high blood pressure

[Snake Plissken]

"Are you nervous?"

You should of said I'm always comfortable having a piece of metal stuck through my sack skin >_>

They have all different classifications now for BP now like "normal high" and things like that. It's either high or it isn't

 

[Intruder04]

juicing fruits and vegetables is your friend

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I smoke, drink, eat a lot of sugar and red meat, and I have naturally low blood pressure.

But, that's because I'm a nephilim. Not everyone is so lucky.

What's a napthalene?

but do you work out a lot?

cuz i don't

He does. A lot.

My weight fluctuates between 160-165.

Kilos???

I am not thin, or have a nice shape. I won't deny that.
But I am not obese either. I could get in shape and I should probably do some weights....
But I kind of hate working out

Don't go for weight training if you hate it. IMO, cardio should help you a lot too.

hey blackmask, how high is your BP? what is it usually? and are you sure its your BP?

i could think a lot of things that could make you feel light headed and dizzy.

it was something like 147/90 or something like that. well I went to the doctor some weeks ago and described what I had, she said it was the BP. ( I get dizzy and i have this "brain-fog" feeling. kind of feels like when you are getting drunk... kind of. kind of feels like I am in a dream state sometimes)

she ordered some blood tests so I have to go back and see what she says, but from what I told her she said it was BP.

Ooooooohhh....was she hot??

You don't need to work out to exercise your body. Go for a brisk walk daily. Swim. Skate. Cycle. It's all good.

And go see a freakin' doctor instead of putting your concerns to a crowd of people who spend swathes of their free time arguing about the colour of a doll's socks.

Good luck!

It's not a doll

 

[hoodonit00]

Blood pressure lowering medication DOES cause aneurysms. If you do enough research you will know that to be true. If you take enough of it long enough, it can cause aneurysms. My father took it for 25 years, in rather high doses. He did his own research and confirmed with doctors much later than it is known that it causes aneurysms.
The stuff caused the aneurysm that burst and killed my father. Don't tell me you know something about something you know nothing about. You are totally ignorant.

People dropping like flies hmm.. They do die from it.
Blood pressure medication is big business, and if people used diet, they wouldn't need to take it. Sure, it works well in the short term, but long term, it does serious damage to the arteries.

That wasn't an informercial on Youtube. It was a lecture. There was no product being sold.
Dr. Dean Ornish is an M.D. who wrote the book, Dr. Dean Ornish's Program For Reversing Heart Disease: The only program scientifically proven to reverse heart disease without drugs or surgery, over 20 years ago. I read it when it came out. Dr. Ornish is not an infomercial salesman. You clearly know nothing about the man.

Here, learn something...
https://www.pmri.org/dean_ornish.html

"Dean Ornish, MD

Dean Ornish, M.D., is the founder and president of the non-profit Preventive Medicine Research Institute and Clinical Professor of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. Dr. Ornish received his M.D. from the Baylor College of Medicine, was a clinical fellow in medicine at Harvard Medical School, and completed an internship and residency in internal medicine at the Massachusetts General Hospital. He earned a B.A. in Humanities summa cum laude from the University of Texas in Austin, where he gave the baccalaureate address. "

I don't even know why I am doing this. I'm sorry that your father died from an aneurysm but all because he did and he was on blood pressure medication does not mean that no one should take blood pressure medicine. Far more people will benefit from blood pressure medicine than those who will die from aneuryms traced back to blood pressure medicine usage.

There are Millions of people who are on blood pressure medicine. Shouldn't your thought process dictate that there would be Millions of people on blood pressure medication dying of aneurysms? They are not because heart disease and strokes are busy killing Millions of people who would have benefitted from being on blood pressure medicine.

My father had a weakened area in his aorta where it branched in 2 in his abdomen. His cardiologist never took him off of his blood pressure medicine they just kept an eye on the area. He had 2 heart attacks and the medicine kept his blood pressure down. There was never any talk of taking him off. The benefits of lowered blood pressure far outweighed the dangers of a ruptured aneurysm at least in his cardiologist eyes. But what does he know.

