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Financial means are a major factor in facilitating longevity. It's not absolutely necessary, but for it couldn't exist on the scale it does here without a generally solid economic foundation. Availability of quality shelter, clothing, food and medicine are fundamental. Respite from manual labor goes a long way too.
 
Financial means are a major factor in facilitating longevity. It's not absolutely necessary, but for it couldn't exist on the scale it does here without a generally solid economic foundation. Availability of quality shelter, clothing, food and medicine are fundamental. Respite from manual labor goes a long way too.
Junk food isn't quality food, and as far as respite from manual labor, people need more exercise. Obesity in this country has risen considerably in the last 25 years.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States

"Obesity in the United States has been increasingly cited as a major health issue in recent decades. While many industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity rates in the United States are among the highest in the world.[3]

The United States has the second highest rate, behind Mexico, of obesity for large countries.[4] From 13% obesity in 1962, estimates have steadily increased, reaching 19.4% in 1997, 24.5% in 2004,[5] 26.6% in 2007,[6] and 33.8% (adults) and 17% (children) in 2008.[7][8] In 2010, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported higher numbers once more, counting 35.7% of American adults as obese, and 17% of American children.[9]"

Too much respite from manual labor.
 
Did someone say that a sedentary lifestyle unsupported by proper nutrition would lead to living past 100?

This country has the capacity to support the highest number of centenarians in the world. That means it has the highest capacity of any nation in the world to provide for life past 100.

As you said, people are free to reject longer life. That doesn't take away from the achievement of those who don't.
 
Did someone say that a sedentary lifestyle unsupported by proper nutrition would lead to living past 100?

This country has the capacity to support the highest number of centenarians in the world. That means it has the highest capacity of any nation in the world to provide for life past 100.

As you said, people are free to reject longer life. That doesn't take away from the achievement of those who don't.
The question is what lifestyle and diet choices bring about the greatest longevity in any country.
 
Nobody's asking that question. The answer is pretty obvious.

And, for someone so concerned with the issue, I'd think you'd have a better concept of how labor ages people. I guess it's not that obvious.
 
Nobody's asking that question. The answer is pretty obvious.

And, for someone so concerned with the issue, I'd think you'd have a better concept of how labor ages people. I guess it's not that obvious.

We WERE asking that question. Then you said that there are more centenarians in the U.S. without explaining why, or without going into the dietary aspect of health, which is what was being talked about.

If you want to talk about centenarianism, you have to talk about diet in order to understand it.

Really hard labor, as in labor that wears out the body faster than it can be repaired does age people, even in the case of professional athletes.
That said, most people are too inactive, which is the cause of health problems, as opposed to wearing the body out. Most people let themselves waste away out of apathy, not excessive work.
 
Get your lazy *** up!

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I went vegan for health reasons based upon the research I did on health which was largely to avoid cardiovascular disease. Once I learned of the cholesterol issue ans such, I converted. I did not become vegan and then try to find research to support my decision. I researched first and then became vegan after being convinced that it made the most sense to do so.


Which part do you disagree with? To the best of my knowledge, only a number of 150 or lower really guarantees against cardiovascular disease, and the HDL ratio must be higher than the LDL. There are some meat eaters who actually have those numbers. Those meat eaters are rare, but they do exist, whereas if you look at societies, you find that only those with 150 or below as a culture have virtually no heart disease.

By the way, there was a study done on a family with extremely high cholesterol, about 400+ cholesterol, in which people usually dies in their 40's, that started when this girl was in her early teens. In adulthood, she went on a program that raised her alkalinity, which actually brought her cholesterol level down to below 200, with no drugs. Drugs basically didn't work for this family. Their cholesterol was so high, it didn't make a large enough difference to make a significant impact.

Anthony Robbins talked about this in his CD on health in his Get The Edge series.

Acid alkaline balance also has a lot to do with overweight.

More fat in the body acts to buffer acid so it makes people more comfortable to be fat. Once people become more alkaline, they lose weight easily, and it isn't a painful process. It takes 4 parts of alkalinity to neutralize one part of acid, which is why it is so difficult to become less acid.

Here is a link to the first part of the Anthony Robbins program on youtube. Other parts can be accessed from there I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoLYP9F43N0&list=PL0644997F8F056954

There is definitely something to the acid/alkaline thing. I've been on a low acid diet and felt great.


But regarding cholesterol, I will let you make your own choices. This link should make it clear why I disagree:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...making-sense-of-your-cholesterol-numbers.aspx

I don't always agree with Dr. Mercola, but I think this is spot on.

For more info on the subject, research Dr. Stephen Sinatra.


You didn't. It was a rhetorical question.

The drug companies are driven by profit, right? So they need people to be sick to make money, right? So they oppose health on principle, they need doctors to prescribe their 'poison', so why do doctors who are supposed to 'do no harm' opt to kill their patients instead of healing them?

If the doctors' virtue is going to be compromised, doesn't there have to be some kind of incentive to sell their souls?



