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Yep I'd say that too

I'll probably get shouted at here for this. But generally speaking. It seems to often come down to some people like light entertainment "popcorn" movies, which is the category I would put Solo into.

Others tend to like movies with more story and a bit more depth and stakes. I would more or less put Rogue One into this. It's by no means a cinematic masterpiece, but it's more than a popcorn movie in my opinion.

And by the way there is no right or wrong, it's all personal preference of course.

Actually, that's part of why I feel it doesn't grab me--to me it does feel like RO lacks depth and complexity. Especially the characters. I agree Solo is lighter in tone, but I feel like the characters have much more depth and complexity to them, and the relationships with each other. They feel more real. I truly care about what happens to them (yes, even L3!) because I've grown to like them and grown to empathize with each person and their journey in the story. Whereas in RO I just don't feel anything. And I'll also add that I'm not one who shies away from darker, slower paced movies. If there's compelling characters or an interesting story to tell, then I'm all in. I don't know if it's a good example, but I loved BR 2049.

But yes, it's all personal preference. One person's floor is another person's ceiling. :duff
 
There?s really only a few things that bother me about Solo.

1.) the actor that played Solo wasn?t quite right for the part. I prefer that
actor that looks exactly like a young Harrison Ford, and in fact was cast as a younger version of him in another film. He had a YouTube channel where he would post impersonations, and he did a perfect Ford. Look him up if you don?t know who he is and be prepared to be heartbroken for what could have been. I think his name is Anthony Ingruber or something like that.

2.) Solo getting his name from an Imperial Officer is so dumb. Especially since Han says he has no people, when later he talks about his father, so he does have a last name.

3.) The Social Justice Droid. I really love her design, and I love her feisty personality, but the identity politics takes me right out of that world and into our screwed up world, which isn?t appreciated.

4.) I never thought of Han Solo as a complete degenerate criminal. I really only thought of him as a space trucker that on at least one occasion did a job for the mafia to make ends meet. But there was no indication that he spent his whole career as a thief or a con man, I just assumed that all independent cargo pilots do legally ambiguous jobs once in a while to pay the bills.

All in all it?s a fine movie, but it doesn?t measure up to the OT in the way R1 does in my opinion.


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I agree that I am not a fan of the actor playing Solo. However I do think if Disney had put out a Trilogy of Solo movies with this actor, Ford would have slowly faded away into the OT leaving Alden Ehrenreich as the new Han for the younger generation. I can accept this and would have no issues. Kind of like James Bond and the many actors that have played him. Unfortunatley, Ehrenreich always be compared to Ford and will never win. Imagine Ewen M only in E1 and never having the opportunity to look as he did in E3.
 
I agree that I am not a fan of the actor playing Solo. However I do think if Disney had put out a Trilogy of Solo movies with this actor, Ford would have slowly faded away into the OT leaving Alden Ehrenreich as the new Han for the younger generation. I can accept this and would have no issues. Kind of like James Bond and the many actors that have played him. Unfortunatley, Ehrenreich always be compared to Ford and will never win. Imagine Ewen M only in E1 and never having the opportunity to look as he did in E3.

I agree.

I actually like him. I just would have preferred Ingruber.

Here?s his Ford impersonations

https://youtu.be/bba_wPdLxp4

https://youtu.be/EeQU7aqY8SE

https://youtu.be/rG9SAq2kLFY

And here?s his professional portrayal in ?Age of Adaline?

https://youtu.be/vwLv993khfI


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I think the Patrol Trooper has a better chance at being the Shoretrooper, if for only the fact that it's a generic trooper and mudtrooper here is mostly associated with "Young Han Chronicles" given that a Han sculpt is underneath the helmet after all. Hope they release one of the Shoretrooper variants at some point.

It has a bit since it's like a $300+ figure, but in the long run to me the Patrol Trooper is just too similar to other figures and really doesn't come with much of anything in the package. I can see the Mud Trooper doing it more just cause it's a more involved costume and it doubles as a Han if people want that.

Huh, exact opposite for me. I find myself loving RO more and more with each viewing, while Solo becomes harder and harder to sit through every time. I really wish I liked it more, as I do love the characters, but it's directed in such an uninspired way and always feels way too safe and family-friendly for a movie set in this underworld of smugglers and killers.

