Iconic Toys - 1/6 'The Saviour' Collectible Figure

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I don't know why people are getting so down on HT these days. They continually to produce such high quality figures from the biggest franchises of today. I don't understand the mentality of people knocking something just because it's become popular or mainstream.

I don't think it has anything to do with it being mainstream or popular. But if your going to charge top dollar, you'd better get it right. I think maybe people are starting to wake up to just how annoying all the HT boot-licking is. You could crap in a box, slap HT on the label, and everyone would be like, "Ohhh, that's the best turd I've ever seen, HT is awesome, they've done it again, I have everything HT, I have to have this." Slap someone else's logo on it, "What the hell is the point of this?" HT is far from perfect. They have probably the most realistic-looking sculpts, and easily the best paint apps (except the constant dead-eyed stare), but as has been pointed out, Obi-Wan, Han Solo, the Black Widows, among others... do not look like the actors that played them; and it has nothing to do with it being difficult to capture certain people more than others. THAT IS B.S. I went to art school over 30 years ago (for illustration), and was surrounded by all types of artists. Some people are better at say sculpting a car, rather than people, or vice versa, so that is what they worked on. Art is little more than any other eye-hand-coordination skill, like welding, or being a surgeon. It takes hours, years, of practice, but anyone can do it, who puts there mind to it (maybe not the surgeon...) My specialty was people. I could draw a person's likeness from memory, but I couldn't draw a car or a building without a photo reference. The only possible problem with sculpting these likenesses is the size, but then, there are customizers that have made better sculpts than some of the ones put out by HT, so maybe the reason they can't capture a certain likeness, is they've hired the wrong people. They might want to look outside Hong Kong.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with it being mainstream or popular. But if your going to charge top dollar, you'd better get it right. I think maybe people are starting to wake up to just how annoying all the HT boot-licking is. You could crap in a box, slap HT on the label, and everyone would be like, "Ohhh, that's the best turd I've ever seen, HT is awesome, they've done it again, I have everything HT, I have to have this." Slap someone else's logo on it, "What the hell is the point of this?" HT is far from perfect. They have probably the most realistic-looking sculpts, and easily the best paint apps (except the constant dead-eyed stare), but as has been pointed out, Obi-Wan, Han Solo, the Black Widows, among others... do not look like the actors that played them; and it has nothing to do with it being difficult to capture certain people more than others. THAT IS B.S. I went to art school over 30 years ago (for illustration), and was surrounded by all types of artists. Some people are better at say sculpting a car, rather than people, or vice versa, so that is what they worked on. Art is little more than any other eye-hand-coordination skill, like welding, or being a surgeon. It takes hours, years, of practice, but anyone can do it, who puts there mind to it (maybe not the surgeon...) My specialty was people. I could draw a person's likeness from memory, but I couldn't draw a car or a building without a photo reference. The only possible problem with sculpting these likenesses is the size, but then, there are customizers that have made better sculpts than some of the ones put out by HT, so maybe the reason they can't capture a certain likeness, is they've hired the wrong people. They might want to look outside Hong Kong.
Half of the people that work for them are Korean let's remember. Maybe they would just prefer to work with other Asians?

Every company has it's likeness issues, you just have to see Star Ace's latest offerings or ThreeZero, so it's hardly just a HT issue.

Likenesses will always be in the eye of the beholder anyway. I don't see anything wrong with this Neo scuplt at all and yet there are others who will say it isn't quite right.
 
I don't know why people are getting so down on HT these days. They continually to produce such high quality figures from the biggest franchises of today. I don't understand the mentality of people knocking something just because it's become popular or mainstream.

This is a great Matrix figure and I'll be looking to pick it up. As for the cost, it should be well below the price of HT because they haven't had to pay for licensing. That makes a huge difference.


And they don't sell their name too. HT is like Nike or Apple. You don't just buy the figure, you buy the name too. Fortunately, new companies are less greedy.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with it being mainstream or popular. But if your going to charge top dollar, you'd better get it right. I think maybe people are starting to wake up to just how annoying all the HT boot-licking is. You could crap in a box, slap HT on the label, and everyone would be like, "Ohhh, that's the best turd I've ever seen, HT is awesome, they've done it again, I have everything HT, I have to have this." Slap someone else's logo on it, "What the hell is the point of this?" HT is far from perfect. They have probably the most realistic-looking sculpts, and easily the best paint apps (except the constant dead-eyed stare), but as has been pointed out, Obi-Wan, Han Solo, the Black Widows, among others... do not look like the actors that played them; and it has nothing to do with it being difficult to capture certain people more than others. THAT IS B.S. I went to art school over 30 years ago (for illustration), and was surrounded by all types of artists. Some people are better at say sculpting a car, rather than people, or vice versa, so that is what they worked on. Art is little more than any other eye-hand-coordination skill, like welding, or being a surgeon. It takes hours, years, of practice, but anyone can do it, who puts there mind to it (maybe not the surgeon...) My specialty was people. I could draw a person's likeness from memory, but I couldn't draw a car or a building without a photo reference. The only possible problem with sculpting these likenesses is the size, but then, there are customizers that have made better sculpts than some of the ones put out by HT, so maybe the reason they can't capture a certain likeness, is they've hired the wrong people. They might want to look outside Hong Kong.

