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This guy is adamant on why it isn't a tail. Either way, if it is a mouth it really had no bearing on the storyline. At the end of the movie it certainly didn't look like a mouth. It looks gross as hell though.

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The tip of his tail were future Kaiju for him to fight.

Why he would fight them is unknown.

But this movie has quickly become my favorite Godzilla movie surpassing even the original.

It is the Godzilla movie with the least amount of cringe.

Yes even the original had a few silly moments.

Don't get me wrong there is still great enjoyment to be had with most of them but this is the first one I can show my family without being embarrassed lol.

It's like a legitimate movie now.
 
Aside from SFX limitations, how was the original cringeworthy in any way?

I still don't think rivals are coming out of his tail. I don't think we are getting a direct sequel. I think he is taking on numbers with numbers. It would be crazy if parts of his tail will split off into numerous, "lesser" Godzillas and he still was evolving as an unstoppable giant Godzilla at the same time. There would be no point to a sequel.

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You can see remnants of the face even as the little creatures form off it.

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The video I posted just mentioned that it just happened to look like a face. I just wish it was alluded to in the movie.

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Well, i see it as a face and that being how he was able to fire his ray from the tail as well, it's a secondary mounth. I enjoyed the "oh no" moment when the jaw shifted while he was frozen.
 
Well, now I'm spoiled. :lol

There wasn't a screening anywhere near me, so I guess I'm waiting 'till video. I knew I'd get all the details long before then. :wink1:
 
Aside from SFX limitations, how was the original cringeworthy in any way?

I still don't think rivals are coming out of his tail. I don't think we are getting a direct sequel. I think he is taking on numbers with numbers. It would be crazy if parts of his tail will split off into numerous, "lesser" Godzillas and he still was evolving as an unstoppable giant Godzilla at the same time. There would be no point to a sequel.

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Well I didn't say that I cringed with 54 and maybe silly was the wrong choice of word to use.

I just never liked that they succeeded in destroying him at the end, I guess they were getting back at America by doing that?

I think it should've ended with Japan's annihilation and Godzilla walking off to destroy the rest of the world as a full on nuclear war would do, that would've been a much more powerful and horrifying message coming from the Japanese 9 years after the bombs.

Unless they were trying to show that Japan was more honorable than America by having Serizawa take his super weapon to his grave where as America used theirs against humanity.

Don't get me wrong G54 remains right up there with Shin for me.

I take my silly word back lol.
 
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I agree with you on the movie look, unfortunately, the thinness of the teeth makes it a hard design to translate into smaller scale figures. I like X-Plus' rendition on the side, something towards the front just doesn't work for me. I agree this new Bandai didn't hit it either, I just get a better vibe looking at it than X-Plus, I instantly felt something off and wasn't digging X-Plus when it was unveiled.

So far, here's my ranking of ones we've seen.

1. Bandai 25cm *NEW*
2. Banpresto
3. Bandai MMS
4. T's Facto
5. Bandai MKS
6. X-Plus
7. Albatross
8. SEGA
9. Gashapon

Okay, so now I want to know where the SH MonsterArts and NECA Shin figures fit on this list. I admit, #3 really surprised me, but after looking mine over again, it really is a nice little figure. The proportions are great.
 
Well I didn't say that I cringed with 54 and maybe silly was the wrong choice of word to use.

I just never liked that they succeeded in destroying him at the end, I guess they were getting back at America by doing that?

I think it should've ended with Japan's annihilation and Godzilla walking off to destroy the rest of the world as a full on nuclear war would do, that would've been a much more powerful and horrifying message coming from the Japanese 9 years after the bombs.

Unless they were trying to show that Japan was more honorable than American by having Serizawa take his super weapon to his grave where as America used theirs against humanity.

Don't get me wrong G54 remains right up there with Shin for me.

I take my silly word back lol.
Oh ok I thought you meant like puppet Gojira 54 head...but that ish used to terrorize me as a kid. It was like evil sesame street.

I actually like your idea about an ending. It would have been an epic ending for its time.

I guess Japan was trying to spin some optimism. Serizawa's sacrifice had to bring hope. And in a sense it ended a sense of tragedy for Gojira himself, whom for the first time in the entire movie looked a little benevolent as he noticed the divers. While the terror of nuclear war was at its heart, the hope towards the future I think was equally as important.

It adds a duality to the film that I think audiences could have felt for Godzilla even before he'd go on to become such a cinematic legend since nobody knew at the time what an icon he'd become.