I like Solo enough, but I really wanted to see what Lord and Miller did. Like was it awful, was it actually funny? I know they'll never release anything but I'd love to see it.
 
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4.) I never thought of Han Solo as a complete degenerate criminal. I really only thought of him as a space trucker that on at least one occasion did a job for the mafia to make ends meet. But there was no indication that he spent his whole career as a thief or a con man, I just assumed that all independent cargo pilots do legally ambiguous jobs once in a while to pay the bills.

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Tough call. He's a little too good with a blaster and comfortable in combat. More career criminal or gunfighter than space trucker.

Then again, for a farmboy, good ol' Luke took to killin' like a Jawa to stealin'. So there is that.
 
I agree that I am not a fan of the actor playing Solo. However I do think if Disney had put out a Trilogy of Solo movies with this actor, Ford would have slowly faded away into the OT leaving Alden Ehrenreich as the new Han for the younger generation. I can accept this and would have no issues. Kind of like James Bond and the many actors that have played him. Unfortunatley, Ehrenreich always be compared to Ford and will never win. Imagine Ewen M only in E1 and never having the opportunity to look as he did in E3.

Yeah he was likable in the role, but just didn't have nearly the level of charisma and star power that HF brought to it. Although it didn't help that the movie gave the character hardly any edge whatsoever, and jumped right to making him the lovable reluctant hero we saw in ROTJ.

But like you say, I do think he had a lot of potential, and could have really made the role his own over time.
 
I can?t lie. Whenever I watch R1 and Jyn says the following I get a little choked up because the chances start there and don?t end till the Yavin Celebration.


?They've no idea we're coming. No reason to expect us. If we can make it to the ground, we'll take the next chance... and the next, on and on, until we win... or the chances are spent.?

I also love Cassian?s line after Jyn confronts him about his orders to kill her father. Cassian flys of the handle and ends with

?Now the Rebellion is real to you?

That line resonates with me because I believe that line is also directed at the audience. The Rebellion up to that point are just props and extras in the background, and I never realized that till Cassian?s line.


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Excellent points. Those two lines have me sitting up and leaning a little closer towards the screen. They give the whole film a little more gravitas and in turn, the whole story that continues from there.
 
The final act of Rogue One is good, but that's about it.


I agree that Solo has the more lighthearted tone I associate with Star Wars. Love Rogue One but I've always said it's a little too Zero Dark Thirty so I almost don't know what to do with it.

'Solo' feels very much like I expect an anthology story to. Very underrated, IMO.

I like Solo better than Rogue One too. I liked RO the first time I watched it but I?ve tried watching it a couple of times since and I find it just doesn?t grab me at all. It took me 3 tries each to get through the movie without falling asleep. I just don?t find the characters or the dialogue or really even the way the story unfolds engaging.

Love Solo, though!

Yeah, even though there are parts of RO that are brilliant, I pretty much agree with all of those points.

Let them have their fun [emoji6]
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Ohhhh, so that's what your postage stamp was a picture of. At least I can see it now. And jeez, what an incredibly lazy, stupid and against-forum-rules post. Almost epic in all three departments.:lol

So just to recap: the entire cast of ANH is white, including rebels (like every single one) and decades later a SW film is produced that takes place in the same week and in the same rebel base as ANH that features a majority non-white cast in lead roles (and even, bizarrely, adds a non-white Imperial turncoat despite OT Imperials being 100% white) and for even noticing this and saying its illogical, you declare me a Trump voter - something clearly repugnant to you?

And for some of us, who do see it, it's still ok :)

I didn't say I'm not okay with it politically or philosophically, I just said it's illogical - like doing a movie set in the same week as "The Great Escape" and in the same camp but with majority non-white and female cast. Can you understand that difference - a logic problem rather than political - or do you PC-police your worldview so strictly that you have to conflate the two?:dunno

The Trawn books make it very clear that Trawn is an exception to the rule.
From The Essential guide to Alien Species:
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Umm, but weren't the rebels ALSO "species racist" and "against all non-humans" in ANH and ESB? :dunno:lecture

Other than Chewy (who's a sidekick arriving with Han, a guy who helps the rebels and becomes a Captain/General - Chewy GETS NO SUCH RANK OR RECOGNITION from the rebels despite him doing the same work as Han,) where are the creatures fighting for the rebels in ANH and ESB?