 

[devilof76]

The idea that the majority of cardiologists can even function mentally with the burden of all the lives they sacrificed shilling for the pharmecutical corporations, instead of actually working to save the lives of patients who trust them, is so mindnumbingly stupid that people like Ornish should be made to wear signs, publically identifying them as pure, rotten evil. To even attempt putting that kind of lie over on people is unforgivable. He and those like him have blood on their hands. If they're so goddamned heroic, they should have put the drug companies out of business by now. 20 years? Even factoring in FDA approval lag, they'd have owned the market before the first patient was served.

 

[Darth Madden]

yeah sounds similar to what i felt before, so meds are what's good for it? because I heard the medications can affect other things in your body.

Yeah, they can but you have to figure out what works for you because there are a few options. Since mine was so high we had to go kind of aggressive for a bit and now I am starting to do the other things that hopefully will lessen the meds I have to take as well.

 

[hoodonit00]

Yeah, they can but you have to figure out what works for you because there are a few options. Since mine was so high we had to go kind of aggressive for a bit and now I am starting to do the other things that hopefully will lessen the meds I have to take as well.

I have never heard of a bottom number that high. I'm surprised you didn't have a stroke.

 

[crows]

You don't need to work out to exercise your body. Go for a brisk walk daily. Swim. Skate. Cycle. It's all good.

And go see a freakin' doctor instead of putting your concerns to a crowd of people who spend swathes of their free time arguing about the colour of a doll's socks.

Good luck!

I did went, But I have to wait for what the blood work says now

I never said death. I had almost high blood pressure before. My doctor said I am close to getting diabetes if I don't exercise and lose some weight, especially abdominal fat for me.

I also had low vitamin D, something I take now a days, especially in the winter. I also take multi-vitamin once in a while as well.

now that you mention it I also have really low vitamin D. They game me some Vitamin D pills before but it was still low,

 

[Intruder04]

^Hope everything turns out well bro

Is it true that Vit D deficiency causes dizziness? The type that I mentioned?

 

[crows]

^Hope everything turns out well bro

Is it true that Vit D deficiency causes dizziness? The type that I mentioned?

maybe. Maybe that's what's causing my problems

 

[fosing]

You don't need to work out to exercise your body...

you forgot to include masturbation.

I never said death. I had almost high blood pressure before. My doctor said I am close to getting diabetes if I don't exercise and lose some weight, especially abdominal fat for me.

I also had low vitamin D, something I take now a days, especially in the winter. I also take multi-vitamin once in a while as well.

what i meant was you are more likely to develop vascular and heart problems like hypertension from diabetes. not the other way around.



oh, speaking of heart meds....VIAGRA. it was initially intended for hypertension and the likes.lolz

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Had it since my tranplant. Never seems to have bothered me though

 

[Intruder04]

you forgot to include masturbation.

oh, speaking of heart meds....VIAGRA. it was initially intended for hypertension and the likes.lolz

 

[Blackthornone]

So everyone who takes blood pressure meds will get aneurysms?

Most people who take them will get aneurysms?

A large number will get them?

Or, what?

Did you ever study sets in junior high math?

And did you ever wonder why Dr. Ornish's non-product is not sold by cardiologists? Is it because they can make more money off dead people?

Ignorant.

Not everyone who takes blood pressure medication will get aneurysms. Only those who take a big enough dose over a long period of time.
The point is that blood pressure medication is prescribed by doctors as if it was totally safe, and it isn't. Aneurysms weren't mentioned to my father when the meds were given.
If patients were made aware that they couldn't just take the drugs and be ok, and that the only safe way to manage it is diet, patients would be motivated to change their diet because they would understand there is a need. As long as people believe that the drugs are completely safe, most people believe there is no need to change their diet.

