JoeSweden
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What was the reason they sent cadets to battle in the first place? I forgot.They didn't know it was going to be a battle I presume since they where ambushed.
J.J. Abrams' Star Trek (POTENTIAL SPOILERS)
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Dr Daystrom
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It was basically an "all hands on deck" move to get as many ships as possible to Vulcan for assistance/rescue operations due to the sudden "seismic disturbances". At the time they weren't clear it was an actual attack.
One of Kirk's contributions enroute (and probably what prompted Pike to assign him the first officer post) was figuring out they were headed into a trap.
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Actually...
there was a nod to this in the episode Charlie X of TOS (which was done before the actors/writers fully fleshed out the personalities of the characters). Uhura and Spock were flirting together in the rec lounge... him playing the Vulcan harp thing while she was singing. I actually loved the fact that they drew on this tidbit from the series.
and it was FANTASTIC in IMAX... I suggest everyone see it in in IMAX if they can. Definitely worth it
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everything that he said, a TV series would never feel like the movie, and if we got a tv series, it would have to focus on a different crew in the same timeline as the movie I imagine. either way, I don't see a TV series happening, and if it does, I doubt JJ would be involved with it, which to me, would take away alot of potential.
JoeSweden
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Ah,yes. Thanks. I was wondering where the real fleet where, something that they where too far away?
Loved Bruce Greenwood as Pike, especially in the parking brake scene.
Loved the original sonar pings on the bridge and that Uhura has the original "spark plug" in her ear. They should have kept the solid laser beams rather than laserbursts. I think that makes it more lethal.
Why not? Lost ends next year. That should free him up for another TV series. And who knows if Fringe will survive (I hope it does!).
JGouse0498
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First of all, I absolutely LOVED the movie!!! Saw it with my mom (a TOS fan) for Mother's Day and then called my wife and said "Meet me here for the 6:15 digital show".
One more easter egg...one that my wife picked up on in fact:
When Pike breaks up the bar fight, his whistle was based on one of the old sound FX.
She can't remember exactly which one, but she thinks it was the sound whenever the Enterprise was hailed.
One more easter egg...one that my wife picked up on in fact:
When Pike breaks up the bar fight, his whistle was based on one of the old sound FX.
She can't remember exactly which one, but she thinks it was the sound whenever the Enterprise was hailed.
Abrams doesn't strike me as someone who would want to dedicate that much of his time to something that wasn't his creation.
Kabukiman
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A franchise as big as Trek needs an overseer such as Gene Roddenberry or Rick Berman (before he lost his mind) to get another series off the ground. And I agree with Irish, Abrams is not that guy.
but, JJ, if you're reading, I'll gladly offer my services...
but, JJ, if you're reading, I'll gladly offer my services...
OK, saw it tonight and have only read this page of the thread - I liked it, particularly the casting - they were all great, obviously some more than others due to having bigger roles. I found it a very tense film - it seemed there was a lot at stake and indeed there was.
Some niggles though
- as others have been talking about I found it strange that the new flagship was being manned by cadets - and on the bridge of all places. At cadet level shouldn't they be the randomers who you see walking down the corridors? Anyway, you guys reckoned it was due to time constraints and the fact they didn't know it would be a battle situation. I suppose. But yeah - where was the rest of the fleet with presumably more senior starfleet crews?
- happy coincidences. There was a few of these in the film that enabled the classic crew to fully come together - particularly with regard to Scotty. In fact Old spock seemed to meet young kirk completely by accident and then the same for Scotty - he was surprised each time.
- Why change the phasers, transporter&warp effects? If it aint broke don't fix it. I too preferred the continuous beams for the phasers.
- Beaming onto a ship while its at warp? That seems too advanced even for Voyager era Star Trek. Was that ever done in any of the shows?
- the music wasn't great or memorable. The main theme sounded like something that should have been in an X-men movie. It didn't evoke Star Trek the way Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner and Dennis McCarthy did. I wish they'd get Horner back. His themes would seem no less applicable to the new cast than they did the original cast in Star Trek II. That film has an amazing score.
Some niggles though
- as others have been talking about I found it strange that the new flagship was being manned by cadets - and on the bridge of all places. At cadet level shouldn't they be the randomers who you see walking down the corridors? Anyway, you guys reckoned it was due to time constraints and the fact they didn't know it would be a battle situation. I suppose. But yeah - where was the rest of the fleet with presumably more senior starfleet crews?
- happy coincidences. There was a few of these in the film that enabled the classic crew to fully come together - particularly with regard to Scotty. In fact Old spock seemed to meet young kirk completely by accident and then the same for Scotty - he was surprised each time.
- Why change the phasers, transporter&warp effects? If it aint broke don't fix it. I too preferred the continuous beams for the phasers.
- Beaming onto a ship while its at warp? That seems too advanced even for Voyager era Star Trek. Was that ever done in any of the shows?
- the music wasn't great or memorable. The main theme sounded like something that should have been in an X-men movie. It didn't evoke Star Trek the way Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner and Dennis McCarthy did. I wish they'd get Horner back. His themes would seem no less applicable to the new cast than they did the original cast in Star Trek II. That film has an amazing score.
