Hot Toys 1:6 Justice League Figure Speculation

[SilverStar17]

Well I think superhero fatigue is already setting in- all the MCU films are leveling out around the same amount of money- will there be another $700 million domestic hit? I doubt it. Don't count on IW if that is what you're thinking

No, I fully expect IW to drop off. I know I won't be seeing it in theaters.

 

[Underworld54]

I said they should consider releasing a Snyder cut in order to try to get it to $1B. It's clear it won't hit that mark with this version on its own.

It won't hit it with any cut...that's crazy talk.

 

[nexus]

I can't make any kind of a judgement call on this particular movie I see it myself, but it does seem like the Warner executives are meddling way too much for their own good. Yes these are tentpole franchises and the stakes are high, but at some point they need to commit to a production team, a vision and a direction and stick with it. Right now the movies seem suffer from half-baked scripts and no clear roadmap for the universe. I don't know who green lights these stories, but I cannot believe these have been the best they've been able to come up with. Both Suicide Squad and BvS had terrible villains, which apparently carried over to JL''s Steppenwolf. Bringing Whedon over to work his Avengers magic on JL seems to have mostly backfired. At this point everyone can smell the desperation on WB. However to jettison the DCEU would be a huge mistake and a show of disorganization and weakness. I think they should take six months or so to listen to pitches from creative teams as to how they would handle the franchise, building on what's already been created. Those creative teams shouldn't just be the usual blockbuster directors either, but directors who've done smaller flicks and unapologetic comic geeks. I would imagine that from five, six or seven teams at least one pitch should be able to crack it. Then build out a doable roadmap. There should be zero talk of reboot. Instead, they should open up the process to get fans excited by showing off concept art, new costume designs, new heroes, and teasing storylines as things come together. Aquaman is already in the can, and James Wan is a talented director, so hopefully that movie will knock it out of the park. If that happens Wan and Patty Jenkins will have bigger seats at the table. Since there's nothing else on the docket to release in 2018, Warner certainly has time to get their ducks in a row and come up with a strategy forward. And once they have a clear direction they need to announce and start pre-selling it like Disney does with Star Wars.

Anyway, it could be worse. It could be Universal's "Dark Universe".

 

[Chuck72586]

Superman and Batman are new interpretations though; at least for what's been done in film.

And there's still plenty of other ways to bring these characters to life on the big screen. These interpretations don't feel like they've really made a big connection with audiences, but I'm sure there are others that can.

 

[SilverStar17]

And there's still plenty of other ways to bring these characters to life on the big screen. These interpretations don't feel like they've really made a big connection with audiences, but I'm sure there are others that can.

Affleck's portrayal/rendition of Batman has seemed to be widely praised.

 

[nexus]

It will be interesting to see what happens if Affleck walks away from the Batman role. I really liked him in BvS and prefer his take to Bale's Batman. However, Warner may no longer be as desperate to keep him, along with his "will he"/"won't he" drama. I'm not sold on Jake Gyllenhal as a replacement. I do like Cavill and Gadot so hopefully they will stay on. Surprisingly, the pressure is now on Aquaman. If that movie hits between $650-$800M, WB will breathe a huge sigh of relief and both the character and Mamoa will join the elite. If Aquaman "tanks" (and that will be the overused pun) WB will probably put everything on hold for at least a year.

 

[Chuck72586]

Affleck's portrayal/rendition of Batman has seemed to be widely praised.

I think people think he's good, but I think there's also an indifference towards him. Same thing goes for Cavill's Superman as well. I think general audiences think they're both fine, but aren't really invested in them or care about their next adventures.

 

[SilverStar17]

It will be interesting to see what happens if Affleck walks away from the Batman role. I really liked him in BvS and prefer his take to Bale's Batman. However, Warner may no longer be as desperate to keep him, along with his "will he"/"won't he" drama. I'm not sold on Jake Gyllenhal as a replacement. I do like Cavill and Gadot so hopefully they will stay on. Surprisingly, the pressure is now on Aquaman. If that movie hits between $650-$800M, WB will breathe a huge sigh of relief and both the character and Mamoa will join the elite. If Aquaman "tanks" (and that will be the overused pun) WB will probably put everything on hold for at least a year.

