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[Eamon]

Two lines from **** Jones that focus on the corporate corruption theme of Robocop.

"I had a guarantee military sale with ED 209. Renovation program. Spare parts for 25 years. Who cares if it worked or not?"

"Probably just a glitch."

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"Too bad about Kenny. That's life in the big City"

"I am cashing you out Bob"

The whole Directive Four is about how untouchable company CEO's can be. Robocop cannot arrest Jones until he is fired.

 

[Eamon]

I don't think you understand my point. If Verhoeven truly thinks capitalism and greed are a bad thing, yet he is willing to benefit financially from them doesn't that make his position a bit disingenuous.

No it doesn't make him disingenuous.

Anybody who wants to put a message out has to work within the system that exists.

Is James Cameron being disingenuous making an environmental movie given the massive carbon footprint left by a production that big?!

 

[Zodach]

Is James Cameron being disingenuous making an environmental movie given the massive carbon footprint left by a production that big?!

Does the end justify the means

We could debate this all day. All I know is 10 year old me saw Robocop as a cool machine man fighting the bad guys. Political undertones weren't really something I looked for at that age.

 

[Eamon]

Does the end justify the means

We could debate this all day. All I know is 10 year old me saw Robocop as a cool machine man fighting the bad guys. Political undertones weren't really something I looked for at that age.

Well to be fair the only debatable thing is weather people see all the themes or not.

I find I appreciate movies more in my later years when you discover all the nuances that passed you buy.

It's like Ghostbusters. That movie is even more funny and awesome as an adult.

 

[Zodach]

I find I appreciate movies more in my later years when you discover all the nuances that passed you buy.

It really does allow you to appreciate the art of film making as you get older. I loved Robocop as a kid but I have not watched it in the last 15-20 years. It's been a long time. I bet a lot of people watched Robocop in the 80's and left it there.

 

[Eamon]

It really does allow you to appreciate the art of film making as you get older. I loved Robocop as a kid but I have not watched it in the last 15-20 years. It's been a long time. I bet a lot of people watched Robocop in the 80's and left it there.

Oh yeah!!
And when you know that ED209 was some dude moving a model frame by frame and putting in all that hard practicle work, you develop much more respect for older movies that still entertain.

There's so much more going on in Robocop when you watch it with adult eyes.

The Last Action Hero is way better as an adult for instance.

 

[Khev]

You said the adverts were added later yes? Therefore the narritive evolved.

I guess I assumed you meant that "what the movie was about" evolved from one thing into another. Yes of courses nuances here and there undoubtedly evolved over the six year process of concept to finished film.

No! I am asking why a movie that is very critical of America is so popular in America.

My theory is that most Americans don't see that is very critical of America....which is becoming apparent.

Its because the things that RoboCop "criticizes" are the things most Americans agree with. Nobody likes the "**** Joneses" of the world so we sympathize with those who are hurt by them and cheer for those who take them down. Murhpy was an American boy scout and RoboCop himself was technically a "corporate product" that was put to good use.

The notion that "America = bad," "all corporations = bad," "all consumerism = bad" just isn't supported on film or by filmmaker commentary.

There's so much more going on in Robocop when you watch it with adult eyes.

When I saw RoboCop in the theater as a 13 year old in 1987 the scene that horrified me the most was the obliteration of Kenny (which just sounds funny now after so many years of South Park.) Just picturing myself going to some posh office and having something that nasty happen was very disturbing.

But watching it again for the first time in close to 10 years at age 38 and now a husband and father of two I found myself much more connected to the tragedy of Murphy. Wanting to be a good role model for his son, having his family taken away prematurely (and wrongly.) Being "alive" but having NO HOPE of things ever going back the way they were, and yet still doing what's right. Somber and harsh but still inspiring.

 

[Eamon]

The notion that "America = bad," "all corporations = bad," "all consumerism = bad" just isn't supported on film or by filmmaker commentary.

Being critical of something doesn't necessarily mean you think it's evil or bad.

It could just mean you think it needs fixing or improving!

 

[Khev]

Well by definition pretty much every aspect of our country needs improvement somewhere, why do you think anyone would be put off by that?

Do you actually believe that Americans as a whole are painfully sensitive to the slightest criticism? Because if that's the case, as our appreciation for films like RoboCop can attest, we absolutely are not.

 

[Eamon]

Well by definition pretty much every aspect of our country needs improvement somewhere, why do you think anyone would be put off by that?

Do you actually believe that Americans as a whole are painfully sensitive to the slightest criticism? Because if that's the case, as our appreciation for films like RoboCop can attest, we absolutely are not.

I hear ya, though you'll forgive me if I need a little more convincing on that front!

 

[Khev]

Did you just criticize my convincing skills? I hope your country gets nuked.

 

[Eamon]

Just remember, Murphy was Irish!

 

[Khev]

So am I.

 

[RIDDICK]

 

[DiFabio]

However I find it interesting that after Murphy said "I'm not arresting you anymore," he did NOT shoot Clarence. He could have from the other side of the pool if he wanted to. Why did he call his name? Why walk toward him so slowly? Oh I know, "dramatic drawn out movie cliche," BUT given that he's the Christ figure I also see Murphy as pausing to give Boddiker one last chance. What do you want Clarence, salvation or damnation? You're on your death bed here, make the call...."

Fun fact.

In the original script, after saying "I'm not arresting you anymore", Murphy was just going to walk right up to Clarence and bash his face in, resulting in a bloody mess.


Joe was originally going to have a gruesome, ironic death instead of simply being shot up by Murphy and falling over.

 

[Centrocal]

Deep thoughts, with RoboCop :

"... F*#K THE POLICE." -RoboCop












This has been Deep thoughts, with RobCop.

 

[Khev]

Fun Fact: Verhoeven wanted Rutger Hauer or Arnold Schwarzenegger to play Murphy but both men were too broad to wear the already bulky suit.

 

[Eisselmann]

I like how they dumped the springs that connected to the pistons and used joints.

 

[DiFabio]

Fun Fact: Verhoeven wanted Rutger Hauer or Arnold Schwarzenegger to play Murphy but both men were too broad to wear the already bulky suit.

And Michael Ironside.

That'd been pretty weird actually.

 

[Reinhardt]

Truly a brilliant film, which is so much more than just action, special effects, and violence.

One of the great things about the new 2014 Robocop film are the new Hot Toys figures. Now all we need is a Criterion blu-ray dammit!