Hot Toys - QS002 - The Terminator: 1/4th scale Endoskeleton Collectible Figure

[giant monster]

Cool!

 

[r5150s]

I completely respect P.'s pursuit of perfection. He's the "intothevoid" of Terminator, and has some of the best, most insanely detailed customs I've seen from those movies.

But you've gotta understand that the vast majority of people just don't have the energy or interest in focusing too much on the minutiae. It looks great. It's close enough to maintain the essence of the Endoskeleton that most fans want on their shelves. It's got little to do with knowledge. An easier thing to recognize is when actors' likenesses are off. It happens all the time, but people accept it as good enough and enjoy the figures. Same thing here. We've all got a different threshold, but best to live and let live man. HT have never been known for 100% accuracy with robots and aliens. Considering that, it's unrealistic to expect otherwise.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Toy or not, I don't have unlimited funds, so I have to choose carefully what I want, and when I decide, it is usually for the piece that is the most accurate to what it represents. If the piece shown is inaccurate in some way and it's still in the developmental stage, pointing out the inaccuracies may result in tweaking - like we saw with the Chris Reeve Superman head sculpt and others.

I'm very particular and if the licensed companies don't deliver what I want, I set about making it myself or commission someone to do it accurately. Sure, it may cost more, but in the end I get what I want, rather than having to settle for something I know will annoy me continually. I wish I had the enthusiasm as some people here and could just buy almost unquestionably and be happy... but that's sadly not how I'm wired. However, I'm sorry that I've dumped on the enthusiasm of others just because I'd prefer something more accurate - at least in terms of proportions, as I'm able to live with the other inaccuracies, such as this being a T2 rather than T1... but the proportions just bug me when compared to the full size endoskeletons.

 

[Butters]

If the piece shown is inaccurate in some way and it's still in the developmental stage, pointing out the inaccuracies may result in tweaking - like we saw with the Chris Reeve Superman head sculpt and others.

I'm sorry that I've dumped on the enthusiasm of others just because I'd prefer something more accurate - at least in terms of proportions, as I'm able to live with the other inaccuracies, such as this being a T2 rather than T1... but the proportions just bug me when compared to the full size endoskeletons.

What inaccuracies would you like HT to rectify for you?

Would you please explain why you think that this isn't a T1 endo?

What are the design differences between the T1 and T2 endoskeletons?

 

[EndoSickness]

What inaccuracies would you like HT to rectify for you?

Would you please explain why you think that this isn't a T1 endo?

What are the design differences between the T1 and T2 endoskeletons?

He clarified several times what the differences are.
What is your problem?!

You on the other hand have done nothing to clarify why "your" T1 Endoskeleton is clearly one...

 

[Butters]

I'm not the one with a problem. HT has made a T1 endo as far as I'm concerned. I don't see what else they could do to make it more T1 than it is now.

You can answer, too!

What inaccuracies would you like HT to rectify for you?

Would you please explain why you think that this isn't a T1 endo?

What are the design differences between the T1 and T2 endoskeletons?

Simple questions for people with all the answers...

 

[EndoSickness]

The Hands are clearly different, Garlic showed this in diifferent pictures.

Knees...the T1 has NO kneecaps...non whatsoever,

Subject regarding the hands too: The thumb is articilated otherwise.

And those are only 3 points...

 

[Butters]

Not sure what you're talking about, man.

 

[EndoSickness]

Not sure what you're talking about, man.

Not sure or WON´T you simply not understand.

They´re pics posted over and over that clearly showed the differences.

When you don´t see this...how should I make it clear for you, if you simply don´t want to understand.

Just try to compare the famed shot of the T-800 arm from T2, with the actual still of him trying to grab Sarah in T1 and have a REAL look at the joints.

It´s small...BUT T1.

 

[a-dev]

Butters stop asking them to prove their case when you seem determined to disagree from the outset. They have posted their evidence, you either missed it or you disregarded it. If you do care this much go back and re-examine it.

 

[Rotfish]

Butters stop asking them to prove their case when you seem determined to disagree from the outset. They have posted their evidence, you either missed it or you disregarded it. If you do care this much go back and re-examine it.

Tell it not to be wet, why don't you?

 

[greygoose]

 

[Centurion]

 

[Butters]

Butters stop asking them to prove their case when you seem determined to disagree from the outset. They have posted their evidence, you either missed it or you disregarded it. If you do care this much go back and re-examine it.

You don't have to be a part of it if you don't have anything of value to contribute. I actually agree with most of the points being made, even more now that I've had a good look at things. There hasn't been anything compelling mentioned that would make me consider cancelling so far, though. I'm more concerned that the prototype doesn't appear to have the shoulder articulation that the T-600 has more than anything. Some high-resolution photos of the final product would be nice...

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[a-dev]

You don't have to be a part of it if you don't have anything of value to contribute. I actually agree with most of the points being made, even more now that I've had a good look at things. There hasn't been anything compelling mentioned that would make me consider cancelling so far, though. I'm more concerned that the prototype doesn't appear to have the shoulder articulation that the T-600 has more than anything. Some high-resolution photos of the final product would be nice...

Up until this post you hadn't given the impression of being persuaded by anything they've posted. It seemed to me like you were just baiting them into posting more comparison photos etc for the sole purpose of dismissing them as OCD etc.

No, (if I had it on order) I certainly wouldn't cancel. Agreed on the shoulder articulation too, its disappointing if they didn't carry that up to 1:4, surely it should have been possible since they did it at 1:6 with the T-600 without problems..

 

[Butters]

The things you see and think whilst on the internets, huh??

It would be a real head scratcher for me if HT didn't include that extra articulation. These will probably be the only articulated 1/4 pieces I buy. I got into 1/6 because of the super detailed miniaturization aspect of it all.

 

[greygoose]

Haha, you know how much I love the hate goose.

 

[Rotfish]

They might be holding back on the shoulder articulation to stay true to the design of the character. With the T-600, that shoulder was built for the movie in such a way that they could sneak in a balljoint without anyone noticing (or the original design itself used a balljoint -- either explanation works). It might be too tricky to try forcing it onto this one, though. You don't have that little panel over the top of the shoulder to partially mask what's going on and the shape of the shoulder is different (T-600's is round, so it lends itself better to a balljoint).

Check out that area here:

And then here:

Very different-looking shoulder -- and you can bet some purists will be pissed if HT's attempt to force a more flexible joint accidentally compromises accuracy.

 

[Centurion]

Haha, you know how much I love the hate goose.

This should be your avatar.

 

[EndoSickness]

They might be holding back on the shoulder articulation to stay true to the design of the character. With the T-600, that shoulder was built for the movie in such a way that they could sneak in a balljoint without anyone noticing (or the original design itself used a balljoint -- either explanation works). It might be too tricky to try forcing it onto this one, though. You don't have that little panel over the top of the shoulder to partially mask what's going on and the shape of the shoulder is different (T-600's is round, so it lends itself better to a balljoint).

Check out that area here:

And then here:

Very different-looking shoulder -- and you can bet some purists will be pissed if HT's attempt to force a more flexible joint accidentally compromises accuracy.

Blade we´re not talking about the shoulder "joint", only, but about the WHOLE shoulder to move as on the 600.

Means: the shoulder in 360° + the pistons MUST move and they´re there. So should be no problem.

Did you see the shoulder on the 600?!
You own one, don´t you?!
Just a general question, since I don´t know your collection.

Made a manip with paint, very crude, hope it helps to understand and shows that there are the tools to make a realistic moving shoulder on the 800 too and where the ball join ACTUALLY should be...