Indy 12'' line on ''pause.'' OR The Future of the Sideshow 12" INDY Line

[thenammagazine]

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True but remember they did work with Hot Toys for those Hell Boy figures and also for the Hobbit bodies so while it's probably just an idea right now there is hope based on past experience that if they went to Hot Toys there is a chance something would be worked out.

So then why "pause" it before KOTCS Indy's release? There's plenty of time between Henry and Geezer Indy to work something out, but that's not the case. They're pausing it before an announced and preordered figure is released. I doubt it'd take a prolonged period of time to reach an agreement with HT who has the means readily available. Especially given how well Marcus turned out. Hell, they could almost just reuse the Marcus body and redo a left arm, to match the right.

 

[Indiana Fett]

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It's pretty telling when they have to approach another (superior) company and ask them for help to engineer their stuff. They should have foreseen these limitations/issues at the time they were developing the (modular) Pro body. Sideshow needs to s*** or get off the pot and leave 1:6 to the professionals in the industry who know what they are doing.

...which is why there's probably some truth to all that talk that's been going on for the last year that SS is phasing out of the 1/6 game to focus solely on busts, PF's, dioramas, etc...

Time will tell...

 

[kl241]

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That's why Hot Toys and Sideshow should just merge, or Hot Toys should just buy Sideshow out.

 

[MaulFan]

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Yes HT readily has the moulds and such for muscle bodies, but Sideshow may be trying to work things to keep price down, using those bodies could potentially raise the SSC figure prices above the current price point and that might cause sales to be unsuccessful too. It's also of benefit to Sideshow to investigate this beyond two Indy figures, so maybe they're working out a way to start producing these bodies themselves to expand into GI Joe and Star Wars.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Yes, they haven't said they're in development with Hot Toys to do it, but what I was getting at is why even mention their name, if there wasn't something actually happening it would have been enough to use vague, in development comments, but calling out specifically the body issue and mentioning the idea of talking to HT about the body seems more promising than the usual hints. When they say it's over without saying it's over, they're usually more vague than this statement.

I think the line is just about done and all we'll get at this point could be TOD Indy and or Mola Ram if they work out the body issues.

That's fine, but it's a bit naive or at least too optimistic. I saw the body issue more as an excuse for them not to produce those two figures, showing us a "look, we did discuss all the options," and using the hurdle instead, as a jumping point to put the line on the infamous "on hold" butcher's block to get axed a year down the road, so that they can focus on the dios and PFs. We all know that they're shifting focus away from the 12" lines in favor of dioramas and PFs anyway, it's not like this is new news, so I don't see why Indy would be an exception.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

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...which is why there's probably some truth to all that talk that's been going on for the last year that SS is phasing out of the 1/6 game to focus solely on busts, PF's, dioramas, etc...

Time will tell...

They should get out of 1/6. None of their recent lines outside of Star Wars have been very successful. It's still too early to tell with GI Joe, but aside from Snake Eyes, all of the figures in that line are still readily available from other online retailers.

 

[MaulFan]

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...which is why there's probably some truth to all that talk that's been going on for the last year that SS is phasing out of the 1/6 game to focus solely on busts, PF's, dioramas, etc...

I don't buy the phasing out thing with them taking on the Joe license, if they were phasing out they'd never have started the Indy line or picked up the Joe license.

The problem is, Sideshow's 1/6 licenses have been ones that don't necessarily have the following it takes to have a successful 1/6 line. Star Wars and Joe seem to be doing fine, but some of their others, while nice figures, just didn't seem to have the support like a line needs. HT's success isn't just in the quality of their products but also limiting themselves to characters and properties that have strong chances for success or proven history for success. An HT LOTR line would do no better in the end than Sideshow, probably worse with HT prices. Likewise, if HT had never had the license and Sideshow did Predators, that probably would have been a successful line. Every property has certain types of products and characters that will or won't succeed with the fanbase. LOTR seems strong with every product type but 1/6.

Indy seems to have a strong following but not a large enough one to support a large offering of collectibles.

 

[Mr.E]

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Well I'm hoping that since the Crystal Skull fridge version already sold out on pre-order, that they will be releasing it, but the intial reports here said that they were stopping the line with Henry Jones Sr. ?

Fingers crossed.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

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I'm sure they meant to say they were pausing after KOTCS Indy.

