Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)

[Mandible]

And BTW - enough with the "male" "sexist" blah, blah, blah, default retaliation nonsense.

Do you like golf? If you don't you're clearly a golfist!

Everybody is entitled to a different opinion, it doesn't make them an ist or phobe. I like black, you like pink... it's all good.

What a pathetic, precious little world we live in

 

[jye4ever]

A theatre?

I don't have any inclination to watch any film in one of those. I haven't set foot in one since 1992.

I prefer to avoid people as much as possible, plus the idea of planning to watch something at a specific time in a specific place is completely alien to me.

Wait, so…

NO JP 1!

NO True Lies!

NO Heat!

NO Independence Day!

NO Blade 1!

NO Blade 2!

NO Saving Private Ryan!

NO Fellowship of the Rings!

NO Two Towers!

NO Return of the King!

NO X2!

NO Spiderman 1!

NO Spiderman 2!

NO 300!

NO Avatar 1

NO Dredd 1

NO BB!

NO TDK!

NO Casino Royale!

NO The Force Awakens!

NO RO!

NO MOS!

NO BvS!

NO WW 1!

NO IM 1!

NO TIH!

NO Thor 1!

NO Cap 1

NO GOTG 1

NO TWS!

NO CW!

NO Avengers 1!

NO IW!

NO EG!

NO NWH!

NO TB!

NO TGM!

NO Avatar 2!

NO JW4!

NO GOTG3!

NO Return of Keaton!

NONE OF THOSE IN THEIR GLORIOUS CINEMATIC EXPERIENCES!!!

 

[greygoose]

Seeing this tonight. Wasn't overly fussed about seeing it however I'm seeing it with the family so felt like I had to go. I must admit that my anticipation levels have risen over the week. Hopefully it's enjoyable.

 

[greygoose]

Wait, so…

NO JP 1!

NO True Lies!

NO Heat!

NO Independence Day!

NO Blade 1!

NO Blade 2!

NO Saving Private Ryan!

NO Fellowship of the Rings!

NO Two Towers!

NO Return of the King!

NO X2!

NO Spiderman 1!

NO Spiderman 2!

NO 300!

NO Avatar 1

NO Dredd 1

NO BB!

NO TDK!

NO Casino Royale!

NO The Force Awakens!

NO RO!

NO MOS!

NO BvS!

NO WW 1!

NO IM 1!

NO TIH!

NO Thor 1!

NO Cap 1

NO GOTG 1

NO TWS!

NO CW!

NO Avengers 1!

NO IW!

NO EG!

NO NWH!

NO TB!

NO TGM!

NO Avatar 2!

NO JW4!

NO GOTG3!

NO Return of Keaton!

NONE OF THOSE IN THEIR GLORIOUS CINEMATIC EXPERIENCES!!!

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[Asta]

Half way through and it isn't particularly different from any other Indiana Jones film.

No "isms". Just the usual over the top chase sequences, set pieces and gags.

The first ten minutes in 1944 was the most appealing, then it's onto Indy's last hurrah, which begins depressingly because he's stuck in the past while everyone around him is looking to the future.

Nothing truly special or magical so far, and nothing offensive either. It's naturally derivative, because if you've seen an Indiana Jones film before, then you've seen this one.

 

[Otomofan]

People are holding up the prologue as "the best part" and "worth it on its own" etc etc.

Surely I couldn't have been the only one to notice how odd it was to hear Indy's slower, softer, slurrier, elderly senior citizen voice coming out of his "young" face.

I guess they didn't deep fake his voice the way they did with Mark Hamill's or Iceman's in "Maverick."

I'm dying to make a retort about that post copy-pasted from Fleabag's publicist, but I really do love this forum and I don't wanna get banned.

 

[Mandible]

People are holding up the prologue as "the best part" and "worth it on its own" etc etc.

Surely I couldn't have been the only one to notice how odd it was to hear Indy's slower, softer, slurrier, elderly senior citizen voice coming out of his "young" face.