Unless making a mass production is not like make art, you can do one illustration. Now try hire and coordinate a people to do a huge amount same illustration in tight deadline. Hot Toys is no way bad, whatever you look at they still offers highest quality that 10 years ago people will think not possible. Stop become a hater when in reality no company can reach their level.

JC.Hong , Yuli and any other sculptor on HT are still best sculptors on earth that willing to work on figurine industry. Yeah you can find another sculptors with higher skill but are they willing to work on industry?
 
I don't know why people are getting so down on HT these days. They continually to produce such high quality figures from the biggest franchises of today. I don't understand the mentality of people knocking something just because it's become popular or mainstream.

This is a great Matrix figure and I'll be looking to pick it up. As for the cost, it should be well below the price of HT because they haven't had to pay for licensing. That makes a huge difference.

Personnaly, i still like HOT TOYS a lot but They re doing boring stuff.
Im expecting mad max, riddick, blade runner, rorschach and its more and more iron man and marvel wich i i have no taste for.
but they still do some of the most incredibles figures.
 
This figure is most likely a buy for me but it's probably a one and done for them.

HTs is the King of the 1/6th market...Period. That being said, because they are at the top of the heap, they have less and less resources and opportunities to venture into licenses that will be more niche like Blade Runner and others. Just like any business, they have to concentrate on the product leaders like Star Wars & Marvel. Why? Because it cost them a fortune to obtain these licenses. So they have to put their resources into their bigger investments. Not to mention because they are at the top of their market and charge top dollar, I'm sure their artist, who got them there, are asking to reap the benefits of that success as well. This makes it even less likely that they would tackle less popular licenses due to the risk. It would undoubtedly cost them more to produce those licenses from the stand point of the labor cost alone.
 
This figure is most likely a buy for me but it's probably a one and done for them.

HTs is the King of the 1/6th market...Period. That being said, because they are at the top of the heap, they have less and less resources and opportunities to venture into licenses that will be more niche like Blade Runner and others. Just like any business, they have to concentrate on the product leaders like Star Wars & Marvel. Why? Because it cost them a fortune to obtain these licenses. So they have to put their resources into their bigger investments. Not to mention because they are at the top of their market and charge top dollar, I'm sure their artist, who got them there, are asking to reap the benefits of that success as well. This makes it even less likely that they would tackle less popular licenses due to the risk. It would undoubtedly cost them more to produce those licenses from the stand point of the labor cost alone.

Exactly right. And we can look at it this way, HT isn't the only game in town anymore, so LET them focus on Star Wars and Marvel, they're the ones that can afford it, and we can be happy we are getting high end collectibles from those licenses (this coming from a guy who has never bought an Iron Man figure).

So while HT is busy doing the insanely expensive licenses, these other, smaller companies can grab the cheaper ones (or not), and produce a wider ranger of figures from more and more licenses, and frankly the quality of ALL the companies are getting better every day, and many of them rival HT already.

We're living in a golden age of collecting! The figures I've gotten excited for over the past year are Star Ace's HP line, Asmus' LotR, Sideshow's Evil Dead II (still waiting after a year and a half), and these one-off characters from small companies. I've bought a few HTs this year, but I just don't get as excited for them anymore.
 
I REALLY hope they don't get a cease and desist notice! :lol Because this looks great.
 
This is why i support quality unlicenced figure like these, affordable, well made.
Nice to not always hjave to go the expensive custom route.
 
Unless making a mass production is not like make art, you can do one illustration. Now try hire and coordinate a people to do a huge amount same illustration in tight deadline. Hot Toys is no way bad, whatever you look at they still offers highest quality that 10 years ago people will think not possible. Stop become a hater when in reality no company can reach their level?

OH. MY. GOD. Please tell me your not naive enough to think they have sweat shop workers resculpting thousands of these little heads based on what JC Hong and company are doing. They make one sculpt per figure, and then make hundreds of molds off that sculpt to cast however many HS they deem necessary.

And never assume someone is a hater just because they are observant. Just under a 1/4 of my collection is HT, so I do like their stuff, I'm just not so much of a sycophant that I'm willing to throw away $250-300 blindly on anything/everything HT just because their label is slapped on the box. I'm selective in my collecting, and I don't just throw my money at one company.
 
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