House Burns Down, Pets Die While Fireman Watch

[Kabukiman]

 

[The Josh]

Yep that's how it works where I live. However, the people in rural areas are not paying taxes for those services. All they are required to do is pay a $75 fee. I would imagine if they were to pay taxes for these services that the taxes alone would be far more significant than $75.

Yeah, the taxes are way more than $75 at least here.

This will be of small consolation to you, but those animals would have been long dead before firefighters ever arrived seeing as this was a volunteer dept. with the response times being significantly longer than that of full-time dept's. As for burning alive, that is simply not true. It is the smoke that kills both humans and animals alike, not the fire itself. They would have succumbed to the toxic smoke, perhaps even within seconds of breathing it in. And they would not have been located near windows or doorways. They would have panicked and tried to find a safe hiding place, usually in a closet, under a bed, etc......

Yeah, most deaths from fires are actually caused by smoke and not the fire. Hence why smoke alarms and such are very important.

 

[Voorhees27]

 

[Darth Cruel]

You haven't explained your position at all. I clearly justified my position. You just to choose to not accept the facts. I'm not sure why? Why?

Actually, you have not justified your position. You have continually argued your point with sarcasm and peripheral information and outright untruths. You clearly stated that this gentleman did not pay his fees previously and you stated that he said so on Olberman's show. This is not the case. He was establishing a precedent that happened at his son's house...and no mention was made of his son's house being on his property. In fact...most of the agencies reporting this have stated that he was previously current with his fees. His son was allowed to pay his fee the following day...as I believe is acceptible...and I feel that he should have been allowed the same courtesy. Now, I can say that his taking advantage of the fire department's allowing that is rude...but hardly grounds for allowing his house to burn to the ground.

Nothing anyone says is gonna be a rational justification to you since you have already made up your mind about the situation. And the same for Badmoon and others who share that opinion.

Actually...I have not established a committed opinion on this at all. But I am having trouble seeing any justification in letting the house burn.

Yeah, I posted it a couple pages back.

Well...you posted irrelevant information like everyone else on that side of the debate.

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Patience, young one. I am at work and sometimes have to answer that call.

No I haven't. Then again I said "plenty" in the media were siding with this clown not "all". I don't agree with some individuals at Fox if they were making fun of this guy, but if they were the only ones portraying him as the irresponsible idiot he is then kudos to them for actually reporting the news responsibly. It sure beats listening to some of the bleeding heart liberals at CCN who painted this guy as an innocent victim in this mess.
And please, instead of accusing Fox of painting this guy as a dummy because he's from the south why don't you remove those rose-coloured glasses of your's and join the rest of us in the real world. I saw this guy being interviewed on TV and to say he's a "few short of a six pack" is an understatement. If Fox portrayed him as a dummy it's because he is a dummy, not because of where he's from. Quite frankly, the only thing this guy did that even remotely hinted to the existance of intelligent life was to not risk his own life trying to save his pets.



The remarks of some people never cease to amaze me. I'd love to know how many of these "computer lions" have the slightest clue what they're talking about. As hard as it might be for some people to accept, the fires you see in movies like Backdraft and Ladder 49 are not even remotely close to what happens in real life. Here's the only thing I do know about these brave individuals ....within seconds of entering a "fully involved" structure the first thing they'd realize is they might as well just close their eyes because they wouldn't be able to see 1 inch in front of their faces. They'd be able to hear the fire, and feel the heat [the intensity of which they'd never even remotely experienced before], but they wouldn't be able to see it until they were almost right on top of it. Right about then, they'd turn around while peeing themselves, and start crying for their mommies while running for the front door, which hopefully for their sake they'll be able to locate.


Good find BadMoon!, I hadn't seen that before. This guy really is starting to sound stupider by the minute...if that's even humanly possible. I'm actually astounded that after all the info that's come out in the past fews days anyone could be stupid enough to try and defend this guy and his actions, or rather lack of actions.