"Dr. Ornish's non-product is not sold by cardiologists?" What?
Some cardiologists do recommend his program.

 

[Blackthornone]

I don't even know why I am doing this. I'm sorry that your father died from an aneurysm but all because he did and he was on blood pressure medication does not mean that no one should take blood pressure medicine. Far more people will benefit from blood pressure medicine than those who will die from aneuryms traced back to blood pressure medicine usage.

There are Millions of people who are on blood pressure medicine. Shouldn't your thought process dictate that there would be Millions of people on blood pressure medication dying of aneurysms? They are not because heart disease and strokes are busy killing Millions of people who would have benefitted from being on blood pressure medicine.

My father had a weakened area in his aorta where it branched in 2 in his abdomen. His cardiologist never took him off of his blood pressure medicine they just kept an eye on the area. He had 2 heart attacks and the medicine kept his blood pressure down. There was never any talk of taking him off. The benefits of lowered blood pressure far outweighed the dangers of a ruptured aneurysm at least in his cardiologist eyes. But what does he know.

Thank you. Yes, doctors must weigh the risks of taking the medication and not, and determine which is better. However, all of the info should be given to patients about risks, and diet should be recommended if that is the safest way.
Just because someone is a cardiologist doesn't mean that they know best about heart health or that they are totally competent. They certainly SHOULD, but in the real world, they sometimes don't.
Of course, people SHOULDN'T have cardiovascular disease in this world either, but they do.

There is at least one oncologist I know who saw a woman every 6 months for 10 years to monitor her condition, who didn't have cancer early on, but years later, had stage 4 cancer and had to be told this by her general practitioner because her oncologist couldn't tell. You would say, gee, he's an oncologist, what does he know about detecting cancer to save people's lives?

 

[Blackthornone]

The idea that the majority of cardiologists can even function mentally with the burden of all the lives they sacrificed shilling for the pharmecutical corporations, instead of actually working to save the lives of patients who trust them, is so mindnumbingly stupid that people like Ornish should be made to wear signs, publically identifying them as pure, rotten evil. To even attempt putting that kind of lie over on people is unforgivable. He and those like him have blood on their hands. If they're so goddamned heroic, they should have put the drug companies out of business by now. 20 years? Even factoring in FDA approval lag, they'd have owned the market before the first patient was served.

Ornish's program has been scientifically proven to work. The only evil is in the refusal of some people to admit it, which costs people's lives, and those people who opt to deny that it works and steer people away from it have blood on their hands.

By the way, if you knew about Dr. Ornish, you would know that is isn't steadfastly against drugs or surgery. He advocates a dietary program to reverse cardiovascular disease and monitor progress and adjust medication as it is medically justified.

You act as if he says everyone should immediately stop taking their drugs and eat salads instead.


Wrong.
If you had read his book like I did then you would know all this instead of making assumptions about him. When did he ever say that everyone should stop taking medications immediately? He never did.

I think the real story is that you are afraid more people will actually find out how to be free of disease without drugs, reducing the profits of drug companies and their shareholders, and because you are too stubborn to accept that you are wrong. You have already made blatantly ignorant statements about Dr. Ornish and his true approach to disease.

You don't even know what you are talking about.

 

[teemu]

Ornish's program has been scientifically proven to work. The only evil is in the refusal of some people to admit it, which costs people's lives, and those people who opt to deny that it works and steer people away from it have blood on their hands.

By the way, if you knew about Dr. Ornish, you would know that is isn't steadfastly against drugs or surgery. He advocates a dietary program to reverse cardiovascular disease and monitor progress and adjust medication as it is medically justified.

You act as if he says everyone should immediately stop taking their drugs and eat salads instead.


Wrong.
If you had read his book like I did then you would know all this instead of making assumptions about him. When did he ever say that everyone should stop taking medications immediately? He never did.

