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InArt: 1/6 Superman (Cavill)
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Has it really been that long?!
I just realized, we haven’t even gotten another solo Superman movie since MoS.
I'm going to be holding this to such a high standard, that I'm going to be disappointed no matter what they do. I'm all in for whatever super-premium-deluxe-mega-rooted version they do.
That’s the spirit!!!
bye bye HT version
Self defeating to want Superman Legacy to fail. When was the last universally loved Superman movie. Superman 2?
WB already think they have to include Batman to sell tickets. More box office bombs will only confirm that in their minds.
Not really. I want to see Snyder's story finished. If Gunn's DCU does well that won't happen. If it doesn't, it might. The DCU can burn in hell.
The execs will make up whatever reason they to explain why something fails. Hell, Snyder left 6 years ago and it's still his fault.
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It could be that the brighter colored suit in theater release JL is mainly the product of studio intervention, namely Geoff Johns, yeah.
You’re right that it should not automatically be assumed that Zack would have wanted this to finish out Superman’s arc in the five film saga. But as a commentary on the superhero genre, I suspect that Zack actually wanted to surprise folks, or subversively defy expectations, etc., by actually embracing and celebrating the highly fantastical elements of superhero mythology, of comic books, in JL 3. Like I think JL 3 was going to be a love letter to all that. That’s just my speculation though.
I suspect that because with Watchmen Zack did not arrive at the same final conclusion about what superhero mythology means psychologically that Alan Moore did. Moore thinks superhero mythology is pathetic for adults to escape into. Zack appreciates them as archetypes through the lens of the hero’s journey, and they therefore have a “numinous” quality, a kind of “cool factor” as our modern day gods and goddesses.
This is akin to being dumped by your ex, praying her new boyfriend is a POS so she leaves him then comes back to you...or you just move on and everyone is happy.
Move on dude, I have and I'm a HUGE Cavill fan.
I think comparing it to adult relationships is a huge leap. Sure the idea is similar in loss, hope and disappointment but in reality, they are completely different.
Franchises have changed direction and gone back before. These Snyder DC movies are my favourite movies and I think Gunn makes trash. There's nothing here to make me want to support it.
I have accepted it's not happening but that doesn't mean I'm going to support the new one.
So do I but Superman Legacy failing will not make them go crawling back to Snyder.
MoS was a modest box office success yet WB still felt they had to bring in Batman to sell the sequel. After that it was just cameos for Superman.
Supes needs a billion+ movie to convince the execs he can stand on his own again.
Anyway I'm glad this is the BvS suit. Hopefully the same for Batman. His suits regressed badly after BvS. InArt need to make all three suits. Regular, Knightmare, Armoured.
Wonder Woman looked good in all her suits so don't mind which direction they go there. Just get her likeness spot on.
We don't know what they will do if Legacy fails, do we?
They have mentioned they have a backup plan. Granted that could be anything. My point is what is more likely to create a scenario where they do go back to Snyder, success or failure?
I don't think there's any point in going over what the movie should make and what constitutes a success because it has been done to death. I will say that Jay Oliva stated that he knew Batman was going to be in the 2nd movie BEFORE MoS came out. The success of the movie had no bearing on Batman being in it. If they weren't happy with BvS bringing in 872 million why would they think sticking Batman in a Superman movie is the answer now?
Historically the WB cash cow has been Batman, the last Batman didn't clear 800 million and its fans think it's the best thing ever. Why would a new Superman movie suddenly do 1 billion? What superhero movie that is the first movie in its perspective franchise ever come close to doing that?
I wouldn't say they regressed badly because all of them are great, they just aren't BvS level.
They have mentioned they have a backup plan. Granted that could be anything. My point is what is more likely to create a scenario where they do go back to Snyder, success or failure?