This will be of small consolation to you, but those animals would have been long dead before firefighters ever arrived seeing as this was a volunteer dept. with the response times being significantly longer than that of full-time dept's. As for burning alive, that is simply not true. It is the smoke that kills both humans and animals alike, not the fire itself. They would have succumbed to the toxic smoke, perhaps even within seconds of breathing it in. And they would not have been located near windows or doorways. They would have panicked and tried to find a safe hiding place, usually in a closet, under a bed, etc......



It appears from the comments of a few select individiuals around here this moron in South Fulton doesn't own an exclusive rights clause where stupidity is concerned. Hopefully, if Fox News interviews these two clowns they'll portray them as idiots because that's what they are, and not just because they live in SoCal and Singapore....

Yep...you are showing a lot of brilliance in riding the coattails of someone else's (erroneous) information and then offering up a mindless attack like this in support. Do you actually have relevant information on the subject or are you just popping in to spew some bile?

 

[Kabukiman]

Well...you posted irrelevant information like everyone else on that side of the debate.

Ah, okay. Now it makes sense. You're crazy. You've taken the "the health of the firefighters is irrelevant" side of the debate. I won't waste any more of your time then. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Darth Cruel]

Ah, okay. Now it makes sense. You're crazy. You've taken the "the health of the firefighters is irrelevant" side of the debate. I won't waste any more of your time then. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

No. Not the health of the firefighters. The argument of the health of the figrefighters while they fight the fire in the house as it is not relevant in this case due to the fact that the fire burned out in the yard for 2 hours before it ever hit the house and the fire fighters would have had a nice easy and safe fire to put out at that time...if they had acted imediately.

Edit - By the way...you are forgiven for your mistake.

 

[Bannister]

His son was allowed to pay his fee the following day...as I believe is acceptible...and I feel that he should have been allowed the same courtesy.

This is what I disagree with. The FD never should have let the house burn down, but the homeowner also shouldn't just be allowed to pay the $75.00 the next day. They should be billed for whatever the actual cost would be or a predetermined fine as some people here have already suggested. If you could just pay the fee whenever, you really have no incentive to pay the $75.00 in the first place. There has to be some consequence for not paying your fees.

 

[Darth Cruel]

This is what I disagree with. The FD never should have let the house burn down, but the homeowner also shouldn't just be allowed to pay the $75.00 the next day. They should be billed for whatever the actual cost would be or a predetermined fine as some people here have already suggested. If you could just pay the fee whenever, you really have no incentive to pay the $75.00 in the first place. There has to be some consequence for not paying your fees.

I would be good with that...and I have already mentioned that. Yep! Fine him for it!

 

[Skiman]

Meatys gay.

King and I the other day, yes... I have da mussles and he's riding

STFU Chase before I give you a fresh one.

This is what I disagree with. The FD never should have let the house burn down, but the homeowner also shouldn't just be allowed to pay the $75.00 the next day. They should be billed for whatever the actual cost would be or a predetermined fine as some people here have already suggested. If you could just pay the fee whenever, you really have no incentive to pay the $75.00 in the first place. There has to be some consequence for not paying your fees.

that is where I stand.

 

[BuffyGirl]

It's no exaggeration. Again LOOK IT UP. That's what WOULD happen. Taxes would be increased. I also hope you will be first in line to give this clown donations to rebuild. Again if he didn't have the foresight to pay a $75 fee I doubt he had enough smarts to insure his home and belongings.

Please tell me that you are not one that believes things like schooling, law enforcement, road services, and such are all free services brought to you be keebler elves?

The point is the money comes from bill and tax payers. You don't want to pay then you don't get to play.

So what is your justification that they should have put it out? Because they are human and just should?

MMmmmmm Cookies.

 

[Jen]

Well if there is going to be a fine for people who don't pay the fee and then need the service, that is a policy change that they will need to make. As of now, it states in their policy that the South Fulton fire dept does not respond to fires if you have not paid the fee and they did not show up to the scene until there was a risk that it could go into the neighbor's property. I think at that time, their house was already pretty burned. It is sad that it usually takes horrible events like this to happen for people to demand change or for people to realize how precious these services are that they need to be funded.