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Yeah great point about the "at the moment" duality not being really concerned about his future cinematic status but I don't know if the Japanese in 54 were ready to "feel" sorry for him so that's an interesting angle. I wonder sometimes if some Japanese felt insulted by making him kid friendly, a creature that was meant as a direct correlation to the horrors that the US brought to Japan.

Regarding the effects I have no problems with it, it was great in spots and just ok in others, it is what it is.

What's more important are the actual depiction of the horrors of war just a mere 9 years after the nuclear bombs were dropped as was Godzilla's introduction as the main metaphor being so well handled.

Sure one can be judgemental if they choose to be against the effects of 54 I guess no different than one can be against the cgi in Shin and that's also ok, nothing wrong with comparing it with other movies of its type during that era.

Look at Star Wars 77, that's a movie were the effects far surpassed what anyone thought was possible in that era.

G54 while not at the SW level for its time did a good enough job presenting a large monster that could cause destruction.
 
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I think, partly in due to the black and white tone and the dark quality of the film, that 54 is still one of the best looking japanese godzilla films ever made. The shadows hide potential faults of the fx. Godzilla walked like a deathbringer who didn't have a care in the world outside of punishing mankind. Not all "cartoony" like his later counterparts. Only 54 and 64 (and now shin) were that stoic.

As far as feeling bad for him, I think that existed back then. Professor Yamane himself was sympathetic to the monster so it had to be somewhat relatable to the audience. Though I don't think he saw Godzilla tragically as much as a scientific marvel. The American dubbed version seemed like it had a greater emphasis that Godzilla had to die and the audience had to be happy cause he was a monster and 'Murica lol

I also would surmise that by the time he became kid friendly that the adults were pretty much over him. By ghidorah or monster zero, he was purely entertainment and not so much a message anymore. So I think him being kid friendly was the result of what was happening already.

I think the Gojira puppet head with the glowing eyes behind the giant bird cages is one of the eeriest shots in any kaiju film. I love it.

Those shots of destruction after Godzilla destroyed Tokyo are also some of the most lasting images I've ever seen in a movie. For the budget it was remarkable. The music, the despair, all that death. Movies today show destroyed cities and people dying all the time and it never sinks in like that did for me and imagine being in a Japanese theater in 1954...

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With regard to the discussion of the message behind Gojira and the ending, the whole movie came about from a desire to use film to comment on Hiroshima and nuclear weapons in general. The trouble was, it was so soon after, you couldn't blatantly do that, so a monster movie was used as a vehicle to make the point.

It's a giant anti-nuke message above all. Yes, awakening or creating a monster like Godzilla is far fetched, but in the end, you are tampering with a destructive and terrible force that could lead to unimaginable horrors that destroy the world or make it uninhabitable. Even Serizawa's suicide is a symbol, he stumbled on something that could become the next big weapon, and rather than allow the world to exploit it too, he made sure it would never be used.

I think the idea behind Godzilla's death is symbolic to say, we can overcome this, but the movie closes on a note that all the rebuilding and moving on won't mean anything if mankind continues on it's path and keeps messing with these forces.

Okay, so now I want to know where the SH MonsterArts and NECA Shin figures fit on this list. I admit, #3 really surprised me, but after looking mine over again, it really is a nice little figure. The proportions are great.

I knew I was missing some, it's hard keeping track with so many making them at once, new list :lol

1. Bandai 25cm *NEW*
2. Banpresto
3. SHMA
4. Bandai MMS
5. T's Facto
6. Bandai MKS
7. NECA
8. X-Plus
9. Albatross
10. SEGA
11. Gashapon
 
How would you rate 84/2000/GMK in that stoic category?

Also interesting for me is the emphasis on his hand position in Shin when compared to 54, which is also highlighted here in this untouched photo by a spotlight, that literally looks like Shin's claw like hands!

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I also love that Shin went back to this kind of atomic breath in Shin for the start of it. Hell I even see a little bit of Shin's teeth in this photo!

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In general, I feel like Godzilla films are an outlet to expression the feelings of Japanese citizens as they apply to the times. Monster Zero was like a commentary on the exploration of space, '84 an expression of the nervousness falling in between two powerful countries on the verge of pushing a button to annihalate one another and ultimately take out poor Japan in the middle, Biollante a message of concern regarding the genetic age and what could be brought about.

