Uncanny Web-Slinger
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I'm very glad he got to see a screening before his passing, R.I.P
J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness
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i hope this movie didn't suck for Dan.
Viking Spawn
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At least he enjoyed his dying wish. Still a sad story. My condolences to his widow. 
Kamandi
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I finally saw The Hobbit this weekend in 3D at the local Imax. The ST:ID 9 minute preview was attached. A few thoughts.
I want to look forward to ST2, but that kind of stuff bugs me.
Spock is lowered into a volcano with a high tech 'icecube' to stabilize a volcano. If there were a full eruption they suggest it will be an extinction level event for life on the planet. At the same time there is a concern to follow the Prime Directive to an extreme not seen in ST before.
Problem is - the primitive culture on the planet could easily catch up to us within one or two thousand years. If they become proficient at geology they will study the volcano and realize there were unnatural forces at work back when their culture was threatened. The super-icecube will leave fingerprints that can be studied and that's as good as violating the PD. This civilization will become aware of outside intervention even if they never see the crew or ship directly.
So what I'm saying is Spock should loosen up.
2. The type of hull you design for a spaceship is very different from the type of hull you design for a submarine. Spaceships are designed to keep an atmosphere trapped within. A starship designer isn't going to expect several atmospheres worth of presure pushing on the OUTSIDE of the ship. Underwater E might make for some cool visuals, but bad physics.
They really couldn't just park the E on the far side of a moon or star? Really?
And how crappy are the communicators? A volcano can jam them!?! Even today volcanoes have no impact on radio transmissions. I expect Starfleet communicators to out-perform today's radios and cell phones.
Problem is - the primitive culture on the planet could easily catch up to us within one or two thousand years. If they become proficient at geology they will study the volcano and realize there were unnatural forces at work back when their culture was threatened. The super-icecube will leave fingerprints that can be studied and that's as good as violating the PD. This civilization will become aware of outside intervention even if they never see the crew or ship directly.
So what I'm saying is Spock should loosen up.
2. The type of hull you design for a spaceship is very different from the type of hull you design for a submarine. Spaceships are designed to keep an atmosphere trapped within. A starship designer isn't going to expect several atmospheres worth of presure pushing on the OUTSIDE of the ship. Underwater E might make for some cool visuals, but bad physics.
They really couldn't just park the E on the far side of a moon or star? Really?
And how crappy are the communicators? A volcano can jam them!?! Even today volcanoes have no impact on radio transmissions. I expect Starfleet communicators to out-perform today's radios and cell phones.
I want to look forward to ST2, but that kind of stuff bugs me.
The Prime Directive has always been a bit of a hit-or-miss in Trek. Sometimes, they would violate the Prime Directive and no one batted an eye, Kirk especially (I'm thinking of "A Taste of Armageddon," I believe it was, where two planets had concieved of a way to make war less costly by computerizing casualties, and Kirk destroyed the computers forcing them to come to grips with the conflict). Picard usually took the Prime Directive to extremes...he wanted to allow Data's friend to die in "Pen Pals," and Worf's brother, his wife, and his child, in another episode where he had gotten involved with a native people. It just kindof depends on the time/mission/let's face it, the script, lol.
In this case, checking out Memory Alpha, I think this applies:
The Prime Directive Exceptions:
Helping a society escape a natural disaster that is unknown to the society and where the assistance can take place without the society's knowledge. (TOS: "The Paradise Syndrome")
In that case, it was a little different, because another race had put an asteroid deflector in place that became inoperative, and the Enterprise repaired it. But it seems pretty similar to the situation here.
In this case, checking out Memory Alpha, I think this applies:
The Prime Directive Exceptions:
Helping a society escape a natural disaster that is unknown to the society and where the assistance can take place without the society's knowledge. (TOS: "The Paradise Syndrome")
In that case, it was a little different, because another race had put an asteroid deflector in place that became inoperative, and the Enterprise repaired it. But it seems pretty similar to the situation here.
Dunno if all that should really be considered a spoiler, lol, but better safe then sorry!
Kamandi
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Another problem, not even a Prime Directive issue....
Spock's device is going to cause some local effect to stabilize the volcano. It sounds like they're freeze drying a cap inside the volcano. The effect is dangerous to Spock, he will die if he's present when it goes off, but the "ice cube" will spare the nearby village of indiginous people. Keep in mind Kirk and Bones hid their identities, so those people are going to survice the device activation, else why be sneaky?
So they plan to put a crust over the top. That's nice, it will buy some time, but remember this is a super volcano. They said they're trying to save "the planet", so this is a Toba or Yellowstone level event (in which case there should be a caldera instead of a mountain, but I digress).
If Spock flash freezes the surface it doesn't solve the problem of growing preasure below. Any device that is going to freeze the rock all the way down the vent and solidify the magma chamber is going to take out the nearby village.
Considering Spock's success rate with Red Matter are we sure he's the right guy for the job?
So they plan to put a crust over the top. That's nice, it will buy some time, but remember this is a super volcano. They said they're trying to save "the planet", so this is a Toba or Yellowstone level event (in which case there should be a caldera instead of a mountain, but I digress).
If Spock flash freezes the surface it doesn't solve the problem of growing preasure below. Any device that is going to freeze the rock all the way down the vent and solidify the magma chamber is going to take out the nearby village.
