high blood pressure

[teemu]

I took it but I don't think my body was able to absorb it from the pills or something...
Even after taking the Vit-D it was still low.

Take Vitamin D in RAW form....NOT in pill form....the body tends to not break down or absorb a pill properly

I recommend Garden of Life- VITAMIN CODE RAW D3 2,000 IU per capsule

 

[devilof76]

You can also drink milk.

Portabella and salmon are also good sources, but nothing beats sunlight.

 

[teemu]

You can also drink milk.

Majority,if not all Milk that you buy in the store is pasturized..meaning they strip away all the essential Vitamins and minerals during the process, which then they ADD the Vitamin D in, which is no different than just taking Vitamin D supplements.

Some people can't drink Milk because of being Lactose intolerant and also Dairy in itself isn't the best when trying to control your Diet.Then,Natural Vitamin D is found in RAW milk (unpasturized) which you cannot buy in the grocery store.

Blackthornone is right,you don't know what you're talking about or you're just ignorant

 

[crows]

how much sunlight?

 

[teemu]

You can also drink milk.

Portabella and salmon are also good sources, but nothing beats sunlight.

correct!

 

[teemu]

how much sunlight?

20 mins daily direct sun light...but definitely as much as you can

It's hard to get full Sun in the Winter which is why you supplement your vitamin D during those times...your should get 2,000-5,000 IU's daily

 

[devilof76]

Blackthornone is right,you don't know what you're talking about or you're just ignorant

I'm ignorant, and I don't know what I'm talking about. My job as an agent of the Illuminati is to make sure as many people as possible never discover the scientifically ironclad truth of supplementation and juicing. I want to see you all die. It's the animating spirit of capitalism. It's the American way.

So don't eat eggs, or fish, or mushrooms, or milk. Buy supplements. Buy lots of them. Support this non-profit, non-capitalist industry and do your part to destroy the Great Satan.

 

[teemu]

I'm ignorant, and I don't know what I'm talking about. My job as an agent of the Illuminati is to make sure as many people as possible never discover the scientifically ironclad truth of supplementation and juicing. I want to see you all die. It's the animating spirit of capitalism. It's the American way.

spoken like a true ELITE

 

[Blackthornone]

You can also drink milk.

Portabella and salmon are also good sources, but nothing beats sunlight.

Vitamin D is only found in milk if the milk is supplemented with vitamin D. Milk is not a good source of D. Better to take a D supplement than to drink milk to get the supplement added to it.
If someone has a deficiency of D, it is doubtful the amount of D that is supplemented in milk is enough to reverse it. It is more a maintenance does than it is a dose to reverse deficiency.
Even so, the supplement of D in the milk is what you want, so why buy a car to get the gas when you can just buy gas?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D

 

[Blackthornone]

20 mins daily direct sun light...but definitely as much as you can

It's hard to get full Sun in the Winter which is why you supplement your vitamin D during those times...your should get 2,000-5,000 IU's daily

20 minutes on your face and arms.

 

[devilof76]

All milk is fortified with vitamin D and the effectiveness of supplements is still debated.

And there is more than just vitamin D in milk. Myself, I'd recommend lots of fish and mushrooms because they have a lot more than vitamin D, unlike a pill.

 

[Blackthornone]

People have known that diet is integral to cardiovascular health for a long time.

Any cardiologist that sold diet as the only proper way to deal with high blood pressure would be a fraud. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the way you offer advice.



You're right. I did not know that Dr. Ornish was the person who first determined how diet affects coronary health (basically common knowledge at this point). Since you presented him the way you present the rest of your 'scientists', it was only natural to assume he was just as full of it. You certainly had no problem using his work to present blood pressure drugs as lethal (a gross misrepresentation).

Water is lethal. What of it?



I think the real story is that you're ****ing crazy.



Speaking of crazy.

I did not use Dr. Ornish's work to present blood pressure drugs as lethal. I used it to show that there was another way to lower blood pressure.

 

[teemu]

All milk is fortified with vitamin D and the effectiveness of supplements is still debated.

FACT-No Vitamin Supplement has ever killed anyone as there has been no reported deaths from vitamins over the last 30 years.

The Pharmaceutical Drug companies have killed over 300,000 people in the past 30 years through their pharma drugs use.

 

[devilof76]

I did not use Dr. Ornish's work to present blood pressure drugs as lethal. I used it to show that there was another way to lower blood pressure.

You presented it as an alternative to a lethal product, which is lethal only when used improperly. What's more, you presented it as though it were universally sufficient to solve blood pressure issues. Blood pressure meds = bad. Dr. Ornish's methods = good.

Oversimplified, and dangerous if taken literally.

 

[Blackthornone]

All milk is fortified with vitamin D and the effectiveness of supplements is still debated.

And there is more than just vitamin D in milk. Myself, I'd recommend lots of fish and mushrooms because they have a lot more than vitamin D, unlike a pill.

Milk is fortified, which means that vitamin D is ADDED to it, and that it is not found naturally in the milk. That is what fortified means. It means supplements are added to it.

On the one hand you recommend something that is supplemented with D as a source of D and on the other you say that vitamin D supplementation is debated. Which is it? Perhaps you really mean that the effectiveness of vitamin D supplements is still debated in your head.

I agree that vitamins are best taken in food form like mushrooms, because it is the most easily used by the body.

 

[Niltusk]

I took it but I don't think my body was able to absorb it from the pills or something...
Even after taking the Vit-D it was still low.

How were your AST/ALTs?

Stay on your Doc about your labs.

 

[Blackthornone]

You presented it as an alternative to a lethal product, which is lethal only when used improperly. What's more, you presented it as though it were universally sufficient to solve blood pressure issues. Blood pressure meds = bad. Dr. Ornish's methods = good.

Oversimplified, and dangerous if taken literally.

It is an alternative to a lethal product. It is difficult to determine WHO will die because of blood pressure medication, but that doesn't change the fact that blood pressure medication can kill people and diet modification does not, and prevents people from needing or having any use for said blood pressure medication.

How do you know diet isn't universally sufficient to control blood pressure? How do you know it isn't just as effective as medication, if not more so and also is completely safe?

 

[devilof76]

Can you recommend any non-lethal alternatives to water? I'd appreciate it. I don't know if I can go another day having to drink such a dangerous substance.

If diet were all it took, then diet would be all it would take. It is not. Declaring that severe coronary disease has no need for medication is a lie.

FACT-No Vitamin Supplement has ever killed anyone as there has been no reported deaths from vitamins over the last 30 years.

The Pharmaceutical Drug companies have killed over 300,000 people in the past 30 years through their pharma drugs use.

Supplements for the most part appear to be useless in healthy people, although they are still fully capable of doing severe harm if used in excess. Their best reputation comes in the form of assisting malnourishment.

Drug companies have saved millions of lives. Suck it up.

 

[Niltusk]

Dr. Ornish came up with the idea of healthy eating as medicine?
Man, Hippocrates is going to be pissed.

 

[Blackthornone]

People have known that diet is integral to cardiovascular health for a long time.

Any cardiologist that sold diet as the only proper way to deal with high blood pressure would be a fraud. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the way you offer advice.

The only proper way to START managing high blood pressure is with diet, because it is safe and effective. The Hippocratic oath says "first do no harm". Dietary modification is the most consistent with that. That means that the recommendation to change diet is the most sound and responsible medical approach.

If drugs truly are needed beyond that, then so be it, but first see what can be done with diet, and THEN use drugs, and when drugs are used in addition to diet, the dosage will be lower, and so it will be safer.