 

[Darth Cruel]

Well if there is going to be a fine for people who don't pay the fee and then need the service, that is a policy change that they will need to make. As of now, it states in their policy that the South Fulton fire dept does not respond to fires if you have not paid the fee and they did not show up to the scene until there was a risk that it could go into the neighbor's property. I think at that time, their house was already pretty burned. It is sad that it usually takes horrible events like this to happen for people to demand change or for people to realize how precious these services are that they need to be funded.

Tru dat!....

 

[devilof76]

Also I don't believe the guys house should have burnt down.

For someone who knew the policy (he had just gone through it with his son) he probably should have been a bit more careful burning leaves or, whatever. No, his house shouldn't have burned down; he shouldn't have burned it down! *******.

I'll say point blank that it wasn't the fire department's fault that his house is gone. His own idiocy and presumption that he would get help--no matter what--is what caused the loss; not the firefighters' inaction.

All they are required to do is pay a $75 fee. I would imagine if they were to pay taxes for these services that the taxes alone would be far more significant than $75.

I'd pay the $75 in a heartbeat if it meant not having to pay property taxes.

So what is your justification that they should have put it out? Because they are human and just should?

That is his justification. And that's it. If you're born human, and you get sick, the doctor is obligated to make you better. If you're born human and you're hungry, the farmer is obligated to feed you. If you're born human and you need shelter, the architect and contractor are obligated to house you.

Need is what determines who deserves what. Beggars are not only choosers, they are masters.

Right Cruel?

We should all stop paying our bills.

Why not? We're human, aren't we?

Oops. That was sarcastic. That makes it invalid.

 

[King Darkness]

I'd pay the $75 in a heartbeat if it meant not having to pay property taxes.

No kidding!!! I would pay it 10 times a year, would still be cheaper then what I have to pay now.


What I have to pay to live on land I already freakin own


F U PROPERTY TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[devilof76]

I bet if we had a road bill, a fire bill, a school bill, and they were all voluntary, based on whether or not you wanted the service, we wouldn't have to pay a fraction of what we pay now.

It wouldn't surprise me if the services were more reliable, and of higher quality too. Taxes suck.

 

[King Darkness]

Probably would be cheaper and yes they do suck. Especially since I have to pay to live on land I already own WTF!?!?!?

I was born human, doesnt that entitle to live on my own land for free

 

[devilof76]

Yeah, it does.

 

[BadMoon]

Probably would be cheaper and yes they do suck. Especially since I have to pay to live on land I already own WTF!?!?!?

I was born human, doesnt that entitle to live on my own land for free

You are also entitled to free health care, zero taxes, no bills, a free back massage once a week, and more importantly ZERO CONSEQUENCES when you F up. In fact you can even go on the news and blame others for your own stupidity.

 

[King Darkness]

I honestly dont have a problem with any of those things. Its just that mother ____in property tax bull____! I mean what the ____, I OWN THE ____IN LAND! Why do I still have to pay to live one it

Its like having to keep paying Nike for the shoes I paid for 5 years ago!?!?!? ******* nonsene bull____!!! Sonofa_____

"Property tax"....pffft....bull____

 

[Jen]

I bet if we had a road bill, a fire bill, a school bill, and they were all voluntary, based on whether or not you wanted the service, we wouldn't have to pay a fraction of what we pay now.

It wouldn't surprise me if the services were more reliable, and of higher quality too. Taxes suck.

Sadly, I think if we had an ala carte type of service, many people would not pay for any of those. I don't have kids - but I'm happy to help out with education. These kids are going to be running our country and I want well educated people in charge when I'm in old. I want kids to have a chance at a successful future - even if they are not my kids.

And if someone didn't pay a road bill - are there going to be check points to make sure you don't drive on that road unless you paid the fee? I don't see how that would work. We need roads, how they could make that an option doesn't make sense to me.

I think services like education, fire, police, emergency, roads, etc should all be mandatory. These are things we need and rely on and shouldn't be optional if you choose to live here.

I think sadly we would see more instances like this one, with this guys house burning down, if these services were optional. Too many people are cheap and would rather take the risk that they won't need these in the future and then wind up screwed if there comes a time when they do.