Guess you can't honor the American flag during Cinco De Mayo

[hairlesswookiee]

The thing is that is the responsibility of the parents. Honestly as an educator and a parent, its my sincere opinion that schools have no business teaching any kids lessons outside of academics. Most teachers, coaches and admin do it because without the kids wouldn't get it but if kids come to school specifically to be _______s then that is home's responsibility to handle it. The dad of one of the students was on the news anyway said he was outraged and would go straight to the board, so despite it being a life lesson, the kid will just see that daddy complaining will get me out of it because that is what will happen especially with the school district's rep stating publically they disagree with it. I'm telling you when teachers and principals start playing parent things get sticky and often backfire.

I completely get what you're saying and agree with it, but IMO parents these days suck (present company excluded). They let their kids get walk all over them and get away with whatever they want. They're certainly not doing the job in the home, but instead end up making schools glorified day care centers.

 

[LChinoz]

With all the hulabaloo about the horrible Arizona immigration legislation, there might have been increased tension.

 

[lcummins]

well that's one of the theories anyways, but i see what you did there.

Just trying to lighten the mood a bit...

 

[Balsquat]

Without knowing the whole story, that might have been building for weeks, months or even years, how do you know anyone was being a "*******" or a "douche"? That's part of the problem right there... people jump to conclusions and perceptions without knowing everything there is to know... probably what happened at the school as well. If everyone just minded their own business and left others alone, this world would have far fewer problems.

Your right. I don't know the whole story, but I have a real sneaking suspicion I am right. Unless its a common thing for kids to wear american flag shorts, shirts, and bandannas as a group. I can't convince people to see things my way, but I doubt these kids learned anything from this situation and for that, I blame the parents and the techers.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I say we all just chill out, drink a 40, go to Seaworld, and take our pants off.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

no one said don't celebrate the 4th, but ink did say that's all you should celebrate so that's the difference.

I believe everyone here should celebrate July 4th to honor the country you call home. I don't care if people celebrare May 5th ... whatever ... but I don't believe Americans should be expected to observe Mexican independence day, and I don't think Americans should be expected to set their national pride aside on May 5th either.

To suspend a child for wearing an American Flag in an American school due to insensitivity to Mexican independence day is simply ridiculous.

SnakeDoc

 

[The Mike]

This whole thing is just opening a can of worms. Before you know it there will be parents who are going to argue that Cinco de Mayo, St. Patrick's Day, etc should not be celebrated at schools. This is the USA and therefore only US holidays should be celebrated if any at all. Do I agree with this...no. But in this crazy world situations like this seem to make people take extreme measures.

Will never ever happen. Any holiday that can be tied to diversity will not only be allowed to be celebrated but endorsed and encouraged. We have Cinco de Mayo festivities, we had announcements dealing with Kwanzaa in December, Black/Asian/Hispanic history month assemblies all placed on the calendars. What happened at this school is they took PC to the extreme thinking that they'd get a pat on the back is all.

They do have Freedom of Speech... even in school... but that just gives them the right to say what they want... not "when" they want.

Come on Lonnie, don't play semantics. Freedom of Speech doesn't exist in schools. We used to have a teacher who used to give kid's detention under the guise of disruptions for saying Jesus Christ in class. We all used to laugh but its completely legal under the policy of keeping order in the class and because the teacher wasn't dumb enough to try and escalate it so he kept the principal out of it. If the kid's didn't show then they were nailed for missing a detention which a different infraction.

that's the problem with most parents today, they have the unrealistic attitude that the schools take care of everything, and then something like this happens and they get all upity for the school trying to tell their kids how to behave. as i said earlier the whole thing is a lose/lose situation for the school.

Which is why personally I want the schools to stay out of it. Give the kids whatever is the policy already established (all schools have them) and don't go out of their way to be a parent. It always backfires.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

no one said don't celebrate the 4th, but ink did say that's all you should celebrate so that's the difference.

read #1

 

[karamazov80]

By the way, why is uniformity never celebrated? Is it always bad? If we were too pluralistic, no one would follow any rules but their own, we would probably be blowing each other up, etc.

"Diversity is good" is a nice bumper sticker, but the idea has limitations in social and political domains.

 

[LChinoz]

I believe everyone here should celebrate July 4th to honor the country you call home. I don't care if people celebrare May 5th ... whatever ... but I don't believe Americans should be expected to observe Mexican independence day, and I don't think Americans should be expected to set their national pride aside on May 5th either.

To suspend a child for wearing an American Flag in an American school due to insensitivity to Mexican independence day is simply ridiculous.

