Jurassic World (SPOILERS!)

[jye4ever]

I know this huge overweight woman with BIG boobs that won't wear a bra because she says they cause breast cancer.

Ummmm.....Moo.

Let those flap jacks loose.

 

[ironwez20]

Stick woman > crazy cat lady who falls from a building and gets supernatural powers and nine lives after getting bitten by a bunch of random magical cats

Magical cat lady < stick woman who doesnt even act like catwoman but some random woman dressed in leather and has a gun.

 

[RIDDICK]

Michelle Pfeiffer in Halloween latex >>> Gollum in fabric and some leather

Fixed.

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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Magical cat lady < stick woman who doesnt even act like catwoman but some random woman dressed in leather and has a gun.

Crazy 9 lives cat lady was acting like Cat... woman, drinking milk, meowing, and licking herself

Stick woman was "Catwoman" with and without the costume. Her personality, he cunning, her lying, her attitude and more importantly, she was a thief, which is a defining trait of the character. Crazy cat lady ate a bird and blew up a building because the movie "needed" a random explosion for no reason.

 

[ironwez20]

Crazy 9 lives cat lady was acting like Cat... woman, drinking milk, meowing, and licking herself

Stick woman was "Catwoman" with and without the costume. Her personality, he cunning, her lying, her attitude and more importantly, she was a thief, which is a defining trait of the character. Crazy cat lady ate a bird and blew up a building because the movie "needed" a random explosion for no reason.

Nah she was no catwoman. No cat puns, no whip, no love for cats, and some dumb googles that looked like cat ears on her head. She might as well of been a new character just like that John Blake nonsense.

Catwoman may of been over the top in returns but **** at least you can look at her and say that's catwoman instead of looking at nolans mess and say it's some spy woman with dumb glasses.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Nah she was no catwoman. No cat puns, no whip, no love for cats, and some dumb googles that looked like cat ears on her head. She might as well of been a new character just like that John Blake nonsense.

Catwoman may of been over the top in returns but **** at least you can look at her and say that's catwoman instead of looking at nolans mess and say it's some spy woman with dumb glasses.

A thief, which is what Catwoman is known for, not a spy or a crazy lady with magical powers and no purpose in a story Hathaway's look is instantly recognizable and it's an homage to Julie Newmar's Catwoman. Maybe you're to young to remember anything before 1992? The "dumb" googles is something she uses in the comics when she's stealing, and the fact that they turn into ears to complete the look was very creative and new. You criticize the lack of a whip, yet you ignore all the other traits they got right, especially when it comes to her actions and personality.

 

[DiFabio]

This isn't a Batman thread bros. Last time I checked, it said Jurassic World.

- Riddick, she looks like Smeagol, not Gollum.

- ironwez, Pfeiffer Catwoman is a far cry from the source, basically an all new character. Also, you're wrong about Hathaway Catwoman, she had plenty of awful cringe worthy lines and puns.

- Clown Prince, "teh comics" aside, as a film character the Pfeiffer Catwoman is much more well rounded with characterization and fits her film better than Hathaway Catwoman who is one-dimensional in comparison. Also, Gotham Alleys: Catwoman - supernatural?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

- Clown Prince, "teh comics" aside, as a film character the Pfeiffer Catwoman is much more well rounded with characterization and fits her film better than Hathaway Catwoman who is one-dimensional in comparison. Also, Gotham Alleys: Catwoman - supernatural?

The end of that article says that she didn't have any feline characteristics. So a sudden thirst for milk (after getting bitten by a bunch of cats) and "bathing"/licking herself is normal behavior? Her fighting skills and agility, although within human range appear out of nowhere in the film, even though in the beginning she showed no knowledge of self defense or gymnastics of any kind, and even if it was was "explained" in the script, it was not explained in the film, which is what matters, not the script which can change during production, like most screenplays. Example, the guy getting stuck in concrete in the Terminator script. If it's not in the film, it doesn't count.

