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[a-dev]

Well, Jaime killed the mad king out of compassion for the segments of the city he was going to immolate, so he's always had some 'good' in him. Character arc may not br 100% believable or likely in real life, but for the purposes of the story, it's fine.

Nevertheless I hope they specifically address the shift in his character at some point - such as with the story thread SwedishHeat mentioned. It would be nice to see an explanation even if it's fantasy-based.

 

[a-dev]

Already knocked off Jon Snow. They kill off Bronn....fauk this show.

Perhaps it helps that Bronn dying wouldn't serve any great story-telling purpose. He's not important enough in the scheme of things as even the character might admit. Hopefully that means he's safe

 

[Invictus Sol]

It would be amusing if Bronn ends-up in an exulted position by the end if the show. Hoping the future will be good to him.

Going back to Jaime, it'll be interesting to see what effect the death of his daughter will have on him.

 

[karamazov80]

His initial reaction didn't exactly move me to tears. On the extras segment, the producers were talking more about how Cersei was going to respond than Jaimie.

 

[vareika]

I mean, the act of killing the Lord Commander who has the loyalty of thousands of pretty ferocious wildlings seems a bit stupid. Add to it that everybody has an idea of what they are facing in terms of the white walkers and it's just completely unreasonable for the Night's Watch to betray their commander.
It just doesn't make any sense and seems poor writing to me.

It will be interesting to see what happens next, but the level of intelligence of the show just dropped a notch for me.

Agreed. What do the Night's Watch folks think will happen by killing off Jon Snow? They want to go in an all out war with the wildling, who are now inside of the wall?

 

[meanstreak]

Nothing new to say about Kit Snow, but this is confirmation about other character fates from the finale since the cutaways and editing really liked to be ambigious.

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-Stannis is definitely dead. They thought it'd be gratuitous to show Brienne decapitating him. He had nothing else to live for anyways.

-Myrcella is also dead. This might not actually lead to war with Dorne since Cersei blames Tyrion for sending her away in the first place.

-Trystane gets to be stuck in the lion's den since that boat will still be sailing to King's Landing.

-Sansa and Theon survive that suicidal looking jump.

Game of Thrones Characters Who Are Definitely Dead | Vanity Fair

 

[karamazov80]

Regarding Stannis,

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it really would be hard to understand his motivations for wanting to continue living on. His family dead, his prospects for being king gone and army all dead, his spiritual advisor abandoned him. . .

 

[greygoose]

Regarding Stannis,

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it really would be hard to understand his motivations for wanting to continue living on. His family dead, his prospects for being king gone and army all dead, his spiritual advisor abandoned him. . .

It's a shame how Stannis's story played out. At one point I was really rooting for him but after the the last few episodes; sacrificing his daughter, a suicidal march on Winterfell. It all came crashing down to nothing.

 

[meanstreak]

Yeah, I was rooting for him also for a few episodes before the whole Shireen thing went down.

If the whole Snow scene pans out (which is extremely doubtful, IMO) then the only people left for me to care about are Tyrion, Dany, Sansa, Arya, Brienne and Jaime.

 

[Xenoburger_]

I like Bronn

You all condemn Bronn to death with your words.

 

[Sidewinder]

Why would anyone want to listen to Melisandre considering she got it so wrong with Stannis? She completely believed in him until she heard that half the men had abandoned them during the night. Thankfully Davos helped Robert's ******* son escape otherwise that would have been another useless sacrifice.


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[karamazov80]

I forgot about Robert's *******--the Baratheon line continues!

 

[abake]

Agreed. What do the Night's Watch folks think will happen by killing off Jon Snow? They want to go in an all out war with the wildling, who are now inside of the wall?

Yeah, that's the one single thing that really bothers me plot and story-wise, it's just a very stupid thing to do.

 

[Xenoburger_]

Yeah, that's the one single thing that really bothers me plot and story-wise, it's just a very stupid thing to do.

