Hmm...Morrison...maybe, but I have another Kilmer performance contender.
I'll be your huckleberry...
Hey played an amazing Morrison! The fact that 90% of the vocals were him singing was impressive!
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Hey played an amazing Morrison! The fact that 90% of the vocals were him singing was impressive!
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Hmm...Morrison...maybe, but I have another Kilmer performance contender.
I'll be your huckleberry...
Greatest performance of his career. i would love a 1/6 scale version of his Doc. So refined, yet a complete badass.
Funny how the direct competition thing that we're so used to in this day and age, with releases like Olympus has Fallen and White House Down, or Oblivion and After Earth, was still around almost two decades ago.
Tombstone was the better one there IMO. Wyatt Earp was on telly here recently and was perhaps the most unnecessarily long and repetitive film I've ever seen.
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Tombstone is still one of my favorite movies and i really enjoyed how Val played Doc Holiday.
VintijDroidGutzz
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His portrayal of Jim Morrison trumps anything else he's done - for me.. & it deserves a ton more credit than it gets. 
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He was great in The Doors. My own personal bias dictates that I like Holliday better, though. I think he's another case just like Clooney, he would've been a great Batman under proper direction in a film with a good script. I even think he was one of the highlights of Forever, as it was.
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I haven't watched BF in at least 15 years.
I just prefer to remember Nicole Kidman being smoking hot, & Jim Carrey showing everyone else up.
I just prefer to remember Nicole Kidman being smoking hot, & Jim Carrey showing everyone else up.
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I haven't watched BF in at least 15 years.
I just prefer to remember Nicole Kidman being smoking hot, & Jim Carrey showing everyone else up.
I just watched Forever recently. First time since I saw it in the theaters when it released. Somehow, I enjoyed it much less than Batman & Robin. Maybe because B&R is so bad it's good. Forever isn't campy enough to be silly and not serious enough. It's sort of in a Batman purgatory for me.
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I think Kilmer is the weakest actor to play either Bruce or Batman personally. He just didn't convince me as either character. Clooney was stuck in a **** film but I sort of bought him as Bruce Wayne.
I do still like certain elements of Batman Forever though and stand by my opinion that it has the best story of the Burton/Schumacher films
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I don't know, I liked him. I don't think he was a good Bruce Wayne, but he did a good job under the cowl.
I'll just say as a writer myself, and compared to tdkr, a story that fully includes catwoman along with another villain that explores both heavily is pretty hard to do but I thought burton pulled it off pretty well. Nobody was wasted. He even had Shrek in there too
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Returns is the best of the original Batman series. It is also my favorite. Forever is just a mess. Carey and Jones doing The Joker impersonating other villains. The goofy way everything is lit. And don't get me started on 35 year old Robin. Plus Schumacher managed to screw up simple plot elements like Harvey flipping his coin.
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Still doesn't make up for being a terrible Batman movie and really not even a very good film in general. I don't think because it had a lot of characters it was good. The movie (like both Burton films) didn't even feel like a Batman film but a movie focused on the villains. Plus the story to me had a lot of stupid ideas. Penguin running for mayor and the people of Gotham seemingly rallying behind him was preposterous. If anything that story would have made way more sense if Shreck was running for mayor with Penguin pulling the strings behind the scenes. Also didn't like how they made Catwoman/Selina have supernatural elements to her character. To me Batman Returns is an example of a movie being overly stylized but overall being a pretty crap movie when it comes down to it. I used to think it was good but I can see now that nostalgia was clouding the fact it really isn't very good.
Batman Forever while by no means perfect at least felt somewhat like a Batman film. Yeah it was campy and there were some things in it that could have been done better but it was nice to for once have a movie focusing on the psyche Bruce/Batman rather than essentially having him there just because the movies were set in his universe (which to me is what the Burton films both felt like). Also I thought Chris O'Donnell did okay for what he was given in his role of Grayson/Robin.
Batman Forever while by no means perfect at least felt somewhat like a Batman film. Yeah it was campy and there were some things in it that could have been done better but it was nice to for once have a movie focusing on the psyche Bruce/Batman rather than essentially having him there just because the movies were set in his universe (which to me is what the Burton films both felt like). Also I thought Chris O'Donnell did okay for what he was given in his role of Grayson/Robin.
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Penguin has run for mayor of Gotham in the comics. Hell in Geoff Johns version(Earth One) he is the mayor. Of all the Gotham rougues he's really the only one that could pull off that storyline(maybe Nigma). Selnia and the 9 lives things has been done in the comics too. Never so overtly, but hinted at. Forever is way more as nonsensical. Harvey in Wayne Manor flips his coin to decide if he shoots Bruce. When it lands good side up, he keeps flipping it until he gets the result he wants. That's so out of whack with the character it's not even funny. Robin being a grown man, makes no sense from a basic storypoint. Why would he need to stay with Bruce. He's old enough to decide to stay in Gotham if he wants.
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But in the movie the way it was done was stupid. Penguin's some grimey, creepy looking dude who rose out of the sewers. The character essentially seems shady from the get go even if he is somewhat sympathetic with his sob story. It just seemed like such a stretch to me that the whole idea of Gotham's citizens getting behind him was ridiculous. Comic Penguin is in no way even like that. Comic Penguin is just a guy with a big nose who was made fun of as a kid and had an affliction for birds. In the comics he's actually a clever businessman so yes that would make sense. In Batman Returns it seemed way far fetched (even for a comic book movie).
I never was really into the idea of Selina being a supernatural type in the comics either though so that's just me maybe. Although I don't really ever remember a story where she was that over the top and basically able to survive after going through things that should have killed her in the comics either. I could be wrong though. The way it was done on screen just didn't translate well for me.
I agree with some of what you said about Batman Forever too don't get me wrong. The whole Robin living with Bruce was sort of dumb and I really didn't like the way Two Face was handled as he essentially was The Riddler's *****. I mostly like the film for being a movie that seems about Batman though. Some of The Riddler stuff wasn't bad either. Yes it was over the top and it seemed like Carrey was trying to emulate Jack's Joker but I really didn't mind him.
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Few question fellas, I can't remember but is the baman returnt suit the same as the original batman? Second one is, when so you guys think HT going to announce penguin and Catwoman?
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When I read "
The 1/6th and 1/4th scale Collectible Figures will be launched in late 2012. Please stay tuned!"
It pisses me off. I am only hoping the SDCC will bring images. If not I am bring out the pitchforks and torches and making this forum black and white!!!
The 1/6th and 1/4th scale Collectible Figures will be launched in late 2012. Please stay tuned!"
It pisses me off. I am only hoping the SDCC will bring images. If not I am bring out the pitchforks and torches and making this forum black and white!!!
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