Hot Toys - MMS - Ironman - Ironman Mk II Diecast Collectible Figure

[yacobschlomo]

Nope, it’s just edited to look that way. I measured them on screen. The mark IV is clearly taller. You can tell just by looking at him also.

Not following. That's the scene you pointed to. Are you saying the filmmakers edited it so they look the same height? If so, wouldn't that mean the intent is for them to be the same height? What about when Rhodey and Stark were standing face to face before their fight?

 

[Subdomain]

I’m saying they edited the position of their heads and the position of the hall of armor to make them line up more or less. You can physically measure them from head to toe on screen and see there is a huge difference in height. I can also tell just by looking but I guess a lot of you are seeing what you want to see.

Rhodey probably wore a different version of the suit which was indeed taller.

 

[Dave_W]

I guess a lot of you are seeing what you want to see.

I guess we're not the only ones. I don't know why this bothers me so much...maybe I've been on social media too much recently.

Well this is on screen and i find it very hard to see 'a huge difference'. If we're measuring actual pixels then the mark 2/3 are indeed slightly shorter but then there's also a matter of the curved HoA making the mark 4 slightly closer.

 

[bedot]

I don’t understand why the height difference from the Mark II to Mark IV/V/VI is such a big deal. From that pic above anyway, the Mark IV very well could be 3 inches taller which accounts for 1/2 inch in sixth scale form.

HT just didn’t want to use a completely new mold for the Mark II vs Mark III. It would have been a waste of resources for something that isn’t even off by more than a quarter inch.


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[yacobschlomo]

For some of us, it may be a big deal as it's not movie accurate. You can see from scenes in the movie, especially the hall of armor from both iron man 2 and 3, that the figures are around the same height. If i am paying $350 for a figure, i would prefer that the company making it not consider it being a waste of resources to make it as movie accurate as possible. I've purchased 90%+ of the Iron Man figures Hot Toys has made. They've knocked most of those out of the park, continuously improving on the design. With this figure being one exception where they've reused a much older mold and have kept the height unchanged from a figure probably 8 years old now, while the other figures half seen significant increases in height. A hall of armor would have been my ultimate setup, but the extreme height difference would bug me too much to display it that way.

 

[yacobschlomo]

I’m saying they edited the position of their heads and the position of the hall of armor to make them line up more or less. You can physically measure them from head to toe on screen and see there is a huge difference in height. I can also tell just by looking but I guess a lot of you are seeing what you want to see.

Rhodey probably wore a different version of the suit which was indeed taller.

We're seeing what the filmmakers intended us to see.

 

[hokietwo]

For some of us, it may be a big deal as it's not movie accurate. You can see from scenes in the movie, especially the hall of armor from both iron man 2 and 3, that the figures are around the same height. If i am paying $350 for a figure, i would prefer that the company making it not consider it being a waste of resources to make it as movie accurate as possible. I've purchased 90%+ of the Iron Man figures Hot Toys has made. They've knocked most of those out of the park, continuously improving on the design. With this figure being one exception where they've reused a much older mold and have kept the height unchanged from a figure probably 8 years old now, while the other figures half seen significant increases in height. A hall of armor would have been my ultimate setup, but the extreme height difference would bug me too much to display it that way.

I own every single armor HT has ever issued ( except the Pepsi Mark VI) and if they changed the Mark II to be taller I would be miffed more. For movie continuity he just added paint to the II to be III. How stupid now would it look if Mark II matched the IV in height and in a hall of armor there would be a peak and valley between the II and IV.

That is unfortunately a sin they needed to carry with them by deciding to make the Mark III diecast reissue as short as they did.

 

[bmcd1985]

The other thing that doesn't help is the way the suits themselves are designed. If you look, the gold of the legs on the 4 are higher, the arc reactor sits higher in the design and the overall structure of the suit lends itself to visually stretching itself.

 

[yacobschlomo]

I own every single armor HT has ever issued ( except the Pepsi Mark VI), and if they changed the Mark II to be taller I would be miffed more. For movie continuity he just added paint to the II to be III. How stupid now would it look if Mark II matched the IV in height and in a hall of armor there would be a peak and valley between the II and IV.

That is unfortunately a sin they needed to carry with them by deciding to make the Mark III diecast reissue as short as they did.

my issue is not restricted to the II. I would have preferred they upgraded the II and then use that to make a more accurate III. An update may piss some people off, but it's been over 4 years since the III came out. Now that they've doubled down on what they did, we won't be getting an accurate hall of armor any time soon from Hot Toys.

 

[Raikirik]

I own every single armor HT has ever issued ( except the Pepsi Mark VI), and if they changed the Mark II to be taller I would be miffed more. For movie continuity he just added paint to the II to be III. How stupid now would it look if Mark II matched the IV in height and in a hall of armor there would be a peak and valley between the II and IV.

That is unfortunately a sin they needed to carry with them by deciding to make the Mark III diecast reissue as short as they did.

Just wondering, which do you think look better in the HoA, the originals or the DC releases?