Same. Whether they like the wildlings or not, they'd have to be mentally retarded to not realize that having them on their side is a much better alternative to them being zombies under the White Walkers' control. I can't believe they'd be stupid enough to kill Jon for that.

 

[evenflow]

Why would anyone want to listen to Melisandre considering she got it so wrong with Stannis?

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Well she is hot and that goes a long way

 

[greygoose]

Same. Whether they like the wildlings or not, they'd have to be mentally retarded to not realize that having them on their side is a much better alternative to them being zombies under the White Walkers' control. I can't believe they'd be stupid enough to kill Jon for that.

Hopefully the White Walkers take them all out first. That should happen at the start of season 6, without Jon there now there's not really a central character to follow and give a **** about.

 

[Sidewinder]

Same. Whether they like the wildlings or not, they'd have to be mentally retarded to not realize that having them on their side is a much better alternative to them being zombies under the White Walkers' control. I can't believe they'd be stupid enough to kill Jon for that.

Half of the Night's Watch didn't like Jon to begin with. Jon only became their leader after the Maester cast his vote for Jon and he's since passed away. Bringing the Wildlings in turned more of the men against Jon and in the end he only had a few supporters left.

Unlike Jon and Sam, many of these men were banished to the wall for crimes. They are untrustworthy to begin with, we saw what happened to Lord Commander Mormont. Would they even stay guarding The Wall now that they know what is coming? They don't have any honour left after murdering their own leader. Would they even keep to their vows or abandon their posts and let Westeros fight for themselves?


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[Solidus]

Good point. There were also the two Night's Watchmen that tried to rape Gilly, and nearly beat Sam to death when he intervened.

They're a disgruntled bunch that need to be kept on a tight leash. With neither Sam or Jon around anymore, I hope that the entire Night's Watch becomes fodder for the White Walkers. They deserve nothing less.

 

[Xenoburger_]

Half of the Night's Watch didn't like Jon to begin with. Jon only became their leader after the Maester cast his vote for Jon and he's since passed away. Bringing the Wildlings in turned more of the men against Jon and in the end he only had a few supporters left.

Unlike Jon and Sam, many of these men were banished to the wall for crimes. They are untrustworthy to begin with, we saw what happened to Lord Commander Mormont. Would they even stay guarding The Wall now that they know what is coming? They don't have any honour left after murdering their own leader. Would they even keep to their vows or abandon their posts and let Westeros fight for themselves?


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That's true, and if they do leave after that I guess that makes sense, but what about that one guy who was up for the Lord Commander position? The first one to stab Jon. I forget his name. He may hate Jon but he's not stupid.

I think the whole thing felt a bit forced for the shock and awe of Jon Snow dying honestly.

 

[MeatHook]

Why would anyone want to listen to Melisandre considering she got it so wrong with Stannis? She completely believed in him until she heard that half the men had abandoned them during the night. Thankfully Davos helped Robert's ******* son escape otherwise that would have been another useless sacrifice.

I think part of the problem is that her sudden escape from Stannis and what was left of his army implied she was a fraud.

I think it has a bit to do with the writing and acting. I don't think Van Houten is a particularly good actress and that was a tough complex scene to sell in a short amount of time. I think what the aim was, was to show that Melissandre realized she got it wrong. There was a "king" to support, but she thought it was Stannis and clearly it was not.

I think the storyline runs pretty simply from here.

If Jon Snow is half Stark/half Targaryen, which would be the practical premise as to why Ned lied to everyone about Jon's real lineage, including King Robert, then that means he's "fireproof" like Dany.

Someone will try to burn him since they burn all the dead to make sure they don't come back, and he will be "born" again as Jon Targaryen. Which fits into the old Maester's talk about let the "boy die, but let the man inside live"

Three Dragons, three riders. Dany, Jon and Tyrion.

One issue that needs to be resolved is to fight the White Walkers, any human army will need a craptastic load of Valyrian steel. Which means the entire arc of the mystery of that culture has to be answered.

Interesting finale, was almost a giant middle finger from the producers to GRRM to finish a book soon.