GI Joe: Rise of Cobra Discussion and Reviews [SPOILERS]

[Sixthscalemagazine]

That's interesting, I do the same thing. I sort of take what I like from the old cartoon series, comic and file cards and have my own take on things. Probably because, unlike SW for example, there never was one 100% agreed upon "canon".

Guess that's why so many Joe collectors have their own "Joe-verse".

there was never an agreed upon canon for starwars either...

remember the holiday special and the Splinter of the Mind's Eye novel...

 

[quadcent]

cut and post from the last movie you saw thread.
i didn't realize there was even a GI JOE thread

ok just saw GI JOE with my son, and well all i can say is that it was way over the top for me. to much action, to much necro monger, to much darth vaderish, and the special effects just seemed to be almost forced.
if that makes any sense.

i know some others liked it but for me it was a 3/10 at least it was on cheapskate tuesday.

 

[die]

A conversation between me & a buddy of mine (to set the mood...when we were kids, we said we would get Snake-Eyes/Storm Shadow Arishikage clan tattoos when we grew up)


Him: Dude, you saw Gi Joe! Why didn't you call me?!?!

me: You're welcome, trust me.

Him: No way. Please tell me at least Zartan was cool, were his tranformations awesome? Did he have the old school look or was it close to the Devil's Due look or what?

me: You know my Uncle Tony?

Him: The alcoholic with the salt & pepper ceaser cut?

me: That's the one. Just imagine him whistling all the time & trying on other people's caps.

Him: KILL ME NOW.

me:


The reveal of Zartan as the president at the end was lame. They could've saved a bit of the character by having The Commander & Destro getting locked & having Hawk start whistling (revealed as Zartan). It would've been a nice nod to the comics and would set up a 2nd Joe movie alot more convincingly.

 

[DPrime]

there was never an agreed upon canon for starwars either...

What are you talking about? Of course there is - the movies. People may argue about what books/comics/whatever to include but everyone would agree that the movies comprise the core "canon" in the SW universe (well, maybe some would say that the prequels don't count, but at the very least, the OT).

 

[thenammagazine]

What are you talking about? Of course there is - the movies. People may argue about what books/comics/whatever to include but everyone would agree that the movies comprise the core "canon" in the SW universe (well, maybe some would say that the prequels don't count, but at the very least, the OT).

Well, whatever Lucas says is canon is canon whether you like it or not, beit the OT, the PT, the Clone Wars or any of the books, comics, games, etc., in between before or after. And is really entirely irrelevant to the discussion. The film makers and Hasbro marketed this movie directly to the hardcore RAH fans and therein lies the epic fail.

 

[Ra88]

Horribly over the top, but it still managed to be enjoyable. It was at least a fun movie. Very ironic that it was even MORE silly then both Transformer movies and the original GI Joe cartoon though.

I because its just a weak and dismissable reboot in the tradition of Beast Wars and He-Man 2002

Dude, did you seriously just call Beast Wars dismissable? Let me guess, because it had animals instead of vehicles?

 

[thenammagazine]

Dude, did you seriously just call Beast Wars dismissable? Let me guess, because it had animals instead of vehicles?

Well, he does have a point. Turning Optimus Prime into a monkey is pretty on par with what they did with ROC.

 

[Sixthscalemagazine]

What are you talking about? Of course there is - the movies. People may argue about what books/comics/whatever to include but everyone would agree that the movies comprise the core "canon" in the SW universe (well, maybe some would say that the prequels don't count, but at the very least, the OT).

at various times before the prequels the lucas folks declared all sorts of different things to be official canon... and then changed their minds.

when it first aired the holiday special was supposed to be official canon...

so was the romantic stuff between Luke and Leah in Splinter of the minds eye... until lucas decided they were brother and sister and made that book seem pretty creepy and incestuous

so were the ewok movies.

when darkhorse first put out Dark Empire it was promoted in interviews and stuff as being the official canonical sequel to Return of the Jedi...

and then they put out the Heir to the Empire novel and suddenly that one was Canon instead...

Lucas has changed his mind so many times about what is and isn't official canon that it's rendered the entire starwars universe meaningless crap.

 

[piccolodaimaoh]

But I will never collect any paraphanilia from the film; figures or other collectibles, because its just a weak and dismissable reboot in the tradition of Beast Wars and He-Man 2002, and probably the weakest of the three.

Your kidding, right? Let the Beast Wars fans fight that battle considering it wasn't a reboot but the 2002 He-Man was and still remains the best version of He-Man to date. The true spirit of He-Man himself, plus the fact that they actually made MOTU make sense with detailed origins, great battles, and character development that is rarely seen in your typical Saturday cartoon make this the best He-Man series.
I used to think the 1983 MOTU series couldn't be touched then I saw the 2002 series and was proven wrong. They bring everything into balance, from the Snake Men to Hordak to Keldor and King Grayskull himself. I wish this series received a third season because they would have dove into the Horde and possibly given more backstory to the Power of Grayskull.
There is a reason why the first classics figure Mattel made was King Grayskull. Just this fans opinion.

 

[DPrime]

at various times before the prequels the lucas folks declared all sorts of different things to be official canon... and then changed their minds.

when it first aired the holiday special was supposed to be official canon...

so was the romantic stuff between Luke and Leah in Splinter of the minds eye... until lucas decided they were brother and sister and made that book seem pretty creepy and incestuous

so were the ewok movies.

when darkhorse first put out Dark Empire it was promoted in interviews and stuff as being the official canonical sequel to Return of the Jedi...

and then they put out the Heir to the Empire novel and suddenly that one was Canon instead...

