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Hate to say it, but I fully agree with the Philly fan.
House Burns Down, Pets Die While Fireman Watch
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Hate to say it, but I fully agree with the Philly fan.
mr.thrifty
Super Freak
@ the hate for the fire department... 
Home owner knew the risks for not paying the fee for fire services and chose poorly....
Everyone wants to be left alone and free from the "man" until they want some of the benefits thereof. Then when they don't get their self proclaimed entitlements here comes the.........
hairlesswookiee
PALPATINE CRUSADER!!!!
I'm hardly naive. I feel sorry for the people that lost their house while the Fire Department (you know,the guys that are supposed to put out fires) showed up and did nothing because of a $75 bill.
It's scary how some of you guys quickly dismiss this just simply because they didn't pay the bill. The world isn't black and white, as there are shades of grey and this tragedy definitely fits in it.
It's scary how some of you guys quickly dismiss this just simply because they didn't pay the bill. The world isn't black and white, as there are shades of grey and this tragedy definitely fits in it.
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
I would also like to add one more thing and I will be done. It's with this entitlement issue. I hate that word so much!
The bottom line is people feel entitled to all sorts of things and yet do NOTHING about it. If this community felt entitled to have protection against fire without paying they have 3 options:
1 - Simply do nothing and take the risk (clearly what the resident did)
2 - Go to a public function and try to voice their concerns to the officials at hand. (Probably across town and they don't go that way. Just like said idiot that didn't want to drive across town to pay their bill)
3 - And this is the big one. The one that would make us evolve and get past these types of issues. Band together and make your own inter-communal fire department. Why not? Damn the man right?(However, easier said then done. The community would then realize that fire protection comes at a cost. A far greater cost then they are willing to pay. Not to mention who would actually show up to a blaze? After all they are entitled to be able to watch Monday Night Football and God forbid a fire break out on that night.)
The bottom line is people feel entitled to all sorts of things and yet do NOTHING about it. If this community felt entitled to have protection against fire without paying they have 3 options:
1 - Simply do nothing and take the risk (clearly what the resident did)
2 - Go to a public function and try to voice their concerns to the officials at hand. (Probably across town and they don't go that way. Just like said idiot that didn't want to drive across town to pay their bill)
3 - And this is the big one. The one that would make us evolve and get past these types of issues. Band together and make your own inter-communal fire department. Why not? Damn the man right?(However, easier said then done. The community would then realize that fire protection comes at a cost. A far greater cost then they are willing to pay. Not to mention who would actually show up to a blaze? After all they are entitled to be able to watch Monday Night Football and God forbid a fire break out on that night.)
EVILFACE
Insufferable S.O.B.
He lived in a area that collected no taxes for fire service. This fire department offered their services for a fee to this area that they recieve no taxes from.
Sucks, but he knew he did not pay the service and he himself risked the safty of his family and pets by being cheap and not paying the fee.
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
No the world is black and white when it comes to these issues. If you don't like it then see the above post and do something about it. You will grow as a man when you realize you are handed nothing and must take it on yourself to do what you must to survive. If that means paying a $75 bill to potentially save your home against loss then that is what you have to do. If you choose not to then why blame others for your failure?
hairlesswookiee
PALPATINE CRUSADER!!!!
I disagree. And I do engage in activity to do something about this stuff. I don't appreciate the condescension because I don't agree with you either. The issue isn't the blame, but that nobody did anything. Volunteer FD or not, they stood there with the fire truck and watched the house burn.
And the issue about Humans>Animals. I agree that human life is more valuable, but that doesn't change the fact that they should've tried to free the animals. No person or animal deserves to die that way.
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
That's all well and good. I'm glad you take part. However, the resident did not. This story isn't about you. It's about this particular person. And this person did NOTHING to try to change anything about a system they disagreed with.
And no you are right. The issue isn't to blame. The blame is put on the resident that failed to pay their bill. Nobody did their service (that they are paid to do) because they simply weren't paid to do so. What would happen if someone did go into that building and save the animals? Or better yet what if they were killed trying to do so. The family never paid for their services so they are now sued by the victims family?