Did you see many rebel alien pilots, soldiers or even technicians in Yavin or Hoth bases? (...and it's a little eerie that species diversity arrived in the SW universe - with ROTJ - at the same time as genuine casting diversity.)

Does that make Leia a "species racist" ("Commander" Skywalker too)? Someone who pulls a "No medals for the non-humans" in a temple 100% filled with white males?:monkey3

So why do you single out the Empire as "species racist"?:dunno I mean they allow Bossk and Zuckuss onboard the main Imperial ship as contractors when they need them, and use informants like Garindan's services as needed, just as presumably the rebels pay off or have contact with non-humans from time to time?

It has a bit since it's like a $300+ figure, but in the long run to me the Patrol Trooper is just too similar to other figures and really doesn't come with much of anything in the package. I can see the Mud Trooper doing it more just cause it's a more involved costume and it doubles as a Han if people want that.

I like Solo enough, but I really wanted to see what Lord and Miller did. Like was it awful, was it actually funny? I know they'll never release anything but I'd love to see it.

The patrol trooper in some ways is the most OT of any of the newer film designs to me but maybe you're right - too derivative to stand out? But then I don't think it's just design that makes figs take off in value. The Shore Trooper is fine but it doesn't jump out at me as a really cool design.

Maybe because it's associated with the best part of RO - Scarif? Maybe it's what the characters do, or at least being associated with a great scene/sequence, that elevates fig sales like that.
 
3.) The Social Justice Droid. I really love her design, and I love her feisty personality, but the identity politics takes me right out of that world and into our screwed up world, which isn?t appreciated.

Slavery is a long way from identity politics. Star Wars droids clearly have a level of sentience yet they are disposable slaves (as were the clones). This is an element of Star Wars I've always been uncomfortable with. The Clone Wars animated series dealt to an extent with the nature of the clones and their rights and level of self determination, but the plight of droids in this regard has been ignored (3PO laments their situation as early as ANH - "It's our lot in life, we were made to suffer"). I especially cringed in TRoS at how casually they were prepared to wipe 3PO's memory (essentially killing the version of 3PO they knew and who considered them friends) just to read a dagger which they had no idea if the info would help or not. 3PO's last minute agreeing to do the procedure to me felt tacked on when they saw just how badly the scene played with the forced memory wipe to progress the plot and give a trailer moment of "oh noes is 3PO dead?!?!". Yes I3-37 was annoying and the attempt to play it for humour fell flat (this is probably a left over from Lord and Miller who were going for comedy so if you are curious how much of a disaster the film would have been under them, you have your answer), but personally I think it was great that the slavery of droids was finally acknowledged. This is not social justice in the current modern derogatory sense of the word, but social justice in the America fought a civil war over this sense of the word.


To add an on-topic comment, I am so pumped for this figure. It's turned out amazing and now I'm considering an extra. I'm also considering the "normal" Han based on how well it turned out in the hopes we will one day get a Solo Chewie (or Lando :pray:) or that a future Chewie can be paired with him (but really want the Solo version with his bandoleers and cold weather gear). I paid off my SS PO so am now patiently awaiting. This is the last figure I actually have PO'd with SS. Everything else is now with Popcultcha.
 
I like Solo better than Rogue One too. I liked RO the first time I watched it but I?ve tried watching it a couple of times since and I find it just doesn?t grab me at all. It took me 3 tries each to get through the movie without falling asleep. I just don?t find the characters or the dialogue or really even the way the story unfolds engaging.

Love Solo, though!

I agree. I think Rogue One is very overrated. The characters and story were kind of lackluster, in my opinion. But I'm fine with it.
 
Mudtrooper is now waitlist at Sideshow, that's pretty shocking.

I wonder how many they made.

