Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)

[Mondragon]

that british actress is Kathleen Kennedy self inserts.

I don't know what you mean, there is no indication of that.

Actual was the one to get the DS plans, and gave the only Hope to the Rebellion.
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Actual was the one to bring about the Return of the Jedi, where Luke was a complete neutered POS coward failure.
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Actually figured everything out, saved and gave the otherwise useless and resigned Indian Jones a reason to live.
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There is no pattern or message being telegraphed here at all.
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[Felinx]

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Well they didn’t elaborate on how Voller’s assuming Hitler’s place was going to work, so all we’re left with is conjecture. Without that info debating it further is rather pointless. I can definitely see how it could be interpreted as you have done, I just don’t think that was Mangold & company’s intent. Also by 1969 Voller had evolved beyond the weak science geek we saw in 1944, so I think that coupled with his knowledge of the future would have made him quite dangerous and formidable. At least that’s what they likely wanted us to believe. Looks like they’ll have to settle for a 50% success rate on that one.

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It's just weird that Mangold and Co. didn't even have to do it. It could have simply been that Voller wanted to go back in time with his modern knowledge and science know-how to help Hitler win the war.

They instead chose to make him want to kill Hitler and assume the leadership, thereby cementing the core idea that Indy's goal is to stop a man who plans to kill Hitler. And if Indy fails and the bad guy wins, Hitler will die in 1939.

All conjecture aside, that just reads as very, very weird - especially for the final Indy movie.

 

[meanstreak]

Spoiler article and first official still of returning character at the end.

Spoiler

https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...ndiana-jones-dial-of-destiny-marion-ravenwood

 

[Felinx]

At the 7pm show in our area's largest theater. Show starts in 15 minutes. Not even a quarter full.
First time in a theater in a few years. Weird feeling of dread instead of excitement.

From Deadline:

Disney/Lucasfilm’s Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is still bound to open at the bottom of end of tracking’s projection of $60M as this morning. I saw an estimate in The Flash vicinity of $55M last night and took an Alka Seltzer out of shock. Hopefully, Dial of Destiny doesn’t fall apart tonight, and at least stays on course for a Mission: Impossible – Fallout type opening in the $60M range over three days. That figure might be good for exhibition and popcorn sales over the five-day holiday weekend, but it stinks for a movie that has a reported cost of $250M to near $300M before P&A.

However, since the movie premiered to lackluster reviews at Cannes, and landed like a wet towel on tracking three weeks ago, and didn’t budge its projections despite having significantly louder marketing and publicity global campaign than The Flash, including $90M from promotional partners — it’s been baffling how a storied franchise can end on a downer note at the box office in its finale.

 

[Khev]

From Deadline:

it’s been baffling how a storied franchise can end on a downer note at the box office in its finale.

I don't think it's baffling when the "storied franchise" hasn't been relevant for decades even if the finale is good. Mad Max, Blade Runner, Rambo, and now Indy. Top Gun seems to be the one lone outlier in that regard.

 

[Felinx]

I don't think it's baffling when the "storied franchise" hasn't been relevant for decades even if the finale is good. Mad Max, Blade Runner, Rambo, and now Indy. Top Gun seems to be the one lone outlier in that regard.

From same Deadline story:

"...despite its blockbuster success in a stadium-seating, vibrant exhibition era, not many people liked Crystal Skull — hello, B CinemaScore. And that sequel, too, also doted and joked around about Indy going gray. Unlike 007, the same actor has always played Indiana Jones. The franchise’s legacy with Ford has prevented it from being rebooted with a new leading actor.

Which leads us to Dial of Destiny‘s meh results. Why so low? Because it’s coming off of a sequel not many loved, and it’s playing the same game of Indiana Jones getting older. Couple that with sour reviews coming out of Cannes, plus the finale’s older skewing audience (42% over 45) who are slow to come to cinemas, and here we are with a less-than-stellar box office result."

 

[Wor-Gar]

Maybe Lucasfilm/Disney wishes they had a time-machine dial right about now.

 

[Khev]

The 1944 sequence wasn't perfect - I actually thought the Mads de-ageing stood out as looking pretty wonky in places, whereas HF's mostly looked quite close spot-on, even to a point where they were able to mimic iconic Indy smirks, etc which was amazing. The tech we see in DoD was also produced 2 years ago and its improving with each try.

To me young Stark in Civil War and young Hank Pym were significantly better so LFL still seems to have trouble matching the bar set by Marvel for whatever reason.

 

[Gipetto0812]

Something to keep in mind is that along with 1989's Batman TLC just doesn't rank that high for me so I'm always a bit surprised to see it so often listed as the 2nd best Indy flick over TOD. So me saying DOD is 3rd probably isn't as high a praise as if most other people ranked it 3rd.

Same. For me, DoD is about on par with TLC. I think depending on my mood, one will top the other from time to time. As a kid, I always found TLC to be quite boring. It's only as I've gotten older that I appreciate it more now.

Going back to this for a second I agree but at least Ford is surprisingly ripped for an 80 year old man and after being so jaded by watching Boba Fett "sliding around on the floor in a diaper like a slimy newborn" (lol Wor-Gar ) Indy's super brief scene of him standing up and quickly throwing a shirt on didn't bother me at all, lol.

Agreed. I work with a lot of geriatric clients and most of them are either incredibly thin and sickly looking or very overweight. None tend to look as healthy as Ford did in the movie.

that british actress is Kathleen Kennedy self inserts.

Yup. Her and her sidekick could've been axed from the movie and it would've been instantly better.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The Michael Douglas one was great! But then, Michael's voice has always had that raspy edge even when he was fighting on the Streets of San Francisco. So that helps.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Wow, didn't know that - I assumed it was digitally done. That's eerie but cool he sounds so much like him.

But yeah that Val doc had me in tears. I'd also recommend the Garry Shandling doc.

Seen it. Fantastic too.

I still rewatch Larry Sanders to this day, one of the greatest shows ever made.

 

[Gipetto0812]

To me young Stark in Civil War and young Hank Pym were significantly better so LFL still seems to have trouble matching the bar set by Marvel for whatever reason.

The Michael Douglas one was great! But then, Michael's voice has always had that raspy edge even when he was fighting on the Streets of San Francisco. So that helps.

To add, I thought Sam Jackson's de-aging in Captain Marvel was also pretty good and among the top ones.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Yep, and SLJ was for an entire movie. Again, his voice has not changed. Then again, neither has his face much.

 

[Felinx]

Maybe Lucasfilm/Disney wishes they had a time-machine dial right about now.

If I had a time machine I'd go back and convince HF to do another Indy movie or Star Wars movie during the mid-late 1990s by showing him how well "Retarding Henry" (along with "Forever Young," the great JJ Abrams' breakthrough movie), "Sabrina," "Random Hearts" and "Six Days Seven Nights" have held up.

 

[Mondragon]

"Retarding Henry"

 

[Wor-Gar]

You just can't do this today.

 

[jedibear]

Just got out. Thoughts later. I'm a little in shock. Just stunned how bad it was.

Glad for those who dug this, but I haven't reacted to a movie like this since Rise of Skywalker.

Just f'n stunned.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Just stunned how bad it was.

Just f'n stunned.

Oh no...

 

[Felinx]

Oh no...

Khev getting jedibear all hyped for DoD...

 

[Wor-Gar]

jedibear is a super mod now... Khev's opinion could be construed for an infraction.