Hairless I understand your idealistic approach. WE ALL WISHED the world worked that way. I wish when I took a poop I had a nice tall brunette there with blue eyes to wipe my arse. However, it doesn't work that way. Sorry, you will learn. I'm not being condescending one bit. It is what it is.
They didn't show up and do nothing. They showed up and protected the houses and families that enlisted their services. If they saved the house of the man who refused to pay they would have gone out of business and no one would have fire protection because, again, if they allowed people to pay on the spot during the unlikely event of a fire no one would pay the premiums ever again.
No funding, no fire department. Lots more pets (and eventually people) die agonizing deaths. The fire department did the right thing. If anyone should have been held accountable then possibly the owner of the house could have been charged with cruelty to animals by allowing fires on his premises knowing there would be no way to stop them.
mr.thrifty
Super Freak
The home owner should have risked his own life to save his pets lives and not expected another human being to do it for him.. it wasn't the fire departments job to do so because they were NOT paid to do it...
You can thank all the Lawyers (and the people who hire them to get $$ for whatever they can) for why we can't do what we would consider the "right" thing to do all the time....
You can thank all the Lawyers (and the people who hire them to get $$ for whatever they can) for why we can't do what we would consider the "right" thing to do all the time....
In other articles I've read about this, the wife had paid the bill every year, but didn't this year. It's not like they've never paid it. I can see the fire services point, but at the same time, this could've easily been solved by adding the fee to their property taxes or something. I'm sure he's not the only one that doesn't pay it, or doesn't pay it on time. I'm sure most of us has let a bill slip by.
The Craw
Super Freak
i kinda think it's funny that people are expected to risk their lives for animals. i like animals as much as the next guy but it is kinda outrageous what people do to save a dog stuck in the middle of a raging river, etc. and for the record the animals more than likely suffocated before they were consumed by flames. they probably didn't feel a thing.
mr.thrifty
Super Freak
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
Ween I understand what you are saying. It simply doesn't make sense though.
It doesn't matter if I pay my car bill every time ahead of the due date for several years. If I fail to be current on said bill they can take my car.
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
OOOOOO.... Animals are = to Humans didn't ya know??
I would risk my life to save my animals. As
as that sounds to you I would do so. I CHOSE to accept them into my home and they are my responsibility. Just like the owner of this home was responsible for paying their bills.
hairlesswookiee
PALPATINE CRUSADER!!!!
I would risk my life to save my animals. As
Same with me. I love my dog unconditionally, and she would be the first thing I made sure was safe in event of a fire. Followed by my laptop, PS3, 360, and whatever else I could carry downstairs quickly. I don't think any animal deserves to suffer unjustly.
OOOOOO.... Animals are = to Humans didn't ya know??
Kinda my though, so what if a firefighter had died trying to save the dog of a person who didnt even pay for the service. Well because he did it on his own the City would not have any legal reason to do anything for the family.
If I was the firefighter and told don't do anything I would have not done anything. It actually happens all the time.
Also at any point did the firefighters know for a define fact that their were dogs in the house?
mr.thrifty
Super Freak
I would risk my life to save my animals. As
Would you risk your life for someone else's animals from a fire?
And then this one....
Would you risk your life to save another Human being (stranger) from a fire?
BadMoon
Demi G0D Overseer
Yes I actually would risk my life to save an animal in need. And being a former Marine infantryman that should answer your question about what I would do for my fellow man.
Jen
KurJen - Kurgan Mod
I read that they had received three different notices that they had not paid their bill. I can see misplacing or forgetting one bill- but when you get three notices and still don't pay....I have a hard time believing that that was just an oversight.
And no one wants to add it to their property taxes because no one wants their taxes raised. It's apparently been an initiative they have been trying to add to the ballot for a few years now but no one wants to add it because they don't want to be the one to raise taxes. Bunch of political b.s. Maybe now people will demand that it be added.
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