I guess they didn't deep fake his voice the way they did with Mark Hamill's or Iceman's in "Maverick."

I'm dying to make a retort about that post copy-pasted from Fleabag's publicist, but I really do love this forum and I don't wanna get banned.

What happened?

 

[Asta]

Never mind continental drift, Voller made a schoolboy error that would've doomed his plan.

Spoiler

He was going to travel to 20th August 1939, but he put an Iron Cross Second Class ribbon on his Allgemeine SS uniform.

The award wasn't instituted until 1st September 1939 when Germany invaded Poland. He should've used the 1914 black and white ribbon.

What a silly Nazi.

 

[Mandible]

The curiosity was killing me after some positive comments here, so I just watched it and there's only two good things I can say about it: 1, I didn't waste money on it, and 2, I've highlighted at the bottom.

I'll pull my head in - it's not as bad as I thought it would be (TLJ, ROS, BOBF, Obi Wan), but as many are saying, it's just nothing. I wasn't even enamored with that opening scene, I just felt ambivalent the whole way.

And the only truly obnoxious bit from Fleabag is the "I'm beautiful, resilient, etc" line. Cut that line and she wouldn't come across so badly.

My biggest gripes are:

It's deadpan as ****. There's no energy, life, fun, enjoyment... just numbing.
The bad guys just show up out of nowhere with no possible way to know where the good guys would have been.
The third act... Oh. My. God. It's laughably bad. A new level of "what were they thinking." Horrendous. Even the worst of Crystal Skull doesn't touch this (okay, it does ).

Only bit I guenuinely liked was when they were on the boat and Indy is talking about his son. Other than that... I'll never watch it again.

Overall a 2/10 for me.

 

[Otomofan]

I was just referring to that very insincere-sounding love letter to WallerBridge that someone posted and it's one of the more baffling things I've ever read on this site, but I don't wanna address it cause we'll all start arguing and it'll get bad and the whole thread will get nuked.

I found her presence in this movie nauseating, and at least half of that was cause of the smug look of self-satisfaction on her face in every single frame she was in, but it had nothing to do with her being a "woman." The character itself was thoroughly loathsome and it had nothing to do with her gender. Her part could have easily been played by a guy and it still would have been nauseating.

Just imagine if they'd cast any other Hollywood "It" person in the role. Timothy Chalomet, for example. Just imagine him sitting in Indy's class with that smirk on his face, sass-mouthing all the answers back to the professor and just wallowing in his own smugness. And then he keeps that attitude up the entire movie. Laughing and condescending Indy, even right after getting Indy's friends killed. Truly despicable. Would that character have been any less detestable just cause it's a guy and not a girl? Not in my eyes.

 

[matrix69]

The first 20 mins is the only thing better, after that it becomes incredibly average. Take the 20 minute opening flashback out, and the rest of the film is worse than KotCS IMO. The sidekick should have been Short Round, not his overbearing and patronising god daughter. Another missed opportunity from the creative geniuses at Lucasfilm.

Alas, if only they had made a 90 minute movie with a young CGI Indy. Maybe in a few years time when they've perfected the technology we'll get new movies with de-aged old movie stars... Connery as Bond again

And yep, they missed a trick in not bringing back Shortround. He should have at least got a cameo.

What? It's not possible... how is it possible? No.... no. no. no. no!

 

[Asta]

The curiosity was killing me after some positive comments here, so I just watched it and there's only two good things I can say about it: 1, I didn't waste money on it, and 2, I've highlighted at the bottom.

I'll pull my head in - it's not as bad as I thought it would be (TLJ, ROS, BOBF, Obi Wan), but as many are saying, it's just nothing. I wasn't even enamored with that opening scene, I just felt ambivalent the whole way.

And the only truly obnoxious bit from Fleabag is the "I'm beautiful, resilient, etc" line. Cut that line and she wouldn't come across so badly.