Supernatural or not, that's what most people got from that film, which is why when WB made the crappy Halley Berry film, she had powers, because that's what the mainstream audience was familiar with...thanks to the Burton film. Regardless of "powers", her characterization was overtly sexualized with no subtlety. She was either crazy and awkward or in super slut mode. As far as fitting in the story better...well, there isn't much of a plot or story to begin with except her revenge thing, so that worked, she got the bad guy in the end.

Since the thread is about JW, let me just say that the T Rex is always cool, even in JW.

 

[Rorywan]

Michelle got a brain clot aneurysm which changed her ability and personality. This is obviously fantasy but based on reality, head knocks can cause personality changes, even accent/language abilities.

She became cat obsessed because she thought they had brought her back from the dead.

Works for me.


Hathaway was simply a dodgy piece of work who was kinda cat woman. But not really. The same as everything else in a Nolan movie. A "real" interpretation of a comic book character that made less sense for the lack of fantasy than their comic book versions. I liked her though.

 

[DiFabio]

The end of that article says that she didn't have any feline characteristics. So a sudden thirst for milk (after getting bitten by a bunch of cats) and "bathing"/licking herself is normal behavior? Her fighting skills and agility, although within human range appear out of nowhere in the film, even though in the beginning she showed no knowledge of self defense or gymnastics of any kind, and even if it was was "explained" in the script, it was not explained in the film, which is what matters, not the script which can change during production, like most screenplays. Example, the guy getting stuck in concrete in the Terminator script. If it's not in the film, it doesn't count.

Supernatural or not, that's what most people got from that film, which is why when WB made the crappy Halley Berry film, she had powers, because that's what the mainstream audience was familiar with...thanks to the Burton film. Regardless of "powers", her characterization was overtly sexualized with no subtlety. She was either crazy and awkward or in super slut mode. As far as fitting in the story better...well, there isn't much of a plot or story to begin with except her revenge thing, so that worked, she got the bad guy in the end.

Since the thread is about JW, let me just say that the T Rex is always cool, even in JW.

T-Rexs are awesome. Dinosaurs are awesome. I like when it eats people and roars and stuff.

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I drink milk, I ain't a cat or a supernatural being! She drinks a bit and then gives some to her pet. Totally normal. She was a meek secretary that dug cats. Not hard to believe. Then when Shreck tries to kill her, she goes through shock, downs that same milk, AND BAM, has a nervous breakdown. She didn't get powers, she just had had enough of people treating her like **** (her mom, her ex, her boss) and decided to abandon that warm, compassionate personality and become a man-hating, anarchic, femme fatale. Knowing gymnastics, bullwhips and kickboxing isn't a stretch (not if you can accept a sci-fi burglary outfit, fighting in knife stilettos and last minute Batpod driving skills) for all we knew (well if we don't read the script that had the explanations in there), Selina learned that stuff and repressed it because she lived in a "mans world". Hell, we find out before she's hurt by Shreck that she has an extroverted attitude she represses. She resents her mom, has relationship issues, etc. Exposition and spoonfeeding plot was never Burton's thing, that's Nolan. Even then, I never saw cats breathe a magical spirit into her like that ****ing Halle Berry Catwoman movie. I saw a frustrated person that suffered severe physical/mental trauma and went home a damaged/hurt individual, not unlike Batman. Batman Returns has a crap story and plot, it's definitely stupid, but scenes like her trashing her apartment after getting all teary eyed from listening to those phone messages again then tearing down her Selina Kyle persona is quite good. That whole idea of her costume being something she quickly threw together and representing her fractured, stitched together psyche that slowly comes undone as the film progresses is brilliant.