Lucas has changed his mind so many times about what is and isn't official canon that it's rendered the entire starwars universe meaningless crap.

Yeah, but my point is, all that other stuff aside, everyone can agree that the movies are canon. That's all I'm saying.

 

[DPrime]

Your kidding, right? Let the Beast Wars fans fight that battle considering it wasn't a reboot but the 2002 He-Man was and still remains the best version of He-Man to date. The true spirit of He-Man himself, plus the fact that they actually made MOTU make sense with detailed origins, great battles, and character development that is rarely seen in your typical Saturday cartoon make this the best He-Man series.
I used to think the 1983 MOTU series couldn't be touched then I saw the 2002 series and was proven wrong. They bring everything into balance, from the Snake Men to Hordak to Keldor and King Grayskull himself. I wish this series received a third season because they would have dove into the Horde and possibly given more backstory to the Power of Grayskull.
There is a reason why the first classics figure Mattel made was King Grayskull. Just this fans opinion.

Agreed 100%.

And Beast Wars was actually a continuation (or prequel, depending on how you take the whole time-travel thing) of TF G1.

 

[DPrime]

Well, whatever Lucas says is canon is canon whether you like it or not, beit the OT, the PT, the Clone Wars or any of the books, comics, games, etc., in between before or after. And is really entirely irrelevant to the discussion. The film makers and Hasbro marketed this movie directly to the hardcore RAH fans and therein lies the epic fail.

Yeah, we got sidetracked a little there, but it is somewhat relevant. Whatever Lucas may decide is/is not canon one day, the films themselves still represent the core of SW canon, whereas GI Joe, as a toy line primarily, never had that. The toys are what's important to me - everything else, including the old comic, cartoon and the new movie, is just extra. I like parts of it all and sort of ignore the stuff I don't. I just don't get worked up about it too much.

And I would have to disagree that they marketed this film directly to the fans. They certainly didn't ignore them completely but this was a mass market film designed to appeal to mass market audiences... And to be quite honest, after going to the Joe Con in Kansas this past weekend and talking about it with several people, I think quite a few of the hard-core RAH fans quite liked it as well.

 

[The Josh]

Your kidding, right? Let the Beast Wars fans fight that battle considering it wasn't a reboot but the 2002 He-Man was and still remains the best version of He-Man to date. The true spirit of He-Man himself, plus the fact that they actually made MOTU make sense with detailed origins, great battles, and character development that is rarely seen in your typical Saturday cartoon make this the best He-Man series.
I used to think the 1983 MOTU series couldn't be touched then I saw the 2002 series and was proven wrong. They bring everything into balance, from the Snake Men to Hordak to Keldor and King Grayskull himself. I wish this series received a third season because they would have dove into the Horde and possibly given more backstory to the Power of Grayskull.
There is a reason why the first classics figure Mattel made was King Grayskull. Just this fans opinion.

The 2002 series was really good I agree. I enjoyed it a lot. However, it still doesn't measure up to the 80's series. @ least for me its not something that can every happen.
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I've talked to several of the young boys here at my school about GI Joe cause I was curious to see how many liked the movie. I haven't run into one yet that didn't think it was awesome. The movie hit the market it was trying to hit and that was kids around the age of 11-12. As far as for me personally I enjoyed it and plan on buying it when it comes out on BR later this year I assume. Its not exact with RAH cartoons when I was a kid but I enjoyed it all the same.

 

[piccolodaimaoh]

The 2002 series was really good I agree. I enjoyed it a lot. However, it still doesn't measure up to the 80's series. @ least for me its not something that can ever happen.[/B

Thank you for bringing that up because I think for a lot of us nothing can measure up to how we saw it when we were kids in the 80's. I know a lot of people feel that way about TMNT. I felt that way until I started to see the DVD releases of shows like Thundercats and MOTU and found that to me they were not as good as I remembered. I found the new He-Man series had great writing, great character development, great background stories and was just better overall. But that's just me, everyone has their own preferences and MOTU past and present is no different.

 

[Khev]

Your kidding, right?

Nope, the 2002 He-Man was poorly drawn anime that didn't look or feel like He-Man to me. Beast Wars was a pretty cool novelty for about two episodes. Both were pretty easily dismissed. That's great if they floated your boat but they certainly didn't do it for me.

 

[thenammagazine]

You guys need to take all this Beast Wars crap to the Aliens & Robots thread where it belongs.

 

[piccolodaimaoh]

You guys need to take all this Beast Wars crap to the Aliens & Robots thread where it belongs.

Sorry, for going off topic. Where were we, oh yeah, Rise of Cobra was better than Revenge of the Fallen, right?

 

[thenammagazine]

Sorry, for going off topic. Where were we, oh yeah, Rise of Cobra was better than Revenge of the Fallen, right?

Kinda like comparing animal scat really.

 

[The Josh]

Thank you for bringing that up because I think for a lot of us nothing can measure up to how we saw it when we were kids in the 80's. I know a lot of people feel that way about TMNT. I felt that way until I started to see the DVD releases of shows like Thundercats and MOTU and found that to me they were not as good as I remembered. I found the new He-Man series had great writing, great character development, great background stories and was just better overall. But that's just me, everyone has their own preferences and MOTU past and present is no different.

I have both series on DVD and have watched it as an adult so I'm not totally phased by my childhood being a factor but it is somewhat thats true. Both though are MOTU and are fun as all get out.

 

[piccolodaimaoh]

I have both series on DVD and have watched it as an adult so I'm not totally phased by my childhood being a factor but it is somewhat thats true. Both though are MOTU and are fun as all get out.

Well said.