 

[Mr.E]

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I'm hoping the same thing.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I don't buy the phasing out thing with them taking on the Joe license, if they were phasing out they'd never have started the Indy line or picked up the Joe license.

The problem is, Sideshow's 1/6 licenses have been ones that don't necessarily have the following it takes to have a successful 1/6 line. Star Wars and Joe seem to be doing fine, but some of their others, while nice figures, just didn't seem to have the support like a line needs. HT's success isn't just in the quality of their products but also limiting themselves to characters and properties that have strong chances for success or proven history for success. An HT LOTR line would do no better in the end than Sideshow, probably worse with HT prices. Likewise, if HT had never had the license and Sideshow did Predators, that probably would have been a successful line. Every property has certain types of products and characters that will or won't succeed with the fanbase. LOTR seems strong with every product type but 1/6.

Indy seems to have a strong following but not a large enough one to support a large offering of collectibles.

You don't think they'd be using the 12" figures as a hook to get people interested in the dios and PFs? Worked great for the other lines.

 

[bmarz1000]

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I'm hoping the same thing.

I spoke with Customer Service at Sideshow this morning and she assured me that if they took pre-orders on KotCS Indy, he is going into production.

 

[bmarz1000]

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You don't think they'd be using the 12" figures as a hook to get people interested in the dios and PFs? Worked great for the other lines.

That seems more than possible. 12" figures are their "leaders" into larger, higher-priced items.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

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I'm sure they meant to say they were pausing after KOTCS Indy.

I'm still wondering what that was about. TheNam seems to think that it was not a mistake them saying the pause is after Henry. Maybe it's an indication that KOTCS Indy isn't due til very late 1Q10 (or that it could even be delayed to 2Q10) and that you won't hear a peep from the 1:6 line from Henry (starting to ship today, hopefully) til April next year. I guess 4 months could be considered a pause if there were no announcements planned in that time.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

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I'm still wondering what that was about. TheNam seems to think that it was not a mistake them saying the pause is after Henry. Maybe it's an indication that KOTCS Indy isn't due til very late 1Q10 (or that it could even be delayed to 2Q10) and that you won't hear a peep from the 1:6 line from Henry (starting to ship today, hopefully) til April next year. I guess 4 months could be considered a pause if there were no announcements planned in that time.

My guess is whoever made the statement either forgot about KOTCS Indy at that moment or confused the release dates OF KOTCS Indy and Henry.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

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My guess is whoever made the statement either forgot about KOTCS Indy at that moment or confused the release dates OF KOTCS Indy and Henry.

Seems the most logical guess...

 

[thenammagazine]

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I'm still wondering what that was about. TheNam seems to think that it was not a mistake them saying the pause is after Henry. Maybe it's an indication that KOTCS Indy isn't due til very late 1Q10 (or that it could even be delayed to 2Q10) and that you won't hear a peep from the 1:6 line from Henry (starting to ship today, hopefully) til April next year. I guess 4 months could be considered a pause if there were no announcements planned in that time.

How long was the gap between Toht and German Indy? Wasn't that longer than four months? If they announced nothing there and now they're saying a "brief pause," especially with a figure still in the wings, I think that's the death toll.

As I've said previously, I'd love nothing more than for SS to prove me wrong. But based off their history, and the many lines I've collected and seen this happen with, my money's on a 1:6 demise. They've already set themselves up for it.

My guess is whoever made the statement either forgot about KOTCS Indy at that moment or confused the release dates OF KOTCS Indy and Henry.

A mistake that glaring, especially with SS eyes here in the forums, would've been addressed and corrected or at least acknowledged if they didn't catch it in proofing.

 

[FLOSI]

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I blame this whole thing on the pro body! What a POS!!!


Really though... the writing was on the wall. It sucks for those of us who love the property.

IF, big if, we get Mola Ram and TOD Indy we should all be pretty happy.

 

[Shai]

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Seriously,And i'm not writing this to start shat or piss Indy fans, but....



You can kiss the 12'' Indy line goodbye.There will be no 12''made from TOD. ''On pause'', means ''on hold''

AKA:

Its over.

 

[MaulFan]

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You don't think they'd be using the 12" figures as a hook to get people interested in the dios and PFs? Worked great for the other lines.

I don't think you need 12" figures to draw people to other products, often people that collect one don't collect the other. It may help draw attention but when one product is about $100 per item and the other lines are more like $250+, you can't expect people to just follow, some yes, but some won't have the finances for it.