That's a lot deeper/complex than "I steal stuff, I'm a burglar. I want a magical USB to clear my record so I don't steal no mo". Hathaway had a cool suit that was a homage to the iconic Julie Newmar, yeah, but Michelle Pfeiffer made that performance her own. Sure, she stuck a bird in her mouth to try and intimidate the Penguin (which worked) and gave herself a bath (which, along with her image checked off plenty of fetish lists I'm sure) but that wasn't even half of the character. Hathaway had the nice maid disguise scene and, uhhh, the Batpod chases? So what? She didn't even own or interact with a cat! They never even call her Catwoman! She had that weird lesbian vibe thing going on with that unimportant/could have been written out of the story Juno Temple chick! They never explained how she got expensive high tech goggles, a suit, or knew how to instantly ride a Batpod! This was a world known for it's "gritty realism" and practicality, yet she's running around in serrated blade stilettos and lets her hair flow in the wind! Atleast she stole stuff and acted "catty" I guess . . .

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

T-Rexs are awesome. Dinosaurs are awesome. I like when it eats people and roars and stuff.

Spoiler

I drink milk, I ain't a cat or a supernatural being! She drinks a bit and then gives some to her pet. Totally normal. She was a meek secretary that dug cats. Not hard to believe. Then when Shreck tries to kill her, she goes through shock, downs that same milk, AND BAM, has a nervous breakdown. She didn't get powers, she just had had enough of people treating her like **** (her mom, her ex, her boss) and decided to abandon that warm, compassionate personality and become a man-hating, anarchic, femme fatale. Knowing gymnastics, bullwhips and kickboxing isn't a stretch (not if you can accept a sci-fi burglary outfit, fighting in knife stilettos and last minute Batpod driving skills) for all we knew (well if we don't read the script that had the explanations in there), Selina learned that stuff and repressed it because she lived in a "mans world". Hell, we find out before she's hurt by Shreck that she has an extroverted attitude she represses. She resents her mom, has relationship issues, etc. Exposition and spoonfeeding plot was never Burton's thing, that's Nolan. Even then, I never saw cats breathe a magical spirit into her like that ****ing Halle Berry Catwoman movie. I saw a frustrated person that suffered severe physical/mental trauma and went home a damaged/hurt individual, not unlike Batman. Batman Returns has a crap story and plot, it's definitely stupid, but scenes like her trashing her apartment after getting all teary eyed from listening to those phone messages again then tearing down her Selina Kyle persona is quite good. That whole idea of her costume being something she quickly threw together and representing her fractured, stitched together psyche that slowly comes undone as the film progresses is brilliant.

That's a lot deeper/complex than "I steal stuff, I'm a burglar. I want a magical USB to clear my record so I don't steal no mo". Hathaway had a cool suit that was a homage to the iconic Julie Newmar, yeah, but Michelle Pfeiffer made that performance her own. Sure, she stuck a bird in her mouth to try and intimidate the Penguin (which worked) and gave herself a bath (which, along with her image checked off plenty of fetish lists I'm sure) but that wasn't even half of the character. Hathaway had the nice maid disguise scene and, uhhh, the Batpod chases? So what? She didn't even own or interact with a cat! They never even call her Catwoman! She had that weird lesbian vibe thing going on with that unimportant/could have been written out of the story Juno Temple chick! They never explained how she got expensive high tech goggles, a suit, or knew how to instantly ride a Batpod! This was a world known for it's "gritty realism" and practicality, yet she's running around in serrated blade stilettos and lets her hair flow in the wind! Atleast she stole stuff and acted "catty" I guess . . .