When WB did MoS, I believe their intention was to merge the Batman Nolanverse with it and build from there. Had that been the case, it sort of would have been similar to the MCU in which there was already two solo Iron Man films already made before they even got to making solo films of other characters. I think they were sort of hoping Christian Bale would from there just basically be Batman in BvS and then JL films and would come to view the role the way RDJ has viewed the IM role.

In MoS, when the WE satellite got destroyed, it was marked with the Nolanverse WE logo. Not to mention that they tried like hell to get Bale to be Batman in BvS and were quite close to landing him.

I think people think he's good, but I think there's also an indifference towards him. Same thing goes for Cavill's Superman as well. I think general audiences think they're both fine, but aren't really invested in them or care about their next adventures.

I think Affleck's rendition of Batman has been generally met with more praise than Cavill's Superman. People seem to be more divided on the latter than the former.

 

[sj2106]

And there's still plenty of other ways to bring these characters to life on the big screen. These interpretations don't feel like they've really made a big connection with audiences, but I'm sure there are others that can.

Superman's return in this movie hit all the right notes. Even those who didn't like him in the previous two movies thought they got Superman right here. I haven't even seen much criticism of Cavil either, more that he hadn't been given the chance to play the more charming and positive version of the character they wanted to see.

No way WB should re-boot. Make MoS 2 and give us more of what we saw from him in JL. I think critics would like that movie to, the way they did WW.

I don't see them cancelling the Batman after hiring Matt Reeves. They may re-cast but I think that movie is getting made and I have confidence it will be good after seeing his last Apes film.

They got the characters right in JL in spite of the other flaws. Go forward from there but give the directors they hire full creative control. No studio meddling the way they did with SS and JL. I think they should focus on solo movies for now including The Flash before making Flashpoint and JL sequel.

I like the idea of a JL: Doom adaptation when they eventually make another team movie. Batman is often a passenger next to the others with superhuman abilities. At least here he'd have more to do, focus on his detective side and play on the trust between him and the metahuman members of the league.

It would be nice if they dropped the apocalypse world ending theme for a while to. MoS, BvS, WW and JL all had that to some extent and it can get little tedious. Smaller stories can still work just as well, rely on less green screen and still challenge the characters.

 

[Chuck72586]

Superman's return in this movie hit all the right notes. Even those who didn't like him in the previous two movies thought they got Superman right here. I haven't even seen much criticism of Cavil either, more that he hadn't been given the chance to play the more charming and positive version of the character they wanted to see.

No way WB should re-boot. Make MoS 2 and give us more of what we saw from him in JL. I think critics would like that movie to, the way they did WW.

I don't see them cancelling the Batman after hiring Matt Reeves. They may re-cast but I think that movie is getting made and I have confidence it will be good after seeing his last Apes film.

They got the characters right in JL in spite of the other flaws. Go forward from there but give the directors they hire full creative control. No studio meddling the way they did with SS and JL. I think they should focus on solo movies for now including The Flash before making Flashpoint and JL sequel.

I like the idea of a JL: Doom adaptation when they eventually make another team movie. Batman is often a passenger next to the others with superhuman abilities. At least here he'd have more to do, focus on his detective side and play on the trust between him and the metahuman members of the league.

It would be nice if they dropped the apocalypse world ending theme for a while to. MoS, BvS, WW and JL all had that to some extent and it can get little tedious. Smaller stories can still work just as well, rely on less green screen and still challenge the characters.

Like I said in another post, I think people think Cavill is fine, but they're also indifferent towards him. You're right in that he hasn't been criticized, but he hasn't exactly been praised, either, and I just think that's a problem going forward.


We'll see what happens. I know I wouldn't hold my on seeing really a whole lot else from this DCEU besides Aquaman, and Wonder Woman 2. These opening weekend box office numbers are really pretty bad, and WB can't maintain the status quo if they want to fix it. Something has to give, and if WB isn't considering all options going forward then their not doing their jobs.

 

[sj2106]

I just don't think the actors and the characters are the problem, its more the writing and whats happening behind the scenes at WB.

 

[Chuck72586]

I just don't think the actors and the characters are the problem, its more the writing and whats happening behind the scenes at WB.

Absolutely, but unfortunately the actors are sometimes collateral damage if things behind the scenes/crative process didn't go as planned. Cavill absolutely deserved better then what he was given, but it is what it is.

