Indy 12'' line on ''pause.'' OR The Future of the Sideshow 12" INDY Line

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Re: Indy 12'' line on ''pause.''

This thread is rated four sad monkeys: :monkey2:monkey2:monkey2:monkey2

Got a Medi Mutt yesterday to pair with my SS KOTCS Indy. My first Medi figure... for 65 bucks I'm happy but I just could not imagine paying 150 or more for one.... what a joke. Jacket is nice, sculpt is passable, accessories are top notch, body is pure crap.
 
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i agree on the "take a loss" idea for LOTR, they were so damn close to finishing the fellowship anyway.

but Indy? I can;t see them taking a loss on more products there.

I just think SSC is fully to blame. There are plenty of Indy fans, just don't treat them poorly with drawn out releases, stupid choices, and poor execution.

Plus the line was hurt rught off the bat when they told us no figure would be less than $75 (and by the actual announcement it was $90) Double whammy.
 
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i agree on the "take a loss" idea for LOTR, they were so damn close to finishing the fellowship anyway.

but Indy? I can;t see them taking a loss on more products there.

With how "R&D intensive" the LOTR line was, they have to give us Merry Pippin and Gimli. Versus Marion & Sallah with Indy, Marion they could probably get away with with their current female body, but if Sallah turns out anything like Ed, which he probably won't because Sallah wore pants and a jacket, which would cover up a fat suit better. I think it's much more likely that they'd take a loss on Marion & Sallah than Merry, Pippin & Gimli.

It's funny that SS implied that if/when The Hobbit comes around, they will revisit LOTR, but it's not like they're going to start off their Hobbit line with the remaining Fellowship characters.
 
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With how "R&D intensive" the LOTR line was, they have to give us Merry Pippin and Gimli. Versus Marion & Sallah with Indy, Marion they could probably get away with with their current female body, but if Sallah turns out anything like Ed, which he probably won't because Sallah wore pants and a jacket, which would cover up a fat suit better. I think it's much more likely that they'd take a loss on Marion & Sallah than Merry, Pippin & Gimli.

It's funny that SS implied that if/when The Hobbit comes around, they will revisit LOTR, but it's not like they're going to start off their Hobbit line with the remaining Fellowship characters.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sideshow have completely pulled out of 1/6th by the time The Hobbit comes out
 
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Without knowing how much influence Lucas Film exerted over the choice of characters, I think it's pretty obvious that SSC has made some major errors with the Indy line and most, if not all, of the blame for its failure can be laid at their door. First and foremost was the delays that occurred between the announcement of the line, the presale of the first figure and its eventual release - from memory the release date for the first Indy was moved back two or three times. And then for the figure to have major looseness issues with the body and what, at best, can be described as average paint applications, set the line back from its very start. I, for one, absolutely refuse to get onboard with the idea that we should just expect to have to replace the bodies on Sideshow figures with one from Hot Toys, and that we will need to send headsculpts away for repainting. If the popularity of HT products have shown us nothing else, it is that people are prepared to spend additional money upfront to own something that doesn't need to be "fixed". My gut feeling is that the people who paid $90 for Indy are mostly the same people who paid $150 for Joker/Rocky/whoever.

After that you can add dubious character choices (questionable-likeness Belloq in uninspiring costume, German Indy), continuing quality issues (major colour discrepancies between Toht's head/hands and body, poor likeness on the Ark), perceptions of over-price (German Indy again, the choice of polystone for the Ark), and now it seems that there are internal scale problems with the heads being called too large for the bodies - Sideshow has mismanaged the line and it's fairly clear that 1/6 is not where their priorities, or true talents, lie.
 
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With how "R&D intensive" the LOTR line was, they have to give us Merry Pippin and Gimli. Versus Marion & Sallah with Indy, Marion they could probably get away with with their current female body, but if Sallah turns out anything like Ed, which he probably won't because Sallah wore pants and a jacket, which would cover up a fat suit better. I think it's much more likely that they'd take a loss on Marion & Sallah than Merry, Pippin & Gimli.

It's funny that SS implied that if/when The Hobbit comes around, they will revisit LOTR, but it's not like they're going to start off their Hobbit line with the remaining Fellowship characters.

I would honestly be surprised if they visited any aspect of The Hobbit in 1:6. Sad thing is, seeing how the Joe line is coming (each release is jumping the other in quality), and seeing the HUGE improvements in Star Wars tells me that Sideshow's more than capable of producing quality 1:6 action figures. I just don't get why for every home run they hit in the other lines, they strike out with Indy. :(
 
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I, for one, absolutely refuse to get onboard with the idea that we should just expect to have to replace the bodies on Sideshow figures with one from Hot Toys, and that we will need to send headsculpts away for repainting. After that you can add dubious character choices, continuing quality issues, perceptions of over-price, and now it seems that there are internal scale problems with the heads being called too large for the bodies - Sideshow has mismanaged the line and it's fairly clear that 1/6 is not where their priorities, or true talents, lie.