It is in a way. Drug companies dominate the healthcare markets. They allegedly create barriers (aided by the FDA) to entry for anyone wishing to provide 'safe' medicine.

They have this power because of how much money they're worth, as it allows them to purchase political pull. They can suppress competition by forcing regulation of what their competitors want to sell.



Why is the source of the financing for research important? Does Lipitor not do what it claims to do? Is their research inferior? Are medical students mandated to study only what the universities get kickbacks to shill?

The notion that doctors' greed will override their desire to heal doesn't arise when there's no Satan tempting them with ways to get richer. Put Satan out of business, and what are doctors left with besides their duty to treat those in need of their help?

Again, Doctor's intent is not the question. The question is where they get their information. A person can genuinely believe they are giving the best advice and be dead wrong.

And yes, there is an obvious conflict of interest whenever research is done with a bias.
 
went back to the doctor. don't have diabetes which is what I was worried the most since my eyes are bothering me so much. everything besides the high blood pressure is normal.

I still feel like crap, feel really dizzy, my eyes are f----ed. Im still annoyed about that. Guess Ill go to the eye doctor next....
 
went back to the doctor. don't have diabetes which is what I was worried the most since my eyes are bothering me so much. everything besides the high blood pressure is normal.

I still feel like crap, feel really dizzy, my eyes are f----ed. Im still annoyed about that. Guess Ill go to the eye doctor next....

HBP can affect your eyes, etc.

Do you wear glasses?
 
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There is definitely something to the acid/alkaline thing. I've been on a low acid diet and felt great.


But regarding cholesterol, I will let you make your own choices. This link should make it clear why I disagree:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...making-sense-of-your-cholesterol-numbers.aspx

I don't always agree with Dr. Mercola, but I think this is spot on.

For more info on the subject, research Dr. Stephen Sinatra.

I already mentioned that total cholesterol was not the whole story. It is the HDL to LDL ratio that is more important.

I know what cholesterol does. It is the glue that holds your body together. Even plants contain cholesterol, but because they don't have muscles that move, it is very low. Your body needs cholesterol, and it makes all it needs on it's own.


I don't believe in statin drugs because they causes brain damage and permanent muscle damage. A 60 year old man got brain damaged by statin drugs and it took a week to teach him how to make a sandwich.

The info on cholesterol lowering drugs was very interesting. thank you.
 
HBP can affect your eyes, etc.

Do you wear glasses?

no, my eyes sometimes I feel a pressure behind the eye, and sometimes I feel like..... like if I was dreaming (or drunk) it's hard to explain, it's kind of like a fog combined with eye dizziness...
 
So when diet, etc. do not work to change a patient's bad cholesterol, they should not use statin drugs?

The Dr. Dean Ornish Program has been proven to work without drugs or surgery. Diet DOES work. It's been scientifically proven. The only question is will diet alone take one out of danger in the very short term.
I would not risk permanent brain damage or muscle damage. I would prefer death. Because I would rather be dead than brain damaged or crippled, I would sooner risk a hear attack and use diet and pray I am healthy.
To ME, statins aren't worth the risk.

I would NOT start a vigorous exercise program, because exercise thickens the blood, to prepare the body for clotting, in the event of a cut or bruise. That makes having a clot inside the arteries far more likely, and thus cause a myocardial infarction.
However, I started on the equivalent of the Dr. Dean Ornish reversal diet at age 20, because I saw the writing on the wall. My grandfather had a few heart attacks, and I didn't want that to be me.
 
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So it works all the time, every time?

How high is the risk?

My understanding is that if people follow the program, it works all the time, every time, but it takes a year or two to start really cleaning out the arteries.
On Statins,
As to how high the risk is, you never know if you are the one who will develop it or not. Even if it happens in a small percentage of cases, that is no consolation when you are the one who develops brain damage or have to walk with a cane the rest of your life. They also cause liver damage I think.
There is no guarantee you won't get brain damage from it. Granted, it does happen after years of use from the stories I heard from a cardiologist, but it proves that using statin drugs isn't safe over the long term, and that diet is the way to go.

The Dean Ornish Program is the safest, most effective and inexpensive program I know of long term, and for those rare individuals with genetically high cholesterol, there is the alkalizing approach, that worked when no drug would.
One of the things that is great about the Dr. Dean Ornish program is that it is affordable enough that anyone can do it if only they have the self discipline.
 
If it worked every time, there'd be no market for Lipitor.

I disagree. There are plenty of people who would rather pop a pill than change their diet, follow a regimen or even exercise. That takes effort and at least a little bit of discipline, especially if you're not used to eating healthy, paying attention to the ingredients you ingest or even climbing stairs instead of taking the elevator.

Many people also feel that if a doctor prescribes it, what harm could there be? I've actually heard people say, "Why would the government (FDA) approve something (food or anything) that isn't good/healthy for us?"

More people blindly trust medications and pay little heed to the side effect warnings than you would imagine.

Why diet and exercise when I can take a pill to remedy that? People tend to choose the easiest option.

Alright, my random dive into this thread is done.
 
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