My biggest gripes are:

It's deadpan as ****. There's no energy, life, fun, enjoyment... just numbing.
The bad guys just show up out of nowhere with no possible way to know where the good guys would have been.
The third act... Oh. My. God. It's laughably bad. A new level of "what were they thinking." Horrendous. Even the worst of Crystal Skull doesn't touch this (okay, it does ).

Only bit I guenuinely liked was when they were on the boat and Indy is talking about his son. Other than that... I'll never watch it again.

Overall a 2/10 for me.

Trouble is that most of us have seen it all before many times. These films are like Malibu Stacy wearing a new hat.

What draws me into a film are the characters, their interactions, and the scenery/locations. Preferably an interesting journey too. DoD doesn't have much of anything outstanding.

Disney is an unrepentant milker of properties. If they owned a dairy farm they'd be prosecuted for animal cruelty, because they'll milk anything to death (i.e., Star Wars).

At least Harrison's hung up the fedora now.

Spoiler

 

[matrix69]

No, I’m not speaking subjectively I’m speaking objectively about Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s near universal acclaim.

I wasn’t a big fan of fleabag, but it seems the critical and mass audience consensus disagrees with me and I can’t argue behind her talent.

Single-handedly she had received best writing, acting and best series awards… britanica outstanding artist of the year… time magazine most influential people…

She is one of the most coveted talents in Hollywood. For example Daniel Craig refused to continue with No Time to Die unless Phoebe was brought in to rewrite most of the script knowing her voice was imperative to bring credibility to that project.

No one can “Mary sue” argue her out of this.
Like it or not, she’s one of the most credible and coveted choices for a film like this.

Her agreeing to be in this film is actually kind of a big deal… She doesn’t need it, she actually brings the role and the film up.

She's only acclaimed by those who are working within the industry. It's only the selective few who think she's the second coming. She's flavour of the month for the times that are in it.
Most ordinary Joes either don't know who she is or don't care. Besides Fleabag, an annoying cameo in SOLO, badly rewriting a Bond script and being a mary sue in an Indy pic, there's not a whole lot of talent there.

 

[The Buffinator]

I was just referring to that very insincere-sounding love letter to WallerBridge that someone posted and it's one of the more baffling things I've ever read on this site, but I don't wanna address it cause we'll all start arguing and it'll get bad and the whole thread will get nuked.

I found her presence in this movie nauseating, and at least half of that was cause of the smug look of self-satisfaction on her face in every single frame she was in, but it had nothing to do with her being a "woman." The character itself was thoroughly loathsome and it had nothing to do with her gender. Her part could have easily been played by a guy and it still would have been nauseating.

Just imagine if they'd cast any other Hollywood "It" person in the role. Timothy Chalomet, for example. Just imagine him sitting in Indy's class with that smirk on his face, sass-mouthing all the answers back to the professor and just wallowing in his own smugness. And then he keeps that attitude up the entire movie. Laughing and condescending Indy, even right after getting Indy's friends killed. Truly despicable. Would that character have been any less detestable just cause it's a guy and not a girl? Not in my eyes.

Wow, talk about misreading a scene. She wasn't even one of his students and yet was the only one to enthusiastically engage with him on the subject while all of his actual students showed total disinterest. And rather than being sassy and smug she was slowly, incredulously realizing that he didn't remotely recognize his own god daughter. Indy's character didn't find her off-putting in that instance so why would you? It's fine to not like Waller-Bridge (she's not everyone's cup of tea), but that shouldn't color your interpretation of everything her character does. Helena obviously admired Indy and his chosen pursuits/methods ever since she was young, to the point that she grew up to be a female version of him (with a bit of Belloq thrown in lol). Seems counter-intuitive to me to find her despicable. Now if she ended up MORE like Belloq I'd get it but in the end she didn't, as Indy helped her remember what's truly important, much like Henry Jones Sr. did for him in TLC.

 

[Mandible]

but it had nothing to do with her being a "woman." The character itself was thoroughly loathsome and it had nothing to do with her gender. Her part could have easily been played by a guy and it still would have been nauseating.