I think the real story is that you are afraid more people will actually find out how to be free of disease without drugs, reducing the profits of drug companies and their shareholders, and because you are too stubborn to accept that you are wrong. You have already made blatantly ignorant statements about Dr. Ornish and his true approach to disease.

You don't even know what you are talking about.

good post

It's all part of the mainstream brainwashing to demonize nutrition as being the ultimate factor to heal and cure disease...BIG Pharma (modern day Sorcery of so called medicine today) is ALL about BIG MONEY and they have they no reason to cure anyone.Healthy people make no money for corporations,but sick people make them Billions..just like the Cancer industry is a fraud and has no intention to cure people..All that money poured out/donated and still no cure.It's all about money and always will be.

Drugs do not cure anything,they only cover the symptom and then they will eventually kill you..

 

[The Ween]

Vitamin D is very important! If you're not out in the sun a lot, make sure you take it!

 

[teemu]

Vitamin D is very important! If you're not out in the sun a lot, make sure you take it!

especially in the Winter time when your Vitamin D levels become low in your body from lack of Sun.

Vitamin D is also your Flu Shot (not the unproven man made Gov. **** shot filled with Mercury,Formaldehyde,and thermisol that they sell you at pharmacies) and Vitamin D is just another defense against Cancer and other diseases

 

[devilof76]

Not everyone who takes blood pressure medication will get aneurysms. Only those who take a big enough dose over a long period of time.
The point is that blood pressure medication is prescribed by doctors as if it was totally safe, and it isn't. Aneurysms weren't mentioned to my father when the meds were given.
If patients were made aware that they couldn't just take the drugs and be ok, and that the only safe way to manage it is diet, patients would be motivated to change their diet because they would understand there is a need. As long as people believe that the drugs are completely safe, most people believe there is no need to change their diet.

"Dr. Ornish's non-product is not sold by cardiologists?" What?
Some cardiologists do recommend his program.

People have known that diet is integral to cardiovascular health for a long time.

Any cardiologist that sold diet as the only proper way to deal with high blood pressure would be a fraud. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the way you offer advice.

Ornish's program has been scientifically proven to work. The only evil is in the refusal of some people to admit it, which costs people's lives, and those people who opt to deny that it works and steer people away from it have blood on their hands.

By the way, if you knew about Dr. Ornish, you would know that is isn't steadfastly against drugs or surgery. He advocates a dietary program to reverse cardiovascular disease and monitor progress and adjust medication as it is medically justified.

You act as if he says everyone should immediately stop taking their drugs and eat salads instead.

You're right. I did not know that Dr. Ornish was the person who first determined how diet affects coronary health (basically common knowledge at this point). Since you presented him the way you present the rest of your 'scientists', it was only natural to assume he was just as full of it. You certainly had no problem using his work to present blood pressure drugs as lethal (a gross misrepresentation).

Water is lethal. What of it?

I think the real story is that you are afraid more people will actually find out how to be free of disease without drugs, reducing the profits of drug companies and their shareholders, and because you are too stubborn to accept that you are wrong. You have already made blatantly ignorant statements about Dr. Ornish and his true approach to disease.

I think the real story is that you're ****ing crazy.

good post

It's all part of the mainstream brainwashing to demonize nutrition as being the ultimate factor to heal and cure disease...BIG Pharma (modern day Sorcery of so called medicine today) is ALL about BIG MONEY and they have they no reason to cure anyone.Healthy people make no money for corporations,but sick people make them Billions..just like the Cancer industry is a fraud and has no intention to cure people..All that money poured out/donated and still no cure.It's all about money and always will be.

Drugs do not cure anything,they only cover the symptom and then they will eventually kill you..

Speaking of crazy.

 

[crows]

Vitamin D is very important! If you're not out in the sun a lot, make sure you take it!

I took it but I don't think my body was able to absorb it from the pills or something...
Even after taking the Vit-D it was still low.