Joker: Folie à Deux

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I have not seen a character assassination this bad since these guys...

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The first film was meh to me. Read all the spoilers here and feedback.

As somebody put it earlier, the movie does parallel what's happening right now. Arthur's fans in the movies are disappointed he didn't become the Joker they thought him to be and it's the same with the fans of the first film. Real life imitates art as they say. Maybe Phillips is a genius. Maybe him and Phoenix concocted this thesis that the real world fans will have the same reaction as how they wrote it. And y'all proved him right. Arthur got raped in the movie and the raping continues with the memes, jokes, AI images, etc. Y'all are the cops because you were spited by Todd. Y'all are also the unknown Joker at the end because you defined what Joker should be. 🤣

I say this jokingly but hey, who knows?

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WE ARE THE COPS. WE ARE HARLEY
WE MOCKED ARTHUR
WE ABANDON HIM LIKE HARLEY

I MADE HORRIBLE MEMES
IM LIKE THE MAIN COP
I BECOME THE COP


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I didn't like the first film. While I thought it was technically well-made, I remember describing it as bleak in a cynical, empty, nasty and uniquely post-modern way ... I've never re-watched it.

After perusing all this I'm definitely not wasting my time on the second. For me this all amounts to misery-porn and ... I never thought the character was a DC-style Joker, just a re-imagining of the concept, almost completely divorced from the source material.

I'm also sick and tired of watching Phoenix mug and grimace his way through another dead-eyed, dysfunctional loner character. It's turned into a schtick.
 
He was pathetic in the first film too. What’s all this hubbub? Guess I’m now finding out, but you mean to tell me there were people who connected and related to him to a great extent..? To the point where some are enraged that they continued to portray him as the pathetic person he is in the second film? While it’s unfortunate to see, the character was always a sick individual, he should’ve never been idolized or glorified.
He wasn’t pathetic at the end tho. And no one in this thread said they connected or related to the character.
Also that’s funny coming from someone with Jinx in there profile pic. It’s a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. A Comic villain.
How many people has jinx killed? She’s just as problematic as joker is so I don’t understand the whole “you shouldn’t like this character cause they did a bad thing” argument. Let’s just shut down half the threads here since we aren’t allowed to like flawed and villainous characters anymore.

I don’t understand the idolized argument either. The movie was a hit in 2019 and was never talked about again til the sequel . It came and went.
also I never got why people get so bent out of shape when people say they like the joker like he was an actual living breathing person lol
 
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