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Yes, you drink milk, but you weren't bitten by a bunch of cats in some alley in gotham where there's a Penguin man with blue blood. You have to look at the whole picture. Even after she falls, her complexion changes completely. Before the fall, she had some color on her face and lips, and when she's "reborn" as crazy cat lady, she looked like a dead woman with no color...which is typical of Tim Burton, but still there was physical change in that scene. If you ask anyone who has seen the film, they think she really got cat powers, whether it's true or not. The last scene doesn't help either because there she was after taking the beating of a life time to remind people that she was alive and perfectly fine. There was nothing normal about her behavior and as far as the gymnastic and fighting skills, it's not consistent with who she is in the beginning of the film, the shy, weird, cat lady...who apparently has a black belt in karate and Olympic level gymnastic skills which she can perform in high heels also. I can see why it was left out of the film. What's so complex about her? Shy woman with a cat fetish falls from a building, becomes a slut and wants revenge....what the **** does that have to do with a Batman movie?
I agree that the heels on the Hathaway catwoman were stupid, but her "skills" are more consistent with her personality, background and who she is in the film. She might not be the most complex character in the film, but seeing her fight along batman several times was pretty cool as opposed to the softcore porn fight Catwoman had with Batman in Returns. Is a batpot really that different from a bike? It's not rocket science and she had like a day to practice with it. She wore a leather outfit, nothing to explain. As far as the goggles, she either stole them or she bought them. What is there to explain again? They even showed that she had a long criminal record. So they didn't call her Catwoman, they still call her by her name which makes sense, since Batman usually calls her Selina, not Catwoman. Who else was going to call her that? She wasn't famous or well known. Even in Returns, it was Catwoman herself who says the name initially and maybe the only time that happens. That's right, an hour after her non-supernatural experience, she's wearing a costume and calling herself Catwoman and using her repressed karate and gymnastic skills.

 

[greygoose]

Some nice Batman trolling. Take that **** out of here!

 

[jye4ever]

Goose,

you can't contain Maverick, let him fly.

 

[Khev]

So what did the script say about Pfeiffer's Catwoman that didn't appear in the film? I always assumed she was "back from the bead" like the Crow or whatever. She seemed to laugh four point blank shots from a revolver so I figured the nine lives thing was just a zany Burtonism. Being resurrected by cats didn't seem any weirder to me than the Joker transforming from the green chemicals or the Penguin.

The cats seemed to "de-extinct" her, not unlike the dinosaurs in Jurassic World directed by Colin Trevorrow in theaters now based off a concept by Michael Crichton.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

So what did the script say about Pfeiffer's Catwoman that didn't appear in the film? I always assumed she was "back from the bead" like the Crow or whatever. She seemed to laugh four point blank shots from a revolver so I figured the nine lives thing was just a zany Burtonism. Being resurrected by cats didn't seem any weirder to me than the Joker transforming from the green chemicals or the Penguin.

The cats seemed to "de-extinct" her, not unlike the dinosaurs in Jurassic World directed by Colin Trevorrow in theaters now based off a concept by Michael Crichton.

That's the general consensus. I don't know what the director was trying to convey. Maybe she didn't die and she didn't have supernatural powers, but the director and the people involve sure didn't want to make that clear either. Instead we get the shy woman who can't defend herself against some guy using a taser (not a gun), and then suddenly after her near death experience, she's using Karate and Gymnastics. They could have showed some medals or trophies in her apartment to let us know about this background that involves Karate and gymnastics, so no need for dialogue, something as simple as that would explain her fighting skills and agility, but they didn't and instead it was implied that there was a death and a transformation as a result of that incident.

Even when she gets shot at close range, it's not clear where she was shot, and she's counting down her lives, but then we see her at the very end of the film, perfectly fine. The movie comic might show that she got shot in the legs, but the comic is not the film, and in the film, there was no physical damage on her legs either...she doesn't even hold her leg after getting shot...like the T Rex might do in the same situation if she had longer arms, like the I Rex from JW.

 

[a-dev]

That's the general consensus. I don't know what the director was trying to convey. Maybe she didn't die and she didn't have supernatural powers, but the director and the people involve sure didn't want to make that clear either. Instead we get the shy woman who can't defend herself against some guy using a taser (not a gun), and then suddenly after her near death experience, she's using Karate and Gymnastics. They could have showed some medals or trophies in her apartment to let us know about this background that involves Karate and gymnastics, so no need for dialogue, something as simple as that would explain her fighting skills and agility, but they didn't and instead it was implied that there was a death and a transformation as a result of that incident.