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well considering he has about 19 in development projects with paramount I think he's moving away from TV and full time into movies. And I know that by an interview I read with him where they were talking about that, he signed a huge contract with them. I'll be shocked if he does more TV, but if he does, and if it is star trek, i'll happily watch it, I'm just not expecting that to happen.
Actually none of "our" cadets are officially on the bridge. We don't know that Spock was in the same class (if he's running the KM test it would indicate he's senior to the cadets) and everyone else we see gets promoted on the fly. That leaves Chekov and Sulu, but who knows if they graduated at the same time.
Then there's also the timing of the Vulcan disturbance; you've got a raft of cadets ready for service and the main fleet otherwise occupied - who else are you going to use?
I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who never got into the original Star Trek, but all the changes were cooler than the originals. I imagine that was part of the mission plan, to make the franchise fit modern tastes.
But if Spock Prime is from 129 years in the future, isn't that around a century after Voyager? He's the one who gives Scotty the equation, after all.
This goes back to the phasers etc. This movie had to work for general audiences and not the same handful of geeks who made the last few movies box office disasters. The various old themes are a bit cheesy; the new score worked for me.
tylerdurden
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Kirk said he would be captain in 3 years, and he did it..
the 3 years kirk was referring to was in response to pike's challenge for him to be an officer in 4 years, and captain of his own ship in 8 years. so yeah, it's still way too early for kirk. or at least too early in the way the scriptwriters handled it.
The funny thing is we get a Farmboy from Tatooine who is an okay pilot gets involved in an attack on the Empire, comes back from a successful run and all of a sudden in the next film is Commander Skywalker, same with Han. People are cool with those swift military promotions and Kirk? Oh no.
that's a good point u raised. but the major difference is, in star wars, there is an obvious and significant time lapse between the death star attack in epIV and luke's promotion to commander in epV. so it doesn't feel rushed. in star trek, it happens within the same movie, and therefore pretty much immediately.
agree with u on this, a-dev. there were just too many happy coincidences throughout the movie. i put that down to lazy scriptwriting. never did like orci & kurtzman's writing. it's what ruined much of transformers (terrible attempts at humour, irritating supporting characters, etc).
also felt the music wasn't as rousing as it could've been. the piece of music from the last trek trailer was majestic! i liked the usage of the original trek theme though.
Bamboota
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IT WAS SOOOO GOOD....NOTHING WRONG WITH IT!! I loved the story, the action, the characters...and the soundtrack!! I'm not even a Star Trek fan!!!
THE SUMMER HAS OFFICIALLY BEGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE SUMMER HAS OFFICIALLY BEGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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As was pointed out Uhura and Kirk were promoted in battle situations, Chekov (at 17, and why make a deal about his age?) and Sulu were already on the Enterprise. Spock had been running the KM test for 3 years (4 years?) and was Uhura's instructor, so obviously not a cadet.
I'm sure there's an episode or movie about transwarp beaming, but if Scotty developed it, he'd been in stasis for some decades until rescued by the TNG crew, so would have had to come up with it in the Kirk era.
I'm sure there's an episode or movie about transwarp beaming, but if Scotty developed it, he'd been in stasis for some decades until rescued by the TNG crew, so would have had to come up with it in the Kirk era.
What I love about this movie is that there are some plot flubs and flaws but you absolutely don't even care about them because as a whole it just WORKS, and works well. 
Cheesy? Fantastical maybe. Epic definitely. I'm not talking about putting in old musical themes just to please the geeks although it certainly would. However why would general audiences be put off? This film is having a wider appeal because people are curious about seeing Kirk&Spock again and they were assured by a great trailer that it'd be more action orientated, less technobabble etc - I doubt they gave the music much thought but the presence of classic trek music would hardly trigger negative word-of-mouth that it was just typical nerdy Star Trek given all the other ingredients.
It continues to surprise me that James Horner was never called back after Star Trek III - his scores were monumental - granted I can't really say because I was only born the year Star Trek II came out but I think his soundtrack was surely a huge part of the appeal of that film. To me it really evoked a ''space navy'' feel about it - the film is often described as a submarine movie in space. It was a truly epic score and I think it would be no less fitting today. It almost gives me tingles just thinking about hearing his music but with pine&quinto on the screen this time.
Jerry goldsmith was fantastic of course but even I got kind of tired of them repeatedly using him. Dennis McCarthy did a brilliant OS for Generations as did Cliff Eidelman for Undiscovered Country - I don't know why neither of those two were ever considered again for that matter. Their scores were better than what we have in this new film. Again it really sounded to me more like an X-men score than a Trek one.
Basically my ideal scenario is for them to call James Horner. He came on board for the 2nd film of the original cast so it'd be a nifty and probably worthwhile circle if he came back to work on the 2nd film of the new cast.
Nah I just didn't get it.
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Not gonna lie I love Horner. But all his shat sounds the same. Krull FTW!
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