Hot Toys Terminator Salvation: Marcus Wright

[nicky]

i think i'd rather have the trenchcoat. it might just be me, but it makes the character stand out more as an individual with his trademark coat.

How do we know it's his trademark look though? No one has seen the film to be able to tell how long he wears it for.

The word out is that Sam IS the lead in this movie and makes the movie more than anyone else.

Yes, he is the MacGuffin of the film.

 

[Valfar]

The Hot Toys DX line is similar to what Dragon did when they created the "Soldat" line for their WW2 1/6th.

 

[pjam]

Yes, he is the MacGuffin of the film.

??? This is wrong on many counts.

In Film Terms a Macguffin is an object we all seek.

Marcus is neither an object (e.g. an ark or a suitcase filled with cash) or something we all seek. (unless it is a HT figure)

He is simply a lead Character.

 

[The Entity]

Man, that looks good

Hot Toys really knows how to make their figures!!! Just look at the way the skin is ripped and teared to show the endo skull.

Anybody knows if he should have and is going to get light up eyes?

 

[Voorhees27]

??? This is wrong on many counts.

In Film Terms a Macguffin is an object we all seek.

Marcus is neither an object (e.g. an ark or a suitcase filled with cash) or something we all seek. (unless it is a HT figure)

He is simply a lead Character.

A MacGuffin is an object (or character) which drives the actions of the characters.

A Macguffin can be a character too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_device

 

[Buttmunch]

Man, that looks good

Hot Toys really knows how to make their figures!!! Just look at the way the skin is ripped and teared to show the endo skull.

Anybody knows if he should have and is going to get light up eyes?

It looks like his left eye lights up as I can see red there, but its not a complete endo eye.

 

[pjam]

A MacGuffin is an object (or character) which drives the actions of the characters.

A Macguffin can be a character too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_device

Oh, please A Character is NOT what we in the Industry refer to as a Macguffin anymore. Ask any Director or Writer. No one will tell you it is a Character.

In the spirit of Storytelling, it is an object we all seek. T4 is NOT a Quest Story anyway so it doesn't apply.

Here is the FULL text from Wikipedia...

One of the most common plot devices is the MacGuffin (a term popularized by Alfred Hitchcock). A MacGuffin is an object (or character) which drives the actions of the characters, but whose actual nature is not important to the story; another object would work just as well, if the characters treated it with the same importance. Hitchcock said that "in a thriller the MacGuffin is usually 'the necklace'; in a spy story it is 'the papers'".

MacGuffins are frequently found in 'quest' fantasy stories; the magic artifact which the hero must recover in order to save his village, world or family is a MacGuffin. The labours of Hercules might well qualify.

MacGuffins are sometimes referred to as "plot coupons" (especially if multiple ones are required) as the protagonist only needs to "collect enough plot coupons and trade them in for a denouement". The term was coined by Nick Lowe.

 

[The Entity]

It looks like his left eye lights up as I can see red there, but its not a complete endo eye.

Maybe just the left eye? I'm sure Hot Toys would figure a way out to make that work

Would be cool though

 

[pjam]

Maybe just the left eye? I'm sure Hot Toys would figure a way out to make that work

Would be cool though

I'm betting the eye will light up. HT has been doing this for years. HT T 800, etc, no biggie for them. I doubt they'll regress on Marcus...

 

[DanceGavinDance]

Looks really cool, but I still think a t-800 Arnie from T2 should be made first

 

[Centrocal]

If his eye lights up, what kind of body is he using? Is it a custom? have they ever put lights in a true type before?

 

[Deckard]

If his eye lights up, what kind of body is he using? Is it a custom? have they ever put lights in a true type before?

The lights would be right in the head, like the original terminator battle damaged figure Hot Toys did. And only one of the eyes should light up, Marcus seems to keep both his eyes intact, despite the heavy damage to his face. But we can see the red laser through his left eye which is more torn up.

 

[plasmid303]

If his eye lights up, what kind of body is he using? Is it a custom? have they ever put lights in a true type before?

Remember HT's old damaged T-800? It had light up eyes and still used a True Type (or at least, the old version of the TT body).

photo credit: Wookster/Jeff Parker.

 

[The Entity]

About the MacGuffin discussion...

Technically Marcus is a Terminator, right? Judging by his Endoskelleton at least.

So... Isn't he an object then?

If everyone seeks him, is a second question, which probably will be answered in the film, but technically he's an object so maybe at least part MacGuffin

 

[plasmid303]

Marcus is not a MacGuffin because he is an important primary character and serves a pivotal role in the story (at least, that's what the trailers and synopses allude to).

It doesn't matter if he is an "object" (because of his machine nature) or that he is being sought after. He says "I'm the only hope you have" in the trailers. If any of what he says is true then that already proves he is a central figure of which an impact can be made to the story and the other characters, which means he is not a MacGuffin.

Want an example of a MacGuffin? The statue in The Maltese Falcon. The crystal skull in the latest Indy movie. The burgers in Harold and Kumar Go to WhiteCastle.

 

[MaulFan]

Yeah, if anything is a MacGuffin in T:S, it would be Skynet.

 

[nicky]

One of the most common plot devices is the MacGuffin (a term popularized by Alfred Hitchcock). A MacGuffin is an object (or character) which drives the actions of the characters, but whose actual nature is not important to the story;

So can it be a character or can't it??? A character with a personality doesnt have to be essential to the story but the fact there is someone there is. Mother in Psycho? The cook in The Hunt For Red October?

Yeah, if anything is a MacGuffin in T:S, it would be Skynet.

Skynet is the antagonist.

I always thought the MacGuffin was the thing (not necessarily physical object) that the plot was based around. Examples of non-object MacGuffins I considered were Sarah in T1, John in T2, the POWs in Rambo II, the President that Arnie has to kill in Commando? Truman in The Truman Show?

I was just under the imppresion it could also be a person (with no dialogue even) just "acting" as an object. I could be wrong of course.

 

[pjam]

It's commonly considered an object or thing in a Quest Movie, the "thing" they are all after. The Maltese Falcon is an excellent example.

When Promoting KOTCS, Harrison Ford, while sitting with Lucas and Speilberg, was asked "What is a Macguffin". His reply was "The object we all seek".

Marcus is certainly not that in T4.

Maybe you meant red herring, Nicky? Now that is all together different.

 

[plasmid303]

I think the accepted definition is the one popularized by Hitchcock. Before that, a MacGuffin was just defined as "a plot element that catches the viewers' attention or drives the plot of a work of fiction" (taken from Wiki entry).

It's now a pejorative term used to criticize films. The MacGuffin has no meaning and makes little to no impact on the story or characters, but it gets the ball rolling, so to speak. From what I can tell, Marcus doesn't fit into any of that.

And yes, I'm pretty sure it can be either person or thing.

 

[kazukijun]

New images of the figure
https://www.toy-world.com.hk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=14894&extra=page=1&page=3

I'm at work now, so I can't post the pictures over but I'm sure someone here will do it.