Hot Toys: The Dark Knight: 1/4 The Joker

[Vortex]

So what's wrong with it I need graphs and ****. Face shape and lips..what else?

 

[HeubertMichael]

I'm surprised that the second head comes only not just as an EX, but also a paint variant of the regular head. A smiling/laughing head would have been nice, but then maybe they thought there's no need to trump the old competition by adding another.

Also, Yulli.

Okay.

 

[ShadowGuardian]

So anybody know when this goes up for preorder and how much it will officially cost?

 

[Hologram AI]

So anybody know when this goes up for preorder and how much it will officially cost?

Nobody here works at Sideshow so no. Guessing price will be around $500-$550 if the HK price is of any indication.

 

[HeubertMichael]

Shoes look good. But wait -- there's a glitch on the socks and shoes? More reason to complain about the socks

 

[Stanlore]

I think the exclusive bonus sculpt looks pretty cool.

The EB still looks better IMO (I'm all about the HS), but the HT has a lot of good things as well namely the accessories and probably the body. Am happy for the people that get a chance to own this especially people that are: A) Late in the HT collecting game B) Never had a chance to get a Dark Knight Joker. Still think HT could have done better then this, and they should have given another person a chance to sculpt this and added rooted hair. But it is what it is... esp for some collectors, its better then sky rocketed over priced HT's and EB's or custom made figures.

I think this situation is actually close to the DX04 Enter the Dragon Bruce Lee figure. Enterbay had the better HS, and HT had better overall package including accessories, backdrops, better paint, 2 HS and bodies. The EB still looked better but both were great in there own way.

 

[ironwez20]

Why is t this a specs thread?

 

[epitaph04]

Ah **** that bonus sculpt sold me. Gonna get this now

 

[sj2106]

I think the exclusive bonus sculpt looks pretty cool.

The EB still looks better IMO (I'm all about the HS), but the HT has a lot of good things as well namely the accessories and probably the body. Am happy for the people that get a chance to own this especially people that are: A) Late in the HT collecting game B) Never had a chance to get a Dark Knight Joker. Still think HT could have done better then this, and they should have given another person a chance to sculpt this and added rooted hair. But it is what it is... esp for some collectors, its better then sky rocketed over priced HT's and EB's or custom made figures.

I think this situation is actually close to the DX04 Enter the Dragon Bruce Lee figure. Enterbay had the better HS, and HT had better overall package including accessories, backdrops, better paint, 2 HS and bodies. The EB still looked better but both were great in there own way.

I think this sums things up perfectly. Exactly how I feel about the figure. The sculpt could be better, it's not awe inspiring as perhaps it should be. I Missed the DX12 and EB Joker, wish this had a laughing sculpt but will get it all the same.

 

[Captain Clown]

Darn, so I guess there's no preorder for this or Batman today. Anyone know what time SS's offices open in the morning?

So what's wrong with it I need graphs and ****. Face shape and lips..what else?

The hair looks pretty bad too.

 

[ShanLan]

I think he's entitled to feel a little disappointed when we've been waiting this long for HT to do a 1/4 scale Joker and they not only deliver mediocrity, but ****ing celebrate it with that stupid ass nonsensical "dual headsculpt?"

"Here at Hot Toys, we are thrilled to share with fans everywhere yet another time where Yulli makes a Joker that kinda looks like Heath Ledger, but not really, for, like, the 18th time, but hey! Hasn't she been doing a great job of making these figures of dudes who only sort of look like Heath Ledger after all this time? Could you believe that we've had her making these dudes that are kind of Dark Knight Jokers, but not really for over 10 years, now, while our company, otherwise, progresses, and improves with each new attempt? Isn't it amazing, guys? Guys? Hello?"

Ouch! The funniest jokes always have that bit of painful truth to them....

I figure that if the Neca 1/4 Catwoman won't sway me to upscale, nothing will. This Joker would have helped tip the scale...but too much seems off.
From some angles it's great, and others it's so, so wrong! The more I look at it, the more tweaking I can see it needing.
Which is sad. This is so very close....

I think the biggest problem is their indecisiveness when choosing a "look".
Don't pick the hairstyle from the jail cell scene, make it the darker colour of the mob-meeting scene, and do almost-but-not-quite mob scene makeup/ almost but not quite interrogation makeup.
It's trying to look like every scene and ends up looking like none of them.

Were they aiming for this? Seems the closest. But even still.....not quite there somehow.

 

[ShadowGuardian]

Was messing around comparing Heath in makeup against the figure again. Again sorry for the quality. I'm having trouble finding high quality HD images of him.