 

[spindrift]

Absolutely, but unfortunately the actors are sometimes collateral damage if things behind the scenes/crative process didn't go as planned. Cavill absolutely deserved better then what he was given, but it is what it is.

Agreed- he must be wondering what's next if anything. WB had better wise up and make a great Superman film with him

 

[spindrift]

Agreed- he must be wondering what's next if anything. WB had better wise up and make a great Superman film with him

I do see WB doing a World's Finest film with Supes teaming up with Flash and maybe one other...

 

[Popnfresh98]

Agreed- he must be wondering what's next if anything. WB had better wise up and make a great Superman film with him

The latest news for Cavill from about a month ago was that the execs were telling him to clear his schedule for the next few years as there will be more cross pollination between films a la the MCU and Supes is going to be in the center of it all as well. I don't think JL will change that, they will probably just stay away from JL 2 and stay on this new direction.

 

[TheBatman]

I really want to see the Red Hood storyline...

 

[sj2106]

The latest news for Cavill from about a month ago was that the execs were telling him to clear his schedule for the next few years as there will be more cross pollination between films a la the MCU and Supes is going to be in the center of it all as well. I don't think JL will change that, they will probably just stay away from JL 2 and stay on this new direction.

I hope so much that is how things play out.

 

[davejames]

I just don't think the actors and the characters are the problem, its more the writing and whats happening behind the scenes at WB.

Agreed, and even most of the negative reviews seemed to acknowledge that the characters had a lot of promise and worked pretty well in the movie. So hopefully WB will take that into consideration and chalk up most of the movie's problems to just the story and execution.

And hopefully they'll also see the potential in this new, revitalized Superman and decide to take a chance on a sequel for him too.

 

[Remy]

I don't think WB will ditch the current DCEU. If they do and then try and reboot it again, I think it'll make them look like ***** even more. That would essentially mean three Superman reboots in a little over a decade. I wouldn't be surprised at that point if critics would be salivating to rip a newly established franchise apart as well; at this point now just to basically troll them just for humor, being that they keep trying and trying and keep wondering where they're going "wrong".

As far as the film, I honestly don't think it strayed too much from being a Snyder-esque film. It still didn't feel MCU to me at all, as the humor really wasn't that corny and wasn't in abundance. While still more family friendly than MoS and BvS, it still didn't quite feel as family friendly as a MCU film to me.

Reviews of the DCEU have really been erratic: too serious, not serious enough, too much CGI, bad CGI, not enough humor, too much humor, get rid of Snyder, bring back Snyder, etc.

Yes, that was my main worry when I heard they brought it whedon. i was worried it's now gonna feel more like avengers than a Snyder movie, and I was glad to see it still retained a Snyder-esque feel to it.

You know, I was thinking there might not be any truth to the rotten tomato comspiracy, but I'm starting to think there is.
Even with a lot of YouTube reviews I've seen, it has overwhelming positive reviews. There is no way it deserves its score.
I have a good feeling though that with all the positive word of mouth, the movie would still do an incredible number at the box office for this holiday weekend.

 

[SilverStar17]

Yes, that was my main worry when I heard they brought it whedon. i was worried it's now gonna feel more like avengers than a Snyder movie, and I was glad to see it still retained a Snyder-esque feel to it.

You know, I was thinking there might not be any truth to the rotten tomato comspiracy, but I'm starting to think there is.
Even with a lot of YouTube reviews I've seen, it has overwhelming positive reviews. There is no way it deserves its score.
I have a good feeling though that with all the positive word of mouth, the movie would still do an incredible number at the box office for this holiday weekend.

Yeah, I personally think the whole "Whedon had a big influence on it" is overhyped. I had that same fear as well (it feeling more like Avengers), but it didn't at all. As I mentioned, it was definitely more family friendly than MoS and BvS, but not as family friendly I feel as a MCU film. The humor wasn't corny and was well placed. Too humorous and corny for this film would have been to have the aircraft that was carrying the JL to the final showdown start playing "it's my birthday" as they were flying there.

Steppenwolf to me felt like a more serious, existential threat than Loki and the Chitauri, and was treated more seriously.

That's what I'm hoping as well, because I really feel it doesn't deserve all the vitriol it's getting. It's currently at an 85% with audiences on RT and I think a 38% with critics. That's a pretty BIG discrepancy. I mean they all watched the same film.