I think that's what's allowed Godzilla to span such a period of time, the stories often reflect something from the social conscious of the time. I think the less successful movies are ones who lose that. After Biollante, the Heisei series felt mostly like cash grabs, even recycling tried and true foes for the most part.
 
How would you rate 84/2000/GMK in that stoic category?

Also interesting for me is the emphasis on his hand position in Shin when compared to 54, which is also highlighted here in this untouched photo by a spotlight, that literally looks like Shin's claw like hands!

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I also love that Shin went back to this kind of atomic breath in Shin for the start of it. Hell I even see a little bit of Shin's teeth in this photo!

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84 belongs up there with 54 and shin for sure. The 2000 monster is close to that but still felt wildly animal-ish at times. Not like a somber force of destruction but he was a big, territorial animal whose destruction was a result of him needing to feed and flash photography spooked him. Gmk on the other hand is the opposite of 54 in that aspect. He was pure evil and he was even charismatic. He was the Toho-verse Negan lol. He went out of his way to hurt, enjoyed it, and taunted his enemies about it. He had more of an attitude, an arrogance, then any monster I ever seen.

You aren't wrong about 54's similarities to shin (well vice versa). 54 didn't look he made it out if the atomic bomb unscathed. He's not just a huge version of what he was before like the deadly mantis or "them". He looks like something never before seen. His teeth look like he was created by ungodly hands and I love that about 54 and shin.



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In general, I feel like Godzilla films are an outlet to expression the feelings of Japanese citizens as they apply to the times. Monster Zero was like a commentary on the exploration of space, '84 an expression of the nervousness falling in between two powerful countries on the verge of pushing a button to annihalate one another and ultimately take out poor Japan in the middle, Biollante a message of concern regarding the genetic age and what could be brought about.

I think that's what's allowed Godzilla to span such a period of time, the stories often reflect something from the social conscious of the time. I think the less successful movies are ones who lose that. After Biollante, the Heisei series felt mostly like cash grabs, even recycling tried and true foes for the most part.
Absolutely agree. He's timeless in many ways. To you have space travel and aliens in the 60s, spies and anti-pollution themes in the 70s, cold war tensions in the 80s, the fear of genetic irresponsibility and the terminator-ish fear of machines and AI soon after that.

He's become whatever we needed him to be. He's Batman.

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People over at Tohokingdom have been arguing that Shin is very far removed from the origins of Gojira, but when I think about it, new nuclear powers aside, Shin Gojira, in his final form, is pretty much exactly like the '84, so if you think Shin doesn't embody Godzilla, neither does '84.

In Gojira, Godzilla is a rising threat that starts with sinking ships, then makes makes multiple landfalls that progressively grow in destruction, his final being full of unleashing flame and destruction upon Tokyo.

In '84, Godzilla is once again a slow rising threat, first attacking a sub, then making landfall and destroying a nuke plant, finally making full landfall, but, when he does, the majority of his destruction happens while he's being provoked. Military attacks him at sea, lots of flame and destruction. From there, he's just strolling through the land, with some destruction by nature of his size and surroundings, and he attacks a train only when it hits him, then back to strolling around until the military lures him for the test and then Super X comes in and that's the point at which a good chunk of the city is destroyed.

In Shin Gojira, Godzilla is back to a slow rising threat, first a sea creature that caves in a tunnel, then he makes his way into a river causing tsunami level waves flooding and destroying things, then he emerges from the water and destroys mainly due to being an animal trying to survive in a new environment, not maliciously, and when he finally lands in his main form, he's just walking along with things crumbling in his wake or when provoked by the military.

I don't think '84 or Shin lost the idea of being Godzilla, other than taking the purpose/intent out of his actions. In Gojira, he walks around and stops to purposely shoot fire at buildings or smash them. A trait which carried through most of the franchise, but I don't think is the make or break trait of being a faithful depiction of Godzilla.
 
I agree again. Gojira 54, 64 and GMK are the three who seemed to have a desire to kill or destroy things. And maybe I'm even giving 64 too much credit in that sense. He looked angry and he didn't move out of the way from stepping on each other but I think 54 and gmk were the most bloodlusted. 55 probably by nature is the same as 54.

Shin only attacked when provoked. It wasn't clear to me that he was lashing out at enemies at first like Gojira 54 was. But once Shin had to shut that **** down, he did so. His nuclear fire would have made the original 54 movie a whole 12 minute long film lol. He would have made such quick work of Tokyo.

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