 

[hokietwo]

The diecast by far but the HOA needs about a 1/2 inch added in height now but that’s apparently not going to happen. There is no comparison though for which looks better.

 

[hokietwo]

my issue is not restricted to the II. I would have preferred they upgraded the II and then use that to make a more accurate III. An update may piss some people off, but it's been over 4 years since the III came out. Now that they've doubled down on what they did, we won't be getting an accurate hall of armor any time soon from Hot Toys.

You are definitely more critical than most grading the accuracy. I am happy they went back and fixed most the short comings of the originals. Having stared at the HOA with the old plastic version as for 4 years I guess I appreciate the entire offering and what they came back around to fix proportionally on everything as a whole.

Obviously you pay the coin and have the opinion of it but “accurate” is relative to how much of a hard stance one takes. Would I love a taller II and III? Sure, but I am not throwing out the baby with what we have received from the re-releases. The IV,V,VI and impending VII are beautiful and I’m really happy to have them in the bays.

 

[yacobschlomo]

I feel like you're discussing something completely different. Do I appreciate the Hot Toys Iron Man offering and the amazing job they've done overall? Yes, that's why I have 50 Iron Man figures. I've stated that Hot Toys has done an amazing job and has made significant advancements and improvements to their figures.

What I was discussing was the statement another poster had made about the Mark IV being almost a full head taller than the Mark II in the Iron Man 2 HOA scene. When in fact, every time we see them in the HOA, they are the same height. There is no hard stance there on accuracy - it is what is it. You can always display them separately like I do now and they look great. But that's a different discussion than whether or not they should be significantly different in height like they are.

Hot Toys will sometimes cut corners and I feel like that's the case a bit with the II and III. And as you've pointed out the HOA bays should have been made a bit taller as well, but they've reused the same mold as the original even though most of the Iron Man figures are much taller now.

 

[hokietwo]

I feel like you're discussing something completely different. Do I appreciate the Hot Toys Iron Man offering and the amazing job they've done overall? Yes, that's why I have 50 Iron Man figures. I've stated that Hot Toys has done an amazing job and has made significant advancements and improvements to their figures.

What I was discussing was the statement another poster had made about the Mark IV being almost a full head taller than the Mark II in the Iron Man 2 HOA scene. When in fact, every time we see them in the HOA, they are the same height. There is no hard stance there on accuracy - it is what is it. You can always display them separately like I do now and they look great. But that's a different discussion than whether or not they should be significantly different in height like they are.

Hot Toys will sometimes cut corners and I feel like that's the case a bit with the II and III. And as you've pointed out the HOA bays should have been made a bit taller as well, but they've reused the same mold as the original even though most of the Iron Man figures are much taller now.

They are not all the same. The fact Robert Downey Jr. is 5’9 in high heels should drive you nuts, cause the 6’4 iron man he should be would snap his ankles apart getting into the suit.

You can see the Mark VII is taller than the VI below, compare the shoulders. Let me dig because I have pics of the real life Hall of Armor and the II and III are shorter than the rest.

 

[yacobschlomo]

okay. i won't belabor the point. this is still a good figure and people should be happy if they have it. i'll just post pictures from the two movies, disneyland displays, and comicons and people can decide for themselves if the IV is significantly taller than the Mark II.

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[blinguskahn]

I was going to just keep my mouth shut but damn, there’s some OCD people in this thread. And while I believe that criticism and being picky for any screen accurate collectible is healthy, these are just 1/6 figures that require some comprise in order to allow articulation. Look, I do get that the major discussion has been height and the old but updated from the painfully bad mold(s) from the Mk. III (which honestly needs another re-re-re-release) that omitted some features that could have given people the option to get a bit more height or stick with the Mk. I-III HT height.

I’m a huge IM collector and am honestly more concerned with the height of the inevitable Mk. I diecast. If they make the Mk. I 3.0 taller than the Mk. II & III, then the HoA display is going to look even worse than what the OCD’ers are complaining about now.

 

[hokietwo]

Yeah I think they are going to make the Mark I be a giant beast. His big ass is going to have to squeeze into the bay for width. His hands will touch the walls.

 

[yacobschlomo]

So the discussion goes from - "Mark IV is almost a full head taller than Mark II" to "they are actually similar height in the movies" to "OCD'ers are complaining..." while admitting there are some height issues and poor decision on Hot Toys part...

Okay, I apologize for countering an inaccurate statement and continuing the discussion. I'll see my way out of the thread.

 

[hokietwo]

This same discussion happens every time a main Mark suit comes out and will only get worse and more frequent now with the HOA reissue. Some just tire from seeing the same arguement about height and the dollie vitriol that comes out. It’s ok to have a position, just don’t beat others over the head with it. We’re are on a toy board and the vast majority of folks come in for escape not to bog down threads to argue screen accuracy. It never ends well and typically gets Mod cleanup on aisle 9.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

The height conundrum of the diecast armors doesn't bother me as much as a lot of people, I appreciate them for what they are. But it doesn't bother me when others push for extreme accuracy either. I do find it interesting that so many people dislike the short 2 and 3, but almost nobody seems to care that the 5 is just as oversized.