SnakeDoc

 

[The Mike]

You know Mike...Allot of what you say in theory makes sense...but I can see a change in society and it is not for the better. There was once a time where kids were scared of their teachers and parents. Nowadays, parents and teachers are scared of the kids. Its just not right IMO.

Parents rule the roost. I've seen parents get kids out of suspensions for fighting before under pressure from the district not folding of the principal. For example, we have a dress code policy at our school adopted because kids were claiming colors, stealing other's clothing etc. So its a uniform, now kids can get wavers because of religious purposes but that is the only real caviat. We have a ton of kids out of uniform everyday because they went to the principal and said "I don't want them in it because they don't want to wear it." He said no, then they went downtown to the district office and complained, received the waiver under the excuse "Inhibiting personality and individuality". Since it came from downtown we have to bend over and take it. I can't tell you how many showdowns teachers at my site have with parents whose kids are in trouble for mouthing off something serious and their parents told them to argue and cuss back saying "Don't let anyone tell you what to do or say". Its ridiculous.

I completely get what you're saying and agree with it, but IMO parents these days suck (present company excluded). They let their kids get walk all over them and get away with whatever they want. They're certainly not doing the job in the home, but instead end up making schools glorified day care centers.

Well my kid is only 3 months old so I haven't had a chance to screw him up yet.

Yeah a lot of the time I feel like I'm babysitting especially with some of the screwball parents that show up and argue on their kid's behalf even when the kid is completely in the wrong.

 

[Kuzeh]

I believe everyone here should celebrate July 4th to honor the country you call home. I don't care if people celebrare May 5th ... whatever ... but I don't believe Americans should be expected to observe Mexican independence day, and I don't think Americans should be expected to set their national pride aside on May 5th either.

To suspend a child for wearing an American Flag in an American school due to insensitivity to Mexican independence day is simply ridiculous.

SnakeDoc

Rambling about something you have no clue about...
Priceless...

 

[LChinoz]

^Yea I called him on it too. It is quite funny.

 

[Balsquat]

Parents rule the roost. I've seen parents get kids out of suspensions for fighting before under pressure from the district not folding of the principal. For example, we have a dress code policy at our school adopted because kids were claiming colors, stealing other's clothing etc. So its a uniform, now kids can get wavers because of religious purposes but that is the only real caviat. We have a ton of kids out of uniform everyday because they went to the principal and said "I don't want them in it because they don't want to wear it." He said no, then they went downtown to the district office and complained, received the waiver under the excuse "Inhibiting personality and individuality". Since it came from downtown we have to bend over and take it. I can't tell you how many showdowns teachers at my site have with parents whose kids are in trouble for mouthing off something serious and their parents told them to argue and cuss back saying "Don't let anyone tell you what to do or say". Its ridiculous.
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Absolutely terrible. This is the impression i got from the parents in the video. If everybody's son or daughter is an angel, then who is causing the problems....

 

[jediknight120]

Absolutely terrible. This is the impression i got from the parents in the video. If everybody's son or daughter is an angel, then who is causing the problems....

The answer is always "certainly not MY little angel!"

 

[LChinoz]

 

[hoodonit00]

Yes, but certain behavior should not be tolerated. This is the problem with society. These kids will grow up feeling protected by their parents, and become adults that disregard sensitivity to others and common sense because they know what they can get away with. Maybe a suspension or a swift kick in the butt would teach them a lesson about being smartasses.

To be honest I am just an impartial observer, and I am neither offended or appalled by the situation. Hell I am only 24 and still a youth myself. In the end, these kids will get away with it...Congratz if this is what the youth believe their grandparents thought for...I myself have allot more respect.

What a crock of ____. So it's wrong to be proud of your country? Even if they did wear the clothing to get a rise out of Hispanic students, as long as it's not racist or in poor taste there's nothing wrong with it. I'll be damned if I would punish my kids because of wearing patriotic clothing.

 

[LChinoz]

What a crock of ____. So it's wrong to be proud of your country? Even if they did wear the clothing to get a rise out of Hispanic students, as long as it's not racist or in poor taste there's nothing wrong with it. I'll be damned if I would punish my kids because of wearing patriotic clothing.

You know it is possible these kids don't give a crap about being patriotic, just about stirring trouble with Hispanics on "their day." Just saying.

 

[Balsquat]

What a crock of ____. So it's wrong to be proud of your country? Even if they did wear the clothing to get a rise out of Hispanic students, as long as it's not racist or in poor taste there's nothing wrong with it. I'll be damned if I would punish my kids because of wearing patriotic clothing.

Okay. Your free to raise your kids however you like...

 

[Balsquat]

You know it is possible these kids don't give a crap about being patriotic, just about stirring trouble with Hispanics on "their day." Just saying.