Government Evicting Elderly Man For Living "Too Simply"

[karamazov80]

A landlord owns the property, and for someone to rent under the aegis of intending to pay rent, and then ceasing to pay, is an act of force against the landlord. He has a right to retaliatory force (eviction) in that case.

Passive initiations of force are still an initiation of force, and no one has that right.

I don't understand your definition of "force." Are saying that "anything that violates a contract is an act of force?" And that no one has the right to ever do that?

 

[Mesa]

I can't even make it past page 2 of this thread because fear_666 grammar makes me want to vomit. Hasn't this guy ever heard of contractions, or the proper use of (there, their, they're) or (are, our or your, you're).

Seriously, if you're going to post in English for all the internet to see, maybe work on getting your elementary school diploma first.

 

[devilof76]

Americans have been programed to believe that anything other than capitalism is evil. Meanwhile there are dozens of non-capitalist programs in our society that we've embraced wholeheartedly- like public education, public libraries, Social Security, unemployment insurance, Medicaid, Medicare, etc.

It's a riot to hear people scream about the evils of Socialsm then you find out they send their kids to public school, draw a Social Security check every month, or receive a farm subsidy check from the federal government.

Anything other than capitalism is evil.

Anything other than capitalism believes that every member of society is a serf, bound to serve the common good, robbed on principle, and forced to provide for those who work less or for those who do not work at all. Anything other than capitalism is cannibalistic, and historically, has only even been able to subsist at a level of stagnant, borderline mass starvation, where war and poverty are perpetual and unavoidable, and were only ever only stopped when people started thinking for themselves and telling their feudal overseers to drop dead (and helping them along when they didn't listen). The only reason any socialistic, communal system of governance has ever been able to enjoy a modicum of wealth is on account of those freer societies who had discovered that wealth was something that had to be made before it could be plundered or redistributed. No communist utopia has ever existed for long without a capitalist to prop them up. The only things that collectivism has ever been able to achieve are mass murder in the name of the people, or markets in a permanent state of decomposition.

If you think that America, as a concept, as it was conceived by its creators, ever resembled or could resemble the hell that the rest of you have made of the world for the last century (and all but a handful of the centuries prior), or if you think that Her decline has anything to do with anything besides the extent to which She allowed the rotted skulls of European academia (who gave birth to the Russian Revolution, the Third Reich, Southeast Asian Communism, African Socialism, South American Socialism, and Islamic Radicalism) to infect Her culture, or if you think I learned one bit of this in an American school, then you're smoking crack.

 

[devilof76]

I don't understand your definition of "force." Are saying that "anything that violates a contract is an act of force?" And that no one has the right to ever do that?

My definition of "force" is the act of claiming by physical action, that which another has not voluntarily consented to give.

To contract is to formally give that consent, and to define the terms upon which consent is given. For one party to break it without the consent of the other would fall under that definition.

 

[Voorhees27]

*Voorhees enters thread and gets a boner*

Boooooooo to America! Death to America! America the great Satan!

 

[devilof76]

America the great Satan!

 

[karamazov80]

My definition of "force" is the act of claiming by physical action, that which another has not voluntarily consented to give.

To contract is to formally give that consent, and to define the terms upon which consent is given. For one party to break it without the consent of the other would fall under that definition.

So if I bid on an eBay auction, and don't pay, then I'm using force by "claiming" a seller's time and energy required to file a complaint, etc., without him willfully giving it up, right? And he can "use force" against me by "claiming" my status as an eBay member in good standing?

I guess I see that as stretching the concept a bit, since the "claiming" and "physical action" part can apply to almost any situation between two actors (he's "claiming my attention" though I think he's boring and would rather be home watching porn--he's using force against me!). At which point, "force" doesn't really mean anything. There has to be some weight or magnitude to an act to consider it "force" IMO.

 

[Voorhees27]

I'm gonna lead the Royal Canadian Army straight to Capitol Hill and ............... oh wait.

Oh and Canada

 

[karamazov80]

Canadians better watch themselves, IMO. You don't wanna piss America off. . .

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[King Darkness]

Dumb Americans.

 

[Mesa]

alright, l will leave it at that. l am a proud Canadian and would not want to live any were else.you and craw started this by bashing Canada for no reason. so lets get back to the old guy who is getting screwed over.

You should really stop posting in this thread, for the sake of all Canadians. It's spelled "ANYWHERE." I don't even know what "any were" is.

Healthcare system aside, I know I don't want my kids being taught English in the Canadian education system as it seems to have failed you absolutely.

 

[devilof76]

So if I bid on an eBay auction, and don't pay, then I'm using force by "claiming" a seller's time and energy required to file a complaint, etc., without him willfully giving it up, right?

Right.

And he can "use force" against me by "claiming" my status as an eBay member in good standing?

Wrong. You are receiving what you deserve for wasting his time. It is retaliation for the abuse you committed.

I guess I see that as stretching the concept a bit, since the "claiming" and "physical action" part can apply to almost any situation between two actors (he's "claiming my attention" though I think he's boring and would rather be home watching porn--he's using force against me!). At which point, "force" doesn't really mean anything. There has to be some weight or magnitude to an act to consider it "force" IMO.

What matters is the physical fact of the matter. You wasted his energy, which he uses to act in the real world to maintain and enjoy his finite life on Earth. He had only consented to give you that energy based on your implicit promise to pay for what you bid on. You violated that contract, and as remuneration (because no recompense is possible), you receive negative feedback (or you used to; presently ebay offers no course of action for a seller to get satisfaction for being abused by delinquent buyers, and per the seller's agreement to do business on ebay, they waive that option).