Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)

[Felinx]

80 year old Indy beat 60 year old Ethan Hunt. Yippee!

 

[Tbolt]

The people that want everyone else to hate this movie are the loudest in this thread, and that has been the case surrounding this movie elsewhere. People concerned this is the start of old Indy movies and therefore don’t want to support this are equally clueless. You know why this exists? The only way they were able to get Ford back to reprise his role as Han Solo was to agree to green light one last Indy movie. He didn’t want to leave the character where it was after KOTCS. He literally negotiated one last ride and is on record as saying this is it.

It just topped 302 million at the box office worldwide. Overseas has been strong which is no wonder considering it released overseas later. Toxicity killed this movie domestically.

But I think it will be fondly regarded and a hit at home. That’s not to say it’s going to make a lot of money, just avoiding being a Flash level disaster (which was also better than the box office bomb it received).

People wanted to hate this movie and it kept others from seeing it. That happens. But it’s a worthy addition to the franchise. I’ll gladly watch it and probably buy it, which I never wanted to do with KOTCS, something I only saw a second time because my kid wanted to watch them all.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Cool featurette on the effects!

 

[davejames]

So cool to see how they put all that effort into making this feel like a classic Indy adventure... for the opening sequence only.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Would really love to see that opening again. Looking forward to September.

 

[VanHelscwing]

 

[Wor-Gar]

When I saw MI7 yesterday, a couple seated behind me were amazed at how many people were headed for the Dial of Destiny theater and kept commenting on it.

In Los Angeles, Disney is strong-arming and forcing theaters to keep Dial in good theaters until Oppenheimer, thus leaving MI7 with some soggy choices of venues.

 

[Khev]

When I saw MI7 yesterday, a couple seated behind me were amazed at how many people were headed for the Dial of Destiny theater and kept commenting on it.

You should have turned and said "Yeah well none of them watched Avatar The Way of Water WITH JAMES CAMERON, now shut up" and then gone back to watching the movie.

 

[Rotfish]

You know why this exists? The only way they were able to get Ford back to reprise his role as Han Solo was to agree to green light one last Indy movie. He didn’t want to leave the character where it was after KOTCS. He literally negotiated one last ride and is on record as saying this is it.

I thought he only agreed to reprise his role if Solo could get killed off. Maybe that was fan conjecture.

 

[Felinx]

Did DoD really only make $3m in China?

 

[davejames]

I mean did Disney really think this would hold up well against the likes of Mission Impossible and Oppenheimer? There were some pretty long stretches this year when there was nothing of interest in the theaters, so I'm sure it would have done a lot better then. And I probably would have been a lot more tempted to see it a second time myself, with no better options out there.

 

[Tbolt]

I thought he only agreed to reprise his role if Solo could get killed off. Maybe that was fan conjecture.

Oh he had been lobbying to have Han killed off since the pre trilogy days. He wanted him killed off in the Return of the Jedi because he thought the movie lacked Gravitas and it would give his character a complete Arc. He never wanted to reprise the role of Han. When he made the deal to get a 5th Indy I was suspicious that he had enough time to make it happen. I think the studio may have had the same thoughts, but it exists and it’s a much better ride than KOTCS and I’m glad that one isn’t the final chapter.

 

[Tbolt]

When I saw MI7 yesterday, a couple seated behind me were amazed at how many people were headed for the Dial of Destiny theater and kept commenting on it.

In Los Angeles, Disney is strong-arming and forcing theaters to keep Dial in good theaters until Oppenheimer, thus leaving MI7 with some soggy choices of venues.

The point you seem to be glossing over is that people were going to see it. And this is what I had said earlier. There is still an audience for this movie. Now that the word is out that it’s not actually some woke train wreck and is a pretty good adventure flick, people are going to see it. The haters can’t stand that anyone likes it. I got attacked for liking it in an Indiana Jones collector group and called a dumbass. Yesterday. I didn’t even go see it until last week and never commented on it once until I had. The vitriol with which people are attacked over saying anything positive about this movie is very strange to me.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The point you seem to be flossing over is that people were going to see it.

No, I'm not flossing over it -- or glossing over it for that matter -- that actually WAS my point. People are going to see it.

 

[Khev]

The point you seem to be flossing over is that people were going to see it.

Wor-Gar watching people heading in to watch DOD:

 

[Tbolt]

No, I'm not flossing over it -- or glossing over it for that matter -- that actually WAS my point. People are going to see it.

My phone changed glossed to flossed and I thought about going back to edit it, but didn’t. I expected to watch it in an empty theater last week and instead the matinee on a weekday was half full.

and fixed. Just because. I am sometimes reminded why I dont frequent this board anymore.

 

[Felinx]

Wor-Gar watching people heading in to watch DOD:

Err, reality check on the Indy crowd here, folks....

 

[xipotec]

The Hitler scene is the only one that really goes too far for me, but I can definitely understand why Spielberg felt uncomfortable later with how much the Nazis got turned into cartoon villains by the end of the trilogy.

Upset that they were "cartoony" or "villians"?

They were defined evil group, my guess if the complaint is that they were portrayed as bafoons and not the dangerous fasicts they were?

 

[HAL9000.]

No, I'm not flossing over it -- or glossing over it for that matter -- that actually WAS my point. People are going to see it.

Yeah, but i wonder if they heard from friends and family about the part with the . . .

And then the section of the film with Indy and the whole . . .

Crazy!

 

[MeatHookGekko]

It just topped 302 million at the box office worldwide. Overseas has been strong which is no wonder considering it released overseas later. Toxicity killed this movie domestically.

At some point, a film needs good "word of mouth" to survive.

And, on that specific basis, it has to be able to stand on it's own merits, with all other issues pushed aside.

There are some industry wide issues that hurt IJ-DOD, much like it hurt other big films, and the Big Mouse has no control over that. However there are also things that can be controlled, and with a very thin margin of error, they were simply not handled in the best way possible.

I don't agree with all the "outrage porn" I see, which is just another way for self proclaimed pundits to monetize themselves on specific platforms, but they don't have the outsized influence that you are projecting here.