Considering Spock's success rate with Red Matter are we sure he's the right guy for the job?
I'll say. This sounds craptacular on an epic scale.
If everyone obeyed the Prime Directive, the show would have had two episodes back in the 1960s. They need to stop talking about that thing, no one obeys anyway.
Uncanny Web-Slinger
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STAR WARS Director J.J. Abrams Will Still Be Involved With STAR TREK 3
J.J. Abrams will presumably crack on with Star Wars: Episode VII as soon as post-production of Star Trek Into Darkness is complete. However, what does that mean for Paramount's planned third instalment in the latter franchise? Find out here!
Josh Wilding - 1/25/2013
According to a reliable source (see below), J.J. Abrams WILL still be involved with the Star Trek franchise beyond this May's Into Darkness. As many predicted when the news broke that the director will helm Star Wars: Episode VII, Abrams is set to serve as a producer on both the third Star Trek movie and the next Mission Impossible (presumably under his 'Bad Robot' banner). This was confirmed earlier today by Paramount Vice Chairman Rob Moore. "J.J. will continue to develop projects for us including a new ‘Mission: Impossible,’ and he is committed to produce another ‘Star Trek," he said. Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean that Abrams won't direct the third instalment as he could jump straight from Star Wars back to Star Trek. However, that may end up being dependent on whether or not Disney will want him back for Episode VIII!
J.J. Abrams to produce a third STAR TREK movie and MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE, according to Paramount. STAR WARS doesn't kill his involvement..
— Marc Graser (@marcgraser) January 26, 2013
J.J. Abrams will presumably crack on with Star Wars: Episode VII as soon as post-production of Star Trek Into Darkness is complete. However, what does that mean for Paramount's planned third instalment in the latter franchise? Find out here!
Josh Wilding - 1/25/2013
According to a reliable source (see below), J.J. Abrams WILL still be involved with the Star Trek franchise beyond this May's Into Darkness. As many predicted when the news broke that the director will helm Star Wars: Episode VII, Abrams is set to serve as a producer on both the third Star Trek movie and the next Mission Impossible (presumably under his 'Bad Robot' banner). This was confirmed earlier today by Paramount Vice Chairman Rob Moore. "J.J. will continue to develop projects for us including a new ‘Mission: Impossible,’ and he is committed to produce another ‘Star Trek," he said. Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean that Abrams won't direct the third instalment as he could jump straight from Star Wars back to Star Trek. However, that may end up being dependent on whether or not Disney will want him back for Episode VIII!
J.J. Abrams to produce a third STAR TREK movie and MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE, according to Paramount. STAR WARS doesn't kill his involvement..
— Marc Graser (@marcgraser) January 26, 2013
Why I'm Butt-Hurt About J.J. Abrams | Badass Digest
Star Trek fan and writer Jordan Hoffman weighs on Abrams' decision.
Star Trek fan and writer Jordan Hoffman weighs on Abrams' decision.
I love Star Trek a lot, and am very glad he directed the 2nd movie, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't sure happy about his involvement with EP VII
He's laid down the groundwork for a third - let Ben Affleck direct Star Trek 3
He's laid down the groundwork for a third - let Ben Affleck direct Star Trek 3
tamato
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Yes I've definitely got mixed emotions about this as well, but the important thing is that they keep Trek going!
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A couple things about the underwater complaint. First, we occasionally see Starships go into the atmospheres of planets, sometimes gas giants, usually with shields, but sometimes not. Seems like these ships may be made with sturdier, futuristic materials that can tolerate higher pressures in case of emergencies. Also, on the matter of shields: historically in Trek, the shields have formed a bubble or shell at a distance around the outside of the ship. In the Abramsverse, shields seem to closely hug the contours of the starship, kinds like in Star Wars; weapons discharges get all the way right up next to the hull before being dissipated. So it's entirely possible that when the Big E is underwater, the shields are up.
That was something that bugged me about Abrams Trek actually. OK alternate timeline and all but does even that get changed by Nero's shenanigans in the 'past'? I don't think it does because the Star Wars style shields and lazers are already there on the Kelvin when Nero first attacks at the start. Who told Abrams he could throw out the usual shield and phaser effects?
Is there going to be a swap? Will Star Wars Episode VII have bubble shields on its ships and continuous turbolasers reaching from turbolaser cannon all the way to target?
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I know, I know, it's one of those "artistic vision" things that drive us fans crazy! It's what happens when a lot of different people get involved in a project over time. In ST:TMP, the Federation photon torpedos were blue and Klingons had red . Then everybody had red forever after. In WOK, the phasers were all "Star Wars" style, then back to a continuous stream in TNG. It's irritating, but it's Hollywood. To be fair, I don't think they ever really showed how the shields worked in TOS, that was more the feature film/TNG era. And the photon torpedos were blobs of white, fuzzy light that shot out of roughly the same place the phasers did.
Mad Old Lu
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In my 40 years of loving Sci-Fi movies and TV, none of those things ever bothered me. Ever.
Uncanny Web-Slinger
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I hate when Directors jump ship for a better opportunity rather than stick it out with their current duties. Trek 3 won't have Abrams now, and i bet it'll suffer, hopefully not as bad as TLS did when Singer jumped to Superman.
Incidentally I actually think X-Men 3 turned out better than Superman Returns. I for one found X3 a more enjoyable watch.
K07
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Did the man have a contract?
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