Even when she gets shot at close range, it's not clear where she was shot, and she's counting down her lives, but then we see her at the very end of the film, perfectly fine. The movie comic might show that she got shot in the legs, but the comic is not the film, and in the film, there was no physical damage on her legs either...she doesn't even hold her leg after getting shot...like the T Rex might do in the same situation if she had longer arms, like the I Rex from JW.

Well saved. Totally on topic

 

[The Ween]

 

[jye4ever]

Ween wins again.

 

[greygoose]

Goose,

you can't contain Maverick, let him fly.

 

[DiFabio]

The dinosaurs in the Jurassic movies are beautiful, beautiful creatures.

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Not about Jurassic Park movies

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Pale face Clown Prince, pale face!?! She was just outside in the cold after going through shock! The color comes back to her face after that scene. Do people really think Bruce Wayne is making out with a resurrected zombie?

Stray, hungry alley cats biting the hell out of someone that just suffered blunt force trauma isn't cats bringing her back to life. Check out her fluttering eyes. That's a common trait for someone that's been hit in the head. When the head is hit with blunt force, your eyes can suddenly compresses and retract which causes blood to collect underneath the eye lids.

None of the "deaths" Selina experience are lethal. When Shreck pushed her through the window, she falls through several awnings that slow her fall. He even says later that he isn't surprised she made it and next time, he should push her out of a higher window. Batman blasts her after she finds a weak point in his armor, she falls into a construction samd truck, clearly fine. She even quips that she was "saved" before calling Batman a bastard, so she was clearly fine. Yet later, she counts it as one of her "deaths" to Shreck ("Batman killed me"), so she's clearly bluffing. Then there's the Penguin, with that scenario, she falls a few feet into some garden bed. That's it. She isn't some immortal being. When Batman lobs acid at her arm, she feels it and has a horrific burn that doesn't go away. She hurts and bleeds.

At the end, she does get shot in the legs! She's limping and clearly in pain, struggling to stand on her feet. The comic adaptation and script are more illustrative about it, the comic even shows blood flying out of her leg, but a PG-13 movie isn't going to show that. Yes, at the very end they show her looking at the Batsignal but you have to remember tha scene was tacked on at the very end of production and wasn't even something that Burton and Co. approved. Originally, Selina does die with Shreck and Penguin in the climax. Then Bruce would go off, alone, much like it is in the final film. The reason they tacked on that expensive shot at the end was because the test screening audiences all loved Selina/Catwoman and the ending was too depressing without that little shot. WB also wanted to save her just in case of a sequel. People already complain about how miserable and dark the actual ending is, now, imagine if they didn't have that final beat of her popping up and checking out the signal with the Batman theme blasting. If it didn't have that, it would have been somber and the most depressing Batman ending to date.

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So what did the script say about Pfeiffer's Catwoman that didn't appear in the film? I always assumed she was "back from the bead" like the Crow or whatever. She seemed to laugh four point blank shots from a revolver so I figured the nine lives thing was just a zany Burtonism. Being resurrected by cats didn't seem any weirder to me than the Joker transforming from the green chemicals or the Penguin.

The script goes into detail about everything and totally kills the ambiguity of Catwoman. One of the messages on her answering machine (before the second time when she loses her ****) is a recording telling her rape prevention/martial arts course membership is about to end or needs to be renewed or something. Her injuries are blatantly pointed out as being survivable incidents where she gets lucky.

The most telling thing is the audio commentary. Burton and the script writer state that she isn't supernatural or anything, just lucky like the Catwoman in the comics. Burton said he played up that ambiguous mystical quality in a few scenes, even if she wasn't brought back to life by cats or have 9 lives.

The cats seemed to "de-extinct" her, not unlike the dinosaurs in Jurassic World directed by Colin Trevorrow in theaters now based off a concept by Michael Crichton.