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I find most people willing to agree with such things until it affects them, then all of the sudden it's a different story.

Trouble with saying that overweight people and smokers should pay more for health insurance is that it the insurance companies would start looking for everything and anything to keep from paying then. You drink, you smoke, you eat too much meat, you weigh too much, you were born with too small of a liver, your ****s are too big, your arms are too short. It could go on and on.
 
Unfortunatley life aint fair, I only feel sorry for people who have actual weight issues ie things they cant help, if youve been supersizing it for the last decade pony up for another ticket.

I have no sympathy for junkies, alcoholics, crack heads and the sort. Everyday we make choices, ones YOU should be only responsible for.

There is such a thing as food addiction. Trouble with that is, you can't cut out food. If you smoke, you can quit, use drugs, you can quit, but you can't stop eating. Sure you can cut certain things out, but even too much of a good thing is still too much.

I have seen the thinnest people put away piles of plates of food away at buffets. They must have hollow legs or something. I just don't know where it goes!

Also, people are all made different. I think we all know people who can eat like there's no tomorrow and not gain an ounce, then there are others who can gain eating very little. I think people who are 20 or 30 pounds over are probably just overeating, but ones that are hundreds over, well, there's more of a problem there than just supersizing their combo meals.
 
There is such a thing as food addiction. Trouble with that is, you can't cut out food. If you smoke, you can quit, use drugs, you can quit, but you can't stop eating. Sure you can cut certain things out, but even too much of a good thing is still too much.

I have seen the thinnest people put away piles of plates of food away at buffets. They must have hollow legs or something. I just don't know where it goes!

Also, people are all made different. I think we all know people who can eat like there's no tomorrow and not gain an ounce, then there are others who can gain eating very little. I think people who are 20 or 30 pounds over are probably just overeating, but ones that are hundreds over, well, there's more of a problem there than just supersizing their combo meals.

In some cases Im sure that is true, but very few.How many people are addicted to carrots and celery? You dont need to have 2 litres of soda with every meal. Some people just dont give a damn.
 
I find most people willing to agree with such things until it affects them, then all of the sudden it's a different story.

Trouble with saying that overweight people and smokers should pay more for health insurance is that it the insurance companies would start looking for everything and anything to keep from paying then. You drink, you smoke, you eat too much meat, you weigh too much, you were born with too small of a liver, your ****s are too big, your arms are too short. It could go on and on.

But insurance premiums are based upon average risk. Insurance is about the assessment of risk. People at a higher risk should pay higher premiums, and people at a lower risk should pay less. If you think that your risk is low enough, don't even have health insurance. After all, buying insurance is betting against yourself. I think that the life insurance premiums of smokers should be higher, as in higher than non smokers, because they are at a higher risk of disease than non smokers.

I think the issue is that for a long time, people simply weren't really aware of the negative health effects of many habits, and it was ASSUMED that there was no great difference in the incidence of disease from one person to another.
Now that the knowledge is greater, and we know that certain things dramatically increase the incidence of disease, do you think it is fair to make people with good health habits and thus low risk pay the same as people who have bad health habits and high risk?
In effect, it would be to SUBSIDIZE the unhealthy people in better being able to financially get away with those bad habits.
SOMEONE has to pay for the costs of insurance. The people who place the greatest burden on it and who get the most compensation out of it should have to pay the most.
 
But insurance premiums are based upon average risk. Insurance is about the assessment of risk. People at a higher risk should pay higher premiums, and people at a lower risk should pay less. If you think that your risk is low enough, don't even have health insurance. After all, buying insurance is betting against yourself. I think that the life insurance premiums of smokers should be higher, as in higher than non smokers, because they are at a higher risk of disease than non smokers.

I think the issue is that for a long time, people simply weren't really aware of the negative health effects of many habits, and it was ASSUMED that there was no great difference in the incidence of disease from one person to another.
Now that the knowledge is greater, and we know that certain things dramatically increase the incidence of disease, do you think it is fair to make people with good health habits and thus low risk pay the same as people who have bad health habits and high risk?
In effect, it would be to SUBSIDIZE the unhealthy people in better being able to financially get away with those bad habits.
SOMEONE has to pay for the costs of insurance. The people who place the greatest burden on it and who get the most compensation out of it should have to pay the most.

