HT TDKR Blake??

[jdeezy75]

Word. Why not just have it be on a true type? Lol

But yeah a Ras is the biggest hole in ALL of Hot Toys.

You know, I wondered why they released the Scarecrow/Bat Demon set instead of a Scarecrow/Ra's set and then I realized after seeing the blurred out Andrew Garfield sculpt in the ASM thread... they may be getting priced out of the license for a Liam Neeson sculpt. I mean think about it... there was no need for a likeness license on the Scarecrow/Bat Demon set because they didn't even make a Cillian Murphy sculpt and there was no likeness to pay for with the Bat Demon. They've already paid for licenses to do the likenesses of Bale, Ledger, Hathaway, Hardy and Oldman from the Batman franchise. Maybe they won't find it economically sound to pay for licenses to sculpt Neeson, Cotillard, Freeman, or Caine because they think that potentially low demand for these would not offset the licensing costs. Is it possible that just like reruns of movies and TV shows - actors get residuals for using their likeness in statues and figures? I don't know the business well enough, and I could be way off, but that's what I'm thinking is standing in the way of a Ra's figure. And if I'm wrong, just tell me the real reason and don't be an a__hole about it. Just my $0.02.

 

[kl241]

Police officer guy? No thanks.

Exactly. Put a custom JGL head on a T-1000 body and call it a day.

 

[Bucky Underbelly]

You know, I wondered why they released the Scarecrow/Bat Demon set instead of a Scarecrow/Ra's set and then I realized after seeing the blurred out Andrew Garfield sculpt in the ASM thread... they may be getting priced out of the license for a Liam Neeson sculpt. I mean think about it... there was no need for a likeness license on the Scarecrow/Bat Demon set because they didn't even make a Cillian Murphy sculpt and there was no likeness to pay for with the Bat Demon. They've already paid for licenses to do the likenesses of Bale, Ledger, Hathaway, Hardy and Oldman from the Batman franchise. Maybe they won't find it economically sound to pay for licenses to sculpt Neeson, Cotillard, Freeman, or Caine because they think that potentially low demand for these would not offset the licensing costs. Is it possible that just like reruns of movies and TV shows - actors get residuals for using their likeness in statues and figures? I don't know the business well enough, and I could be way off, but that's what I'm thinking is standing in the way of a Ra's figure. And if I'm wrong, just tell me the real reason and don't be an a__hole about it. Just my $0.02.

I posted this in the Gordon SWAT thread. Might answer some questions.

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4726434&postcount=1293

The short answer is, typically, likeness rights are already included as part of an actor's contract with the studios. Collectibles companies don't usually have to pay individual actors an additioanl fee for their likenesses. They pay the studios, who have already paid the actors for those rights as part of their contract. Typically.

(NOTE: I should point out, though, that I have no knowledge about the actors' contracts for these movies. It's just the standard industry practice I'm talking about. I'm just assuming.)

Hope that helps!

 

[Unclechopchop]

Glad Hot Toys makes it so easy for me to not care these days.

Is it the overwhelming feeling that too much is coming out and for redicilous prices, therefore chasing you off?
If so, this is the EXACT feeling I've been having. It's kinda killing the hobby for me.

 

[Njits]

It's starting to feel a bit like the gaming industry, publishers are pushing the consumer so hard with things like: DLC, Online passes, subscription services, summer passes, etc. They are trying to push us as far as they possible can they're pretty much thinking "How much money can we get out of our consumers?". And at this point dlc and the like is so profitable for publishers and developers that the game industry is going towards a free-to-play model, that way money can always be spent. Hot Toys is pushing us right now, they're looking for the roof, how high can they go, so all I can say is vote with your wallet. If all of us agree that the prices are becoming to high we should take a stand and start voting with our wallets, simply don't buy it, I know it's hard but it's the best thing you can do.

 

[g_sculpt]

Ra's first then blake please.

 

[kajobaldisimo]

Should have just named the character D!ck Grayson.

My thought exactly. Detective Richard Grayson. When the woman said 'Robin' in the movie, my mind went 'eh'.

If they called him that, i might consider the figure.

 

[Falconer]

I throw my hat in the ring and join the call for Ra's, not to have him is criminal.

 

[Mister D]

I'll buy it.

It's a pity that Nolan in the end didn't show him wearing, well, you know...

If you remove the figures pants, you'll find he's wearing green panties. Sure its a lace thong, but take what you can get.

 

[intothevoid]

HT Blake is a must. I want both his cop and detective outfits.

HT Ra's is so overdue it's a joke!

HT Bat must happen.

HT Ninja Bruce & Ra's Combo must happen.

HT Training Bruce & Ra's Combo must happen.

Giiiimmee MOOOAARRR!

If they release him I'll buy an extra JGL head and bash an Arthur figure from INCEPTION to go with Leo.

 

[Mister D]

His personality and back story was a lot more like Tim Drake than ____ Grayson...

As for a Blake figure, I'd buy it. I'd rather have a Ra's, but I'd buy both.

I think I'm in the minority on this one, but if they do make a Ra's, I'm hoping for a suited version from the end sequence of Begins.

Tim Drake wasn't an orphan (originally) or a cop. Kid with a criminal father is much more Jason Todd. Discovering Bats ID is Tim Drake. Personality for me was a more mature ____ Grayson/Nightwing. Likely taking up the cowl after Bruce (with a cane) is Terry McGuiness.

As for the name, that was the only way to hide who he was supposed to be. The question is whether the payoff was worth deception, or should it have been acknowleged up front. I suspect if they called him ____ Grayson (or Todd or Drake) it would have hit the internet fast, and everyone would have been expecting a costumed Robin to show up at some point, and people would have been _____ing.

