Joker: Folie à Deux

[Mr.E]

Had no plans of seeing this, particularly now. This whole sequel situation reminds me of Rob Zombie's angry, resentful, mess of a sequel, "Halloween II".

 

[crows]

Had no plans of seeing this, particularly now. This whole sequel situation reminds me of Rob Zombie's angry, resentful, mess of a sequel, "Halloween II".

yeah that's a really excellent example. because that movie deals with trauma and mental health. yeah like that.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Many sad clowns today... the day Phoenix Joker died.

 

[Wor-Gar]

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full context

Spoiler

in jail Arthur is bullied by the cops.
but they play around with him. they give him cigarettes for jokes. they troll him.
they slap him. kinda playful but abusive.

later in court and dealing with Gaga joker starts to get annoyed about the joker culture.
Arthur starts to get annoyed with the court case. and he insults the cops on tv.

the cops see this on TV and feel insulted and betrayed.
and when he returns they beat him up, take all his clothes off, throw him on the floor.
and one cop takes off his cop belt. as the rest of the cops are watching.

then the next day comes. rape it's pretty heavily implied because the next day he's crying and quits being joker. he's crying.
next day he goes to court and says there's no joker. he confesses to killing his mom in court and says he's only Arthur.

then at the very very end

Spoiler

since he said he's not joker, a prisoner in jail says "you are a fake. you are false "
and stabs him to death in the belly

so he got raped by cops. and murdered by his own fan. murdered by his fan.

I read it all. This is not a movie I have any desire to see. I will likely never watch it.

I hope it tanks horribly. Serves as a sign post to Hollywood: don't try this insincere **** again with comic book characters

 

[crows]

maybe the reason I don't have that much of a hatred or a problem for this movie is because I never really cared for the first joker. I didn't dislike it. but I never really cared that much.
I never saw these movies as real joker movies I never really rewatched it
I saw joker 1 once. never thought much about it.

so this movie didn't bother me as much. but for a joker fan it will definitely make you mad

 

[Wor-Gar]

I liked the first movie, didn't love it. I loved the Murray scene and everything that happened after that moment. To me, it was a great set-up to promising sequel potential. It reminded me of a lot of old 70's movies where the best part was the last 10 minutes, but those 10 minutes stuck with you.

I still say it would have been more interesting to see the Joker become a kind of real world terrorist of Gotham, fighting for "the unnoticed and undesirable"... the rabble... and how he misguides 'his people' for his own self-interest and sense of accomplishment.

I think that would have been more timely than a sad movie about a failed justice system in a world of cruel and despicable people. He played the victim card already... time to face your life with the possibility that you're NOT the victim, just a d***.

 

[DiostaR]

Saw some spoilers around and couldn't believe one that I read. Can anyone who saw it confirm?

Spoiler

Saw people say that he gets raped and stops being the "Joker" because of it.

Not true.


Spoilers ahead :

There's one guy that likes to hangout with him in the movie and he gets influenced by his Joker persona a lot during the trial especially when he goes on a rant and insult the guards (they are bullies to everyone in the prison).
After that episode in the trial when Arthur comes back he gets beat up by the guards and once they bring him in his cell the younger "inmate" start protesting and chanting "When the saints go marching in" which makes the main guard angry, so angry that he asks the other guards to open his cell and he strangle him to death.
That makes Arthur realise that his persona is a bad thing and that he has a bad influence on his "fans" that idolise him.
That's why he drops it, not because he got "raped"...
The rape is only an interpretation from viewers, it might be implied that they sexually assaulted them in a way, personally I didn't see it as rape.

 

[crows]

Not true.


Spoilers ahead :

There's one guy that likes to hangout with him in the movie and he gets influenced by his Joker persona a lot during the trial especially when he goes on a rant and insult the guards (they are bullies to everyone in the prison).
After that episode in the trial when Arthur comes back he gets beat up by the guards and once they bring him in his cell the younger "inmate" start protesting and chanting "When the saints go marching in" which makes the main guard angry, so angry that he asks the other guards to open his cell and he strangle him to death.
That makes Arthur realise that his persona is a bad thing and that he has a bad influence on his "fans" that idolise him.
That's why he drops it, not because he got "raped"...
The rape is only an nterpretation from viewers, it might be implied that they sexually assaulted them in a way, personally I didn't see it as rape.

you might wanna defend the movie
but it did happen, it's pretty clear.

 

[DiostaR]

If you don't see it then it's open to interpretation.