And who is going to judge all this? Who is going to say who should pay more? There are too many ifs, ands and buts. Even the healthest of people can get sick. Get sick too much and you should pay more, even though you don't smoke, drink, eat too much? Your body produces too much cholesteral, so you pay more because your risk of a heart attack is higher? You pay more because cancer runs in your family? Where does it end?
 
I reckon it would be fairer to base premiums on the number and type of claims you make, that way you pay on an 'as needs basis'. Everyone starts off with a clean slate and on the same page.
 
And who is going to judge all this? Who is going to say who should pay more? There are too many ifs, ands and buts. Even the healthest of people can get sick. Get sick too much and you should pay more, even though you don't smoke, drink, eat too much? Your body produces too much cholesteral, so you pay more because your risk of a heart attack is higher? You pay more because cancer runs in your family? Where does it end?

The insurance companies will say who pays more , because they are the ones issuing the policies. The costs would be determined by an accurate assessment of the real health care costs for treating specific illnesses that certain people are likely to get. Even the healthiest of people can get sick, but they get sick less often, which is why they should pay less for premiums. There is no certainty either way. Someone might get disease or might not. That is why insurance premiums are based upon what things generally cost. If it was certain that someone wouldn't get sick, they wouldn't need insurance, and if it was certain that someone WOULD get sick, no insurance company would cover them. Instead, they would have to pay their money into their health care fund. They would need to invest their money in an account which would earn interest, and which would only be used to pay their health care costs. Some car insurance is like that, too. There are some states in which if you have enough money, you can put it into a fund, and you never have to pay for car insurance. Of course, that is hundreds of thousands of dollars, and most people can't afford that. There are some companies that are literally self insured, like the DuPont company. They make so much money, that they pay for their own insurance.

In terms of where does it end, ultimately, it is based upon averages, and what is known about the odds of a certain person with a certain risk level developing a disease, and how much that will cost to pay for to treat. That is what insurance is.
Perhaps you are talking about socialized medicine, in which everyone simply pays taxes according to their tax bracket, and that pays for all of the health care, so that how likely anyone is to get disease is not a factor in determining each individual's health care costs.
I will say one thing though, about health care reform. Insurance companies should be willing to pay for any treatment method that works, whether it is alternative or allopathic. Insurance companies should also be willing to pay for health and prevention programs, when many times, they work better and are cheaper over the long term than only paying to treat disease once it is fully developed.
 
I reckon it would be fairer to base premiums on the number and type of claims you make, that way you pay on an 'as needs basis'. Everyone starts off with a clean slate and on the same page.

but at some point a person wouldn't be able to afford it and what if they've paid premiums for 20 years and never used it but then all of sudden they have health issues and it's raised so high they can't afford it. I wouldn't want health care similiar to auto insurance.

but anywho, K. Smith needs to eat less and exercise so his fat flaps don't touch me in the plane seat next to him or buy a 2nd ticket. I can't see the airline folk enjoying telling someone they need to buy 2nd ticket if he didn't really need to buy a 2nd one.
 
You know whats lost in all this??? The weigh of the airline employees on the flight, right? All this talk about using up fuel, so the Captain and co should all be under 150 Lbs :)
 
but at some point a person wouldn't be able to afford it and what if they've paid premiums for 20 years and never used it but then all of sudden they have health issues and it's raised so high they can't afford it.

If you have paid premiums 20 years and not made a claim and you get sick the premiums you have paid over that time would be their lowest. The premiums would only rise dependent upon the number of claims. Your illness would be taken care of and you next premium would be for the applicable amount for someone who has made one claim and had suffered from the disease you claimed against. Variable dependent upon the illness you suffered from. Someone who has had numerous claims and could no longer afford it would probably have died earlier without the insurance they had paid for up until that point. As in all instances, if you can't afford it, opt out. I think that's pretty fair, but unlikely to ever be implemented.

Insurance companies are heading toward taking you DNA sample and charging you according to genetic factors, where you live, whom you live with, your lifestyle and the oxygen quality of the air you breathe. Hardly fair, mostly because they deceptively include factors and conditions you most likely have no clue about but can be contested should they not wish to pay you out. Survival of the fittest. They may as well be replicating Hitlers program or offer you euthanasia if you don't make the grade. They have to make their money somehow, so they opt to look for anything they can implement to not have to pay out, no matter how unreasonable it is. Their concern isn't for your welfare. Reforms only go so far and usually, because they are only reforms, work with the current flawed models as a basis to expand upon.
 
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