 

[jdeezy75]

I posted this in the Gordon SWAT thread. Might answer some questions.

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4726434&postcount=1293

The short answer is, typically, likeness rights are already included as part of an actor's contract with the studios. Collectibles companies don't usually have to pay individual actors an additioanl fee for their likenesses. They pay the studios, who have already paid the actors for those rights as part of their contract. Typically.

(NOTE: I should point out, though, that I have no knowledge about the actors' contracts for these movies. It's just the standard industry practice I'm talking about. I'm just assuming.)

Hope that helps!

Nice post. I figured that licensing to Hasbro or Kenner or even McDonald's(happy meal toys) would be part of a comprehensive studio licensing deal because, let's face it, the likenesses are never there except for the overall look of say a Batman or even a Kenobi figure(McGregor or Guinness). But these HT releases are hyper-realistic(in most cases) representations of these actors. I thought it might be a different matter, but if you're in the industry then thanks for the info.

 

[intothevoid]

Tim Drake wasn't an orphan (originally) or a cop. Kid with a criminal father is much more Jason Todd. Discovering Bats ID is Tim Drake. Personality for me was a more mature ____ Grayson/Nightwing. Likely taking up the cowl after Bruce (with a cane) is Terry McGuiness.

As for the name, that was the only way to hide who he was supposed to be. The question is whether the payoff was worth deception, or should it have been acknowleged up front. I suspect if they called him ____ Grayson (or Todd or Drake) it would have hit the internet fast, and everyone would have been expecting a costumed Robin to show up at some point, and people would have been _____ing.

He was the Nolanverse version of Robin, a combo of the different comic versions. One of the best parts of the film for me.

Nice post. I figured that licensing to Hasbro or Kenner or even McDonald's(happy meal toys) would be part of a comprehensive studio licensing deal because, let's face it, the likenesses are never there except for the overall look of say a Batman or even a Kenobi figure(McGregor or Guinness). But these HT releases are hyper-realistic(in most cases) representations of these actors. I thought it might be a different matter, but if you're in the industry then thanks for the info.

The only logical explanation for me is that they do not have Neeson's likeness rights.

 

[Mister D]

Oh god no. The fact the film even mentions the name 'Robin' is blashemey. Nolan said he would never include the character and when you discover Blake is Robin it's truely unforgivable. All I can say is thank goodness we DIDN'T see him dressed wearing,well, you know...

I thought I remembered Nolan saying he couldn't see how the character would work in this series, but I don't remember any statement that was absolute as yours. In fact, I can't find a solid quote at all from Nolan on the topic other than him saying Robin would have been too young at the time of BB and TDK.

 

[Mister D]

He was the Nolanverse version of Robin, a combo of the different comic versions. One of the best parts of the film for me.

I sometimes participate on a podcast (Darkdiscussions.com), and on their FB page there was a heated exchange over whether or not he was really Robin (because he wasn't in the costume, and it is debatable which costume he will don). When we did the DKR podcase, my take was that Blake is Essentially Robin if not Actually Robin. I don't see what all the _____ing is about.

 

[intothevoid]

I sometimes participate on a podcast (Darkdiscussions.com), and on their FB page there was a heated exchange over whether or not he was really Robin (because he wasn't in the costume, and it is debatable which costume he will don). When we did the DKR podcase, my take was that Blake is Essentially Robin if not Actually Robin. I don't see what all the _____ing is about.

For me:

John 'Robin' Blake the cop and the detective = Nolanverse Robin

Once Bruce fakes his death, Robin has graduated to Batman 2.0 IMO. That is the entire point of the ending. Batman is a symbol. Anyone can be Batman.


So in this universe there is never a domino mask version of Robin.

 

[jdeezy75]

The only logical explanation for me is that they do not have Neeson's likeness rights.

That's what I was trying to say in my original post, but Bucky Underbelly said it's an all-inclusive licensing deal by the studio and not individual licenses to the actors.

I figured that's why the 10th Anniversary set had Scarecrow with no Cillian Murphy sculpt and Bat-Demon instead of Ra's. No likenesses to pay for at all.

 

[Maglor]

Ra's >>>>>>>>>>> Blake HT's.

I'll buy both.

If they release him I'll buy an extra JGL head and bash an Arthur figure from INCEPTION to go with Leo.

Yes, yes, A THOUSAND TIMES YES.

The fact the film even mentions the name 'Robin' is blashemey. Nolan said he would never include the character and when you discover Blake is Robin it's truely unforgivable.

No.

Spoiler

But he won't become robin anyway. He will be the new batman.

The fact his name is robin is a nod to the sidekick not the fact he will be him.

Yes. People need to read this post ^^^ over and over until they get it into their heads.

 

[Lee in MI]

For me:

John 'Robin' Blake the cop and the detective = Nolanverse Robin

Once Bruce fakes his death, Robin has graduated to Batman 2.0 IMO. That is the entire point of the ending. Batman is a symbol. Anyone can be Batman.


So in this universe there is never a domino mask version of Robin.

Makes the most sense to me. It is even mentioned/ alluded to in TDK...anyone can be Batman. Bruce Wayne, Harvey Dent or John Robin Blake.

 

[Maglor]

For me:

John 'Robin' Blake the cop and the detective = Nolanverse Robin

Once Bruce fakes his death, Robin has graduated to Batman 2.0 IMO. That is the entire point of the ending. Batman is a symbol. Anyone can be Batman.


So in this universe there is never a domino mask version of Robin.

Makes the most sense to me. It is even mentioned/ alluded to in TDK...anyone can be Batman. Bruce Wayne, Harvey Dent or John Robin Blake.

How is it even a question. It's self evident.