I'm all with that. My philosophy from the beginning has always been that it CAN be done right but they don't seem too concerned with that mentality. They've shown us that for the most part they're completely content with good enough/average.
 
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Ok so here's a thought I've had for sometime. What if Sideshow took on a true Hot Toys business model. If they sold a suit set for the extra Indy head that came with adventure Indy. They could have a Prof. Indy suit from ROTLA or TLC or a tux Indy from TOD this would sell not only the suit set to Indy fan but also to customizers and keep the Indy line alive. It would also help clean up the extra Adventure Indy's they have in their stock. This could also be done with Belloq, the ark scene and the idol scene. Just a thought.
 
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Those are all great ideas, but Sideshow has always balked at selling those kinds of supplementary sets. Perhaps now they might reconsider though, especially if it would mean moving some of their back stock.
 
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They could also sell a ton of the pro bodies for the Indy heads and again customizer would buy them. It seems like a win-win for sideshow, but I guess it's easier to be a distributor for Hot Toys, Medicom and the rest than it is to sale your own produces. Just think of it Medicom made and sold 5 difference Indy figures in their line, Sideshow has 6 in their line so far and one of them is yet to ship. I don't want to be a Sideshow hater but come on guys, we all know you can do better, if not please get out now and let Hot Toys take it over so I don't have to buy another set of figures because their better.
 
Re: Indy 12'' line on ''pause.''

Ok so here's a thought I've had for sometime. What if Sideshow took on a true Hot Toys business model. If they sold a suit set for the extra Indy head that came with adventure Indy. They could have a Prof. Indy suit from ROTLA or TLC or a tux Indy from TOD this would sell not only the suit set to Indy fan but also to customizers and keep the Indy line alive. It would also help clean up the extra Adventure Indy's they have in their stock. This could also be done with Belloq, the ark scene and the idol scene. Just a thought.

It's not going to sell better. Those who want him have purchased him. Those who don't, still won't. Besides, for what they'd want to charge, you could pick up the spares needed elsewhere for about half the price.

They could also sell a ton of the pro bodies for the Indy heads and again customizer would buy them. It seems like a win-win for sideshow, but I guess it's easier to be a distributor for Hot Toys, Medicom and the rest than it is to sale your own produces. Just think of it Medicom made and sold 5 difference Indy figures in their line, Sideshow has 6 in their line so far and one of them is yet to ship. I don't want to be a Sideshow hater but come on guys, we all know you can do better, if not please get out now and let Hot Toys take it over so I don't have to buy another set of figures because their better.

One of the biggest, and most consistent gripes here has been about the Pro. Until Sideshow can nail down all the QC issues with the body, that would be a failed idea. Imagine purchasing 10 bodies to swap out your Star Wars line and 2/3 of them can't even stand up, let alone hold their sabers/blasters at arm's length. Then there's the whole lack of proper scale issue. There's no doubt that the body has a bit of potential, but ATM, it's still far too buggy for a release of that nature.
 
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Nobody seems to be complaining about the Pro in the G.I. Joe line.
 
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It's not going to sell better. Those who want him have purchased him. Those who don't, still won't. Besides, for what they'd want to charge, you could pick up the spares needed elsewhere for about half the price.

:wave I'm considering picking up another Adventure Gear Indy in order to make a Last Crusade version.
 
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True I did swap my Indy for a true type, but the Henry Sr is good as is
no loose arms, legs, etc...
 
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:wave I'm considering picking up another Adventure Gear Indy in order to make a Last Crusade version.

So would you pay $150 for a Sideshow "DX" version that included his TLC adventure gear?

True I did swap my Indy for a true type, but the Henry Sr is good as is
no loose arms, legs, etc...

That pro is fine, but too short and not bulky enough to represent Connery, especially since I swapped Indy to a NS TT. So I'm in the process of converting both over to TS bodies.
 
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:wave I'm considering picking up another Adventure Gear Indy in order to make a Last Crusade version.

I did all it took was a black tie and a mp40. I also did a TOD Indy using parts from the sideshow monster line and James Bond line. That was part of my point Sideshow has the stuff to do these and the Prof Indy, one of those can be made with existing suits.
 
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So would you pay $150 for a Sideshow "DX" version that included his TLC adventure gear?

Actually yes, I think I would. But at this point I'll be fine with doing this:

I did all it took was a black tie and a mp40. I also did a TOD Indy using parts from the sideshow monster line and James Bond line. That was part of my point Sideshow has the stuff to do these and the Prof Indy, one of those can be made with existing suits.

That's what I figured. LC Indy is pretty easy to do (the only reason I'm considering doing it! :p) And Prof Indy can easily be done now with Henry's outfit as well!
 
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Actually yes, I think I would. But at this point I'll be fine with doing this:



That's what I figured. LC Indy is pretty easy to do (the only reason I'm considering doing it! :p) And Prof Indy can easily be done now with Henry's outfit as well!

That's what I did. Picked up an Indy off EbaY for around $30 and found a black tie and an MP40 on TA for pocket change. Picked up Giles for my Prof. Indy (suit and glasses) for free with Rewards Points.
 
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