I don't think there's any point in going over what the movie should make and what constitutes a success because it has been done to death. I will say that Jay Oliva stated that he knew Batman was going to be in the 2nd movie BEFORE MoS came out. The success of the movie had no bearing on Batman being in it. If they weren't happy with BvS bringing in 872 million why would they think sticking Batman in a Superman movie is the answer now?
Historically the WB cash cow has been Batman, the last Batman didn't clear 800 million and its fans think it's the best thing ever. Why would a new Superman movie suddenly do 1 billion? What superhero movie that is the first movie in its perspective franchise ever come close to doing that?
I wouldn't say they regressed badly because all of them are great, they just aren't BvS level.
Whether you loved or hated Snyder's DC, wanting Gunn's Superman to fail isn't good for the DC fans. I don't know why anybody would want that regardless where your loyalty lies. I would have wanted to see Cavill continue as Supes but it's done. Time to move on and hope for a better future for the franchise.
I do hope Inart doesn't take 3 months or longer for the full reveal.
I do hope Inart doesn't take 3 months or longer for the full reveal.
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It's also not everyones style to bow to what studios dish out and simply take it.
I'm voting with my wallet.
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I am more than a little worried about Legacy. It already seems overloaded consisting of established characters, now confirming the Authority will also appear and Gunn's childish humor doesn't fit Superman. This should be the start of the new DCU, not a multi-character introduction movie who will get their own spin offs in the future .....BvS/Rush to JL
WB running back to Snyder with their tail between their legs would be hilarious but chances are also slim. Even if they did, he retooled ZSJL to give the snyderverse somewhat of an ending. Scrapping the subplots, the Lois/Bruce relationship and other plans he had for his pentalogy, knowing ZSJL was more than likely the last and only chance he had to wrap things up.
Don't get me wrong, ZSJL was miles better that Josstice League but not the savior of the genre it was made out to be. Ultimately, the only person responsible for the fall of the snyderverse is snyder himself. WB's management, or lack of it, certainly didnt help. But when your vision isn't connecting with fans, after MoS and BvS underperformed financially and critically, adjustments need to be made. Refusing to do so and then going to WB with a 4 hr long cut of JL was the last straw for them. They weren't going to throw more cash into what they saw as a sinking ship.
WB running back to Snyder with their tail between their legs would be hilarious but chances are also slim. Even if they did, he retooled ZSJL to give the snyderverse somewhat of an ending. Scrapping the subplots, the Lois/Bruce relationship and other plans he had for his pentalogy, knowing ZSJL was more than likely the last and only chance he had to wrap things up.
Don't get me wrong, ZSJL was miles better that Josstice League but not the savior of the genre it was made out to be. Ultimately, the only person responsible for the fall of the snyderverse is snyder himself. WB's management, or lack of it, certainly didnt help. But when your vision isn't connecting with fans, after MoS and BvS underperformed financially and critically, adjustments need to be made. Refusing to do so and then going to WB with a 4 hr long cut of JL was the last straw for them. They weren't going to throw more cash into what they saw as a sinking ship.
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Gunn knows full well that fans don't matter. That's why he is doing exactly what he wants. Did anyone ask for any of this ??
In any case, back to the Cavill figure we clearly all want.
I only really care for Snyder's DC.
This will probably be the 1st Inart figure I skip but still cool to see.
I get that, people like that they like. But to want something to fail just because it replaces what you like is crazy talk. Who would wish for bad content?It's also not everyones style to bow to what studios dish out and simply take it.
I'm voting with my wallet.
If it was anyone else I might have an interest in seeing what happens. It's replacing what I want AND it's by an awful (imo) filmmaker.
If you heard it was Uwe Boll making the next Superman where would your expectations be?
And you think that because? There needs to be a balance between a creative director's vision and what the fans want. If he can make it good and cohesive, we all win. My preference is he sticks true to Superman's character and significantly tone down his signature Gunn humor.
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I wonder, with Star Wars, the current state of the MCU, Star Trek, DC ... is any fan-base actually happy right now?
This piece will be phenomenal in execution and price.