Just imagine if they'd cast any other Hollywood "It" person in the role. Timothy Chalomet, for example. Just imagine him sitting in Indy's class with that smirk on his face, sass-mouthing all the answers back to the professor and just wallowing in his own smugness. And then he keeps that attitude up the entire movie. Laughing and condescending Indy, even right after getting Indy's friends killed. Truly despicable. Would that character have been any less detestable just cause it's a guy and not a girl? Not in my eyes.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A **** is a ****, male or female.

I'm so sick of the default name calling from the advocates.

I could list 1000 female characters that I've loved in film/tv/books, etc, as I can list 1000 male characters I've absolutely despised because of poor writing and/or obnoxious acting/actors.

 

[matrix69]

I was just referring to that very insincere-sounding love letter to WallerBridge that someone posted and it's one of the more baffling things I've ever read on this site, but I don't wanna address it cause we'll all start arguing and it'll get bad and the whole thread will get nuked.

I found her presence in this movie nauseating, and at least half of that was cause of the smug look of self-satisfaction on her face in every single frame she was in, but it had nothing to do with her being a "woman." The character itself was thoroughly loathsome and it had nothing to do with her gender. Her part could have easily been played by a guy and it still would have been nauseating.

Just imagine if they'd cast any other Hollywood "It" person in the role. Timothy Chalomet, for example. Just imagine him sitting in Indy's class with that smirk on his face, sass-mouthing all the answers back to the professor and just wallowing in his own smugness. And then he keeps that attitude up the entire movie. Laughing and condescending Indy, even right after getting Indy's friends killed. Truly despicable. Would that character have been any less detestable just cause it's a guy and not a girl? Not in my eyes.

Smugness sums her up perfectly. With no likeable character traits. Sadly in the current climate, if you criticise a female character/actress you get called out with the same old juvenile nonsense of being a misogynist old fart.

 

[Mandible]

Smugness sums her up perfectly. With no likeable character traits. Sadly in the current climate, if you criticise a female character/actress you get called out with the same old juvenile nonsense of being a misogynist old fart.

Don't forget boomer!

Love that one - particularly when the dumb ***** don't even know the correct era/generation!

 

[The Rogster]

Spoiler

Movie was meh. Indy was a scared old man and that was tough to see.
CGI and his voice when de-aged was distracting.
Phoebe did not bother me. She was a bit smug and she was an ******* leaving Indy for dead a couple times but that’s how it goes sometimes. Not everyone is noble. Some good people are still cowards.

They really were going to hand the mantle down to her though. They worked hard to make her act like a young Indy, even giving her a Shortround!
Overall, worst Indy film yet. A couple of good parts but not much to it. Oh! And how did Mads even survive the opening train sequence? That was ridiculous and it never got explained.
I also found it interesting that it ended a lot like KOTCS. He’s living happily ever after with Marion, and making you think the hat is hung up, but then he grabs it again.

 

[DiFabio]

Best Indy movie of the 5. Loved it. Helena Shaw is my favorite character next to Sallag.

My ranking,

DOD
KOTCS
LAST CRUSADE
DOOM
RAIDERS

Bravo Mangold, bravo.

 

[Otomofan]

My youtube feed is full of the usual suspects as well as dozens of unknown wannabes all touting this movie as "Disney's supreme FLOP!!" "Kathleen Kennedy's DISASTER!!" "Box office BOMB!!" etc. etc.

I hated this turd of a movie too, but there's no reason to lie about it. It's been out for less than 24 hours. There's no way to know if it's a flop or not. It'll probably make decent money. Mindless crap usually does, especially in the summer.

They all said the same thing about "Little Mermaid." Apparently it's a "box office disaster!!" Is it? I thought it was performing well. My eight year old niece saw it and she loved it. Isn't that the most important thing?

If you wanna make videos calling this movie a tasteless, ugly cash grab, by all means...do it. I agree. but at least wait until Sunday night before judging it by box office. Sheesh.