HBO's Game of Thrones

[Xenoburger_]

"Someone whose last words were "...mommy" before being stabbed to death by his own right-hand man." or something like that.

Yup, united all the north like his father did before him, and just like his father he died, unlike Ned it wasn't for honor but because he fell in love with some exotic girl with no political power. His downfall mirrors that of some great historical figures like Alexander: a young conqueror who made some fatal and avoidable mistakes. Food for fought.

Well Daenerys conquered three cities, freed thousands of slaves, added mercenaries and unsullied to her army, got lots and lots of gold and also dragons with absolutely no right to it. Robb's allies were there because of his family connections. Sure Danny has stumbled upon many hardships but the progress is there, just like Robb she is a great conqueror but kind of a "meh" ruler.

As the late Lord Lannister implied: "Winning and ruling aren't the same thing."

Not sure how speaking "Mother" before you die qualifies one as an *****, but okay.

Robb had more respect for the love of his life than his deal with the soulless and dishonorable Walder Frey.

The only way Tywin could defeat Robb was by doing some sneaky little backhanded ******** because Robb was kicking his *** and embarrassing him on the battlefield. He had no reason to suspect Walder Frey of betraying him as he'd made the marriage deal with Edmure, and his own mother even states at one point that she knows Walder would never hurt her, or something along those lines.

 

[karamazov80]

My thought is that Robb primarily beat himself, and it came down to three things really: 1) following his heart instead of his brains with the wife situation; 2) acting with honor, instead of his brains executing the Karstark and weakening his position among the northern bannermen; and 3) believing in the honor of the Freys, instead of using his brains during the Red Wedding.

In each case, he was a good guy, who lived fairly honorably (beyond his move of agreeing to marry a Frey and then backing out), and had a belief in a system of honor for others--that Karstark shouldn't have killed the Lannister kids, and Frey (and Bolton) should have honored the protection of guests at the wedding. I liked his character a lot, but the message to me was that to survive in this world, you've gotsta use your brains first, and heart and honor second.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

My thought is that Robb primarily beat himself, and it came down to three things really: 1) following his heart instead of his brains with the wife situation; 2) acting with honor, instead of his brains executing the Karstark and weakening his position among the northern bannermen; and 3) believing in the honor of the Freys, instead of using his brains during the Red Wedding.

In each case, he was a good guy, who lived fairly honorably (beyond his move of agreeing to marry a Frey and then backing out), and had a belief in a system of honor for others--that Karstark shouldn't have killed the Lannister kids, and Frey (and Bolton) should have honored the protection of guests at the wedding. I liked his character a lot, but the message to me was that to survive in this world,

you've gotsta use your brains first, and heart and honor second.

where did that get Tywin?

lol, surprised this gif isn't used more often.

 

[karamazov80]

Same situation, really. He died not because he made any grand strategic miscalculations against another family. He underestimated what his pettiness and ego would do to Tyrion. Similar to how Roose Bolton let his ego get in the way regarding Ramsay.

 

[rushmore223]

Knew

Spoiler

Rickon

would be back this episode! Looks a bit too old now though.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

Same situation, really. He died not because he made any grand strategic miscalculations against another family. He underestimated what his pettiness and ego would do to Tyrion. Similar to how Roose Bolton let his ego get in the way regarding Ramsay.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

Great episode, loved Jon Snow dropping the mic at the end.

 

[pixletwin]

 

[karamazov80]

Yeah, this was a good one. Once again, Daenerys was the low point, and more or less a waste of time.

Spoiler

Nice seeing Varys be himself again. I'm very curious to see how the business with the Sparrow turns out. I don't see good things happening to the Tyrell family this season. And I think Cersei will figure out a way to get rid of the Sparrow and the Faith Militant, but in the process I wonder if she can prolong Tommen's life (you've gotta figure he'll be gone in the not-too-distant future, one way or the other). Would have been a bit more interesting to see Arya go on blind. But maybe that experience was enough to finally break her connection to the past. I have a feeling this is going to set her on a path where she is required to kill a beloved family member, and I think she'll at least attempt to do it. I felt bad to see another Dire Wolf killed How many are left now?

Now that Jon isn't committed to the Night's Watch, I wonder if he'll just lead the Wildlings?

Peter Baelish returns next week!

 

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Beautiful episode, big day ahead so I must rest a bit, shall share my thoughts regarding it tomorrow. Again, what a great episode.

 

[rushmore223]

Dire Wolves alive...

Spoiler

Ghost, Nymeria, and Summer.


Aka Jon's, Arya's, and Bran's.

 

[BurningRage]

Another episode with no ****s

 

[pixletwin]

Another episode with no ****s

****s? You want ****s?

I hear Google is a great place to start.

 

[Jaycepticon]

Another episode with no ****s

so you want ****s, eh?

 

[GeneralZodLives]

 

[karamazov80]

The show really has pivoted away from the gratuitous sex and nudity.

 

[imthebestatwhatido]

****ies not withstanding I'm two more episodes from giving up on this series. I no longer enjo watching it. Feels more like I have to watch it rather than want to. The writing feels "off", like I'm watching fan fiction. Just my opinion but I'm almost done.

 

[Spartan Rex]

so you want ****s, eh?

 

[Jess]

dear lord the men, or i mean boys on this forum

you know **** is a thing right? weirdos

 

[karamazov80]

****ies not withstanding I'm two more episodes from giving up on this series. I no longer enjo watching it. Feels more like I have to watch it rather than want to. The writing feels "off", like I'm watching fan fiction. Just my opinion but I'm almost done.

Well I'm assuming the writers of the show are given a lot more freedom now that they've moved past Martin's last written book. So, his stamp probably isn't as clear here as it was in the past. Though he is a creative consultant on the show, and writes an episode a season.