 

[hexad_2808]

I've never understood the rooted hair thing. It just doesn't seem feasible to me with this character, in terms of mass production. Hell, most people who try it just as a one off utterly fail and wind up with a great sculpt looking like it has a party city wig glued to its head. It's not even the hair so much as it's the style. Chewbacca's one thing, but, if there's a way to capture that wet, greasy, stringy look that Ledger's do had in TDK on a mass scale, it's unknown to me.

Overtoys made a great effort on rooted hair, its disappointing that HT didn't give it a go given their financial backing

 

[Darth_Fatso]

Personally I like how this figure looks but I'm no expert though. Just wish it was 1/6 scale though. I still dream of the day HT makes a DX Joker 3.0 with alternate nurse outfit.

 

[MedievaL]

This and the BB one are my fisrt HT purchases in 3-1/2 years ever since I stopped. This is Old school HT right here.

Really? I thought EB's BB was sufficient for you.

 

[Captain Clown]

Trying to make it look like too many different scenes definitely could've hurt this. The DX11 has that same problem IMO, which was also done by Yulli.

I was really hoping for them to let Kojun have a crack at Ledger Joker, or whoever did those bang-on Letokers.

 

[Gipetto0812]

I think he's entitled to feel a little disappointed when we've been waiting this long for HT to do a 1/4 scale Joker and they not only deliver mediocrity, but ****ing celebrate it with that stupid ass nonsensical "dual headsculpt?"

"Here at Hot Toys, we are thrilled to share with fans everywhere yet another time where Yulli makes a Joker that kinda looks like Heath Ledger, but not really, for, like, the 18th time, but hey! Hasn't she been doing a great job of making these figures of dudes who only sort of look like Heath Ledger after all this time? Could you believe that we've had her making these dudes that are kind of Dark Knight Jokers, but not really for over 10 years, now, while our company, otherwise, progresses, and improves with each new attempt? Isn't it amazing, guys? Guys? Hello?"

I remember you mentioned why not use a 3rd party sculptor in a previous post... Well, look at Prime1... they used the great Adam Gu who is notorious for amazing Joker sculpts, I think we can all agree with that. And look what he delivered for Prime1. Sure it looks like HL but doesn't capture any of the Joker's character. Looks sleepy or like he was just told his dog died. So even with an amazing sculptor like Adam, there's no guarantee that you'll still get a super awesome sculpt.

Now, do I think it would've been cool to have a laughing sculpt like the DX11? or a smiling, yellow teeth showing sculpt? heck yea! but for me, I am in no way disappointed with this release. Overall it looks great, the tailoring looks and will be better than EB, body will more than likely be better than EB along with overall production quality. Knowing these things makes me pretty happy with this release. I understand some disappointment but some of this as usual in a TDK Joker thread is outrageous and quote comical everyone always gets so worked up over these TDK releases more than anything I've ever seen on this or any other board

 

[HeubertMichael]

Trying to make it look like too many different scenes definitely could've hurt this. The DX11 has that same problem IMO, which was also done by Yulli.

I was really hoping for them to let Kojun have a crack at Ledger Joker, or whoever did those bang-on Letokers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Yulli sculpted all the HT Ledger Jokers so far.

Yulli's done a lot of great sculpts with uncanny likenesses, my personal favorite is the BD unhelmeted Robocop sculpt. That's all kinds of sculpting brilliance, in one release of that figure. Same with the new Tom Holland as Peter Parker sculpt, that's a great likeness for their first release featuring the actor as Spidey. However, like any artist/sculptor perhaps, she has these actors that might just be her waterloo and it's baffling that HT keeps her on every remake of that project given that they now have a huge roster of talented sculptors. Like Ledger, she's done most if not all of HT's Arnie sculpts, and the best one so far (DX13) was a collab with another sculptor.

Was wishing Lee So Young would be given a chance to sculpt Ledger for TDK's 10 anniversary, but here we go, we have one celebrating Yulli's (and JC Hong's) 10th year with HT instead. Still I think this figure so far is her best Ledger sculpt IMO, and I'm sure they'd give it some improvements.

 

[Captain Clown]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Yulli sculpted all the HT Ledger Jokers so far.

Yulli's done a lot of great sculpts with uncanny likenesses, my personal favorite is the BD unhelmeted Robocop sculpt. That's all kinds of sculpting brilliance, in one release of that figure. Same with the new Tom Holland as Peter Parker sculpt, that's a great likeness for their first release featuring the actor as Spidey. However, like any artist/sculptor perhaps, she has these actors that might just be her waterloo and it's baffling that HT keeps her on every remake of that project given that they now have a huge roster of talented sculptors. Like Ledger, she's done most if not all of HT's Arnie sculpts, and the best one so far (DX13) was a collab with another sculptor.

