How did this dirtbag get this already???

[TheFiend]

Must be a slow figure month.

Sent from my LG-E739 using Tapatalk 2

 

[PopCultKid]

Surprise, surprise, another recaster thread filled with honey wagon posts from freaks with a false sense of entitlement.

Surprise, surprise, surprise... it never takes long in these threads for some mo-mo to come with their "the artists are the real thieves" horse s__t theory and poison our eyes with some bull s__t justification on why they're selfish unscrupulous pricks.

Must be a slow figure month.

Yeaaa... but July is gonna be sick!

 

[thainer]

Surprise, surprise, surprise... it never takes long in these threads for some mo-mo to come with their "the artists are the real thieves" horse s__t theory and poison our eyes with some bull s__t justification on why they're selfish unscrupulous pricks.




I hope that wasn't directed at me. I am all for an artist being paid what the market will bear. I sell stuff all the time (I have to or I'd never get new stuff) and always try to get the best dollar value I can for my work.

My point was, and remains, the best way to keep someone from selling your stuff is to sell it yourself.

This board, while popular and gaining new members all the time, is a fairly insular community. Artists come here and we take them in. We feed them and try our best to keep them safe.

But there are several billion people on the planet who don't know anything about this forum. Some of those people collect figures. So they go to eBay to buy pieces for those figures. It is a shame that people come in her and steal heads and such to sell there but again they are proving there is a market for this stuff outside this comparatively small community.

Let's say, just as an example (someone can crap on it later), that I come up with a new recipe for lemonade. Best recipe ever. Delicious.
I put a stand on my front lawn and sell 20 glasses. One of the guys who buys it tells me he owns a grocery store chain and can put my lemonade in stores all over the country and sell it by the gallon. I tell him, "No thanks. I'll just sell 20 glasses a week from my front lawn."

Does that make any sense from a business perspective? Does that make any sense from a creative perspective where you want to get your hard work and artistry into the hands of as many people as possible who want to own it and appreciate it? I don't think so.

 

[PopCultKid]

I wasn't talking to you brother. I quoted who I was directly talking to but of course I'm talking to anyone on that side of the fence

 

[ShadowX81]

Re: .

i thanked him for the link. as i wrote in response to the pm you sent me -- you have serious issues, sorry. good luck.

Im the only one who wants to directly support Trevor but can't afford to piss away $200 on a freaking doll head just to support a studio full of painters whose services I don't require. And then im told that any "real fan" should be willing to pay however many hundreds of dollars it takes to earn the respect of the rest of the board.

Yea, im the one with issues.

 

[ShortRound]

What ever happened to the "list" of members providing recasters, such as Q, head sculpts to recast? I know there's still some out there.(especially a petty particular someone)

 

[karamazov80]

Re: .

And then im told that any "real fan" should be willing to pay however many hundreds of dollars it takes to earn the respect of the rest of the board.

Who ever said that? The issue with your posts was about your beating a dead horse over and over, not insinuations that you weren't a real fan.

 

[galactiboy]

Re: .

Im the only one who wants to directly support Trevor but can't afford to piss away $200 on a freaking doll head just to support a studio full of painters whose services I don't require. And then im told that any "real fan" should be willing to pay however many hundreds of dollars it takes to earn the respect of the rest of the board.

Yea, im the one with issues.

No you were the one posting the same thing ad nauseam in the thread. Many agreed with you, but others have this little thing called tact.

EDIT KM beat me to it

So more simply just...

 

[ShadowX81]

Re: .

Who ever said that? The issue with your posts was about your beating a dead horse over and over, not insinuations that you weren't a real fan.

I really don't want to go digging through the thread, but I clearly remember a bunch of posts with something to the extent of "Sure, $200 is expensive. But any real fan who is familiar with Q will be willing to pay the price knowing that they are supporting the original artists."

Id really love to buy these things but I (along with a bunch of other people) just can't afford it. What, are we just SOL in this hobby now?

Ive never bought a recast before, but I can't say that im not tempted now given the current market of originals.

 

[karamazov80]

I would argue that those who really respect the artists will not support counterfeiters like Q. I don't think that's a judgment call, it's pretty straight forward. I didn't recall you making the argument that counterfeiting was OK (more just saying how horrible it was that these weren't cheaper). But sure, you can be a real fan of 1/6 toys and still not have much respect for artists and their original work.

I would rather do without and be "SOL" than support bums if those were my two options, but everyone has to make their own decisions there.