Slavery is a long way from identity politics. Star Wars droids clearly have a level of sentience yet they are disposable slaves (as were the clones). This is an element of Star Wars I've always been uncomfortable with. The Clone Wars animated series dealt to an extent with the nature of the clones and their rights and level of self determination, but the plight of droids in this regard has been ignored (3PO laments their situation as early as ANH - "It's our lot in life, we were made to suffer"). I especially cringed in TRoS at how casually they were prepared to wipe 3PO's memory (essentially killing the version of 3PO they knew and who considered them friends) just to read a dagger which they had no idea if the info would help or not. 3PO's last minute agreeing to do the procedure to me felt tacked on when they saw just how badly the scene played with the forced memory wipe to progress the plot and give a trailer moment of "oh noes is 3PO dead?!?!". Yes I3-37 was annoying and the attempt to play it for humour fell flat (this is probably a left over from Lord and Miller who were going for comedy so if you are curious how much of a disaster the film would have been under them, you have your answer), but personally I think it was great that the slavery of droids was finally acknowledged. This is not social justice in the current modern derogatory sense of the word, but social justice in the America fought a civil war over this sense of the word.

I don't understand this point of view - droids in the OT were quite rudimentary (partly the reason why OT-era K-2SO's sprinting and limber design made little sense to me) in both mechanics and intellect and not even close to something like "I Robot" let alone "Blade Runner" where those "are they equal to humans therefore deserve rights?" conversations can start.

I mean 3PO is very limited intellectually - perhaps childlike is the best description - and the designs of him, IG-88 and 21-B are very basic, all pistons and exposed wires. R2 may have "plucky personality" but he just beeps and he's a metal dome with some clunky on/off lights and arms/legs that are extremely simplistic. Almost something built from a Popular Mechanics kit from the 1980s.

But then you have the idea that IG-88 and 4-LOM are standing there on the bridge of an Imperial capital ship as apparent "equals" to Fett and Dengar (presumably humans) and Bossk and Zuckuss (as living non-humans) and 21-B seeming to be the only "doctor" to the rebel alliance. Which suggests they do sort of have respect, or at least what they do is highly valued.

The "rights" issue is there in the cantina scene but it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense based on what we actually see onscreen in the OT. Droids are very rudimentary. And wtf is Wuher the bartender even talking about? Could a droid eat or drink anything served in a cantina anyway?:slap:lol

So it just makes that whole slavery revolt in Solo kind of silly because it's much more ambiguous what droids are in SW.
 
I had a nice response typed but my browser killed it so here is the (apparently) short version.

The droids all the way from the OT through the PT, ST and the various shows are all very clearly self aware. That quote from 3PO in ANH is proof positive droids are aware of their situation and don't like it - they are sentient. The intellect of a droid, it's appearance, it's method of communication (beeps) or it being child like does not in any way take away from it's self awareness. Is it ok to enslave children, those whose appearance or language does not conform with your ideal, or the intellectually disabled? I really don't think you believe that (and I'm not for a second suggesting you do).

They even had droid torture in RotJ. Why would torture be a thing for a mindless automaton. Droids through all the various incarnations have clearly shown signs of psychological distress (3PO is a basket case, R2 often exhibits concern, and D-O is clearly suffering from PTSD).

Your arguments all fall into the "they are different from us so it's ok to treat them poorly" category. That's not ok to me. Sure rights issues are brought up from time to time (although not in any meaningful way as per the Wuher reference) but I'm not talking general rights here, I'm talking the enslavement of an entire "race" (for want of a better term). They didn't need to create droids with a sense of self, but that's what they did. And that comes with responsibility.

Solo didn't do anything more than acknowledge an issue that has been there from the start. Do I like how they did it, not really. I think I was pretty clear I didn't. It was over the top and played for laughs (and it failed at that). But I am glad it was at least acknowledged. In the same way Clone Wars acknowledged the Jedi were, in a lot of ways, pretty terrible.

Anyway, not trying to turn this into a "thing" and don't want to drag it out lest I become as annoying as L3-37 :lol. Just my thoughts on the topic.


Hot damn. Waitlisted. Glad mine is secured. That's much quicker than the Patrol Trooper.
 
It happened quicker than we thought but It's cool unique looking figure from Star Wars that turned out very nicely.

That said it's HT don't be suprised if they make more.
 
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