Was wishing Lee So Young would be given a chance to sculpt Ledger for TDK's 10 anniversary, but here we go, we have one celebrating Yulli's (and JC Hong's) 10th year with HT instead. Still I think this figure so far is her best Ledger sculpt IMO, and I'm sure they'd give it some improvements.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's sculpted them all. She's done great work, but Joker just isn't her character, which is why I was really hoping for another sculptor this time. Lee So Young would've been cool. I picked Kojun since he also did the QS Bale Batman IIRC, which turned out looking great.

I'd totally say this is their best Ledger Joker so far, and here's hoping for more improvements. I'm just glad they decided to model him after the mob scene - it's nice having a Joker figure with clean makeup this time around.

I didn't even catch that, instead of celebrating the actual movie's tenth anniversary, they're celebrating Yulli and JC Hong's tenth year at Hot Toys.

 

[Darkavatar]

Is it just me or does the duel head look more realistic and more like Ledger? I think it's a pretty cool idea though not at the expensive of a fully painted interrogation head.

That's the idea I think, to prove that the sculpt has some likeness to Ledger, because a lot of people can't see any likeness at all when the make up is applied. This is because the likeness isn't good enough to shrine through the make up, especially the mob make up.

I think he's entitled to feel a little disappointed when we've been waiting this long for HT to do a 1/4 scale Joker and they not only deliver mediocrity, but ****ing celebrate it with that stupid ass nonsensical "dual headsculpt?"

"Here at Hot Toys, we are thrilled to share with fans everywhere yet another time where Yulli makes a Joker that kinda looks like Heath Ledger, but not really, for, like, the 18th time, but hey! Hasn't she been doing a great job of making these figures of dudes who only sort of look like Heath Ledger after all this time? Could you believe that we've had her making these dudes that are kind of Dark Knight Jokers, but not really for over 10 years, now, while our company, otherwise, progresses, and improves with each new attempt? Isn't it amazing, guys? Guys? Hello?"

So what's wrong with it I need graphs and ****. Face shape and lips..what else?

Too many things to mention, it's not like this is the EB sculpt where the main problem with that was the head shape and big chin. They just didn't nail any of Ledger's facial features. I will say though that the head shape on this is better than EBs.

I think the exclusive bonus sculpt looks pretty cool.

The EB still looks better IMO (I'm all about the HS), but the HT has a lot of good things as well namely the accessories and probably the body. Am happy for the people that get a chance to own this especially people that are: A) Late in the HT collecting game B) Never had a chance to get a Dark Knight Joker. Still think HT could have done better then this, and they should have given another person a chance to sculpt this and added rooted hair. But it is what it is... esp for some collectors, its better then sky rocketed over priced HT's and EB's or custom made figures.

All good points.

I think this situation is actually close to the DX04 Enter the Dragon Bruce Lee figure. Enterbay had the better HS, and HT had better overall package including accessories, backdrops, better paint, 2 HS and bodies. The EB still looked better but both were great in there own way.

Good analogy.

Was messing around comparing Heath in makeup against the figure again. Again sorry for the quality. I'm having trouble finding high quality HD images of him.

Nothing lines, up just shows off the sculpt is, having said, I don't think this is a bad sculpt, it just doesn't have that wow factor to it.

I remember you mentioned why not use a 3rd party sculptor in a previous post... Well, look at Prime1... they used the great Adam Gu who is notorious for amazing Joker sculpts, I think we can all agree with that. And look what he delivered for Prime1. Sure it looks like HL but doesn't capture any of the Joker's character. Looks sleepy or like he was just told his dog died. So even with an amazing sculptor like Adam, there's no guarantee that you'll still get a super awesome sculpt.

I would still take Prime's over this any day, this looks so close MJ's one, the scars are more like deep cuts in the face.

Now, do I think it would've been cool to have a laughing sculpt like the DX11? or a smiling, yellow teeth showing sculpt? heck yea! but for me, I am in no way disappointed with this release. Overall it looks great, the tailoring looks and will be better than EB, body will more than likely be better than EB along with overall production quality. Knowing these things makes me pretty happy with this release.

Yeah that's true.

I understand some disappointment but some of this as usual in a TDK Joker thread is outrageous and quote comical everyone always gets so worked up over these TDK releases more than anything I've ever seen on this or any other board

Not true, there doesn't seem to many complaints about the likeness of the Bale at the 1/4 BB thread. People mainly get worked up over HTs Ledger's Joker, because time and time again HT fails to deliver. I honestly can't believe they got Yulli do this sculpt again, after all of her failed attempts. Do they think because she has sculpted Ledger so many times, that she would be the best at it, since practice makes perfect?