 

[ShadowX81]

Don't get me wrong, im not supporting recasts. And when I say this im not referring to you so much as the sentiment in general.

I just think it seems rather elitist to have the attitude that those who can't afford this sudden spike in prices should get left behind if they want to stay in good standing with the board. Seems to be an easy and unfair choice to make on behalf of someone else. Once again, not referring to you specifically.

 

[thenammagazine]

Surprise, surprise, surprise... it never takes long in these threads for some mo-mo to come with their "the artists are the real thieves" horse s__t theory and poison our eyes with some bull s__t justification on why they're selfish unscrupulous pricks.

My post was aimed at a certain group of freaks in particular who feel they're owed custom headsculpts because they missed out on the initial run and shouldn't have to pay the initial high-price, nor the secondary market value, and hence, justify going through the recaster.

 

[Commtech]

What ever happened to the "list" of members proving recasters, such a Q, head sculpts to recast? I know there's still some out there.(especially a petty particular someone)

I agree. We need to see that list along with the people who have supplied and recasted not only Trevor's work, but Imaresqd1's as well, for example.

 

[PopCultKid]

My post was aimed at a certain group of freaks in particular who feel they're owed custom headsculpts because they missed out on the initial run and shouldn't have to pay the initial high-price, nor the secondary market value, and hence, justify going through the recaster.

Oh.



I was pretty sure that you were anti-scumbag from what you were posting in the other recent thread but then you said other things there along with this post that confused me.

Got ya now & agreed.

 

[PopCultKid]

Don't get me wrong, im not supporting recasts. And when I say this im not referring to you so much as the sentiment in general.

I just think it seems rather elitist to have the attitude that those who can't afford this sudden spike in prices should get left behind if they want to stay in good standing with the board. Seems to be an easy and unfair choice to make on behalf of someone else. Once again, not referring to you specifically.

So maybe the people who can't fit a Rainman or Beto figure in their budget should break into someone's house who owns one and take theirs because they want it

I want a Ferarri and a McMansion in Malba but I have to be realistic and content with the fact that it's out of my means

 

[ShadowX81]

But this isn't a ferrarri. This is a doll head that cost $35. The only difference here is that someone is choosing to charge more.

Asking the head to be priced similar to what it once was in no way is stealing.

This is more like the price of a car shooting up to $100,000 because they have outsourced to a construction company that makes garages, and being forced to buy one of those too.

But whatever. Im not getting into this

 

[cameosis]

this is a luxury item -- toys and dolls are leisure/hobby products. there are cheaper toys out there, you are free to buy them.
there are luxury brand cars and there are utitilitarian brand cars -- same with dolls.

do you believe louis vouitton is so expensive because production costs are higher? nonsense, you pay for the brand (and pretty good quality, too, but there is good quality with cheaper products). i don't buy that scheiss, but then i don't complain about it over and over again.

there is no "right" to luxury items, unless you talk collective property and anarchism -- in which case i might be intrigued to hear how you'd want to realize it, because it's a great premise.

"la propriété, c'est le vol / property is theft" (pierre-joseph proudhon)

what you did was attack the painter who offered the sculpts on a personal level. by that, you disqualified yourself for entertaining any further debate, but opted for bickering instead.

i look forward to you reiterating your point over the next ten pages.

 

[Mr.E]

I remember awhile back when a certain well-know sculptor "released" his "Miami serial killer" sculpt. He made it clear that no one was to speak about or post pictures of it...

Yet so many board members publicly show this sculpt off. Whatever happened to cease and desist orders being taken seriously?

Double standards galore it seems. But then again, we're talking about toys here. Sure they're expensive and they look amazing, and sometimes they're limited, but come on. Stop arguing about things that do not matter.

Art counterfeiting has existed for centuries (if not more) and will continue to regardless of all the ranting and complaining that goes on. Stop. Please and thank you.

 

[Mr.E]

Don't watch if you're offended easily.

[ame="https://youtu.be/onqG5OqiilA"]https://youtu.be/onqG5OqiilA[/ame]

 

[karamazov80]

there is no "right" to luxury items, unless you talk collective property and anarchism -- in which case i might be intrigued to hear how you'd want to realize it, because it's a great premise.

"la propriété, c'est le vol / property is theft" (pierre-joseph proudhon)

Now this is a kind of discussion I would like to have, but knowing the forum as I do, I can say with reasonable certainty how it would go. . .and it would be far from interesting.