Action Figure King Arts - Avengers AoU - Hulkbuster (Diecast 1/9 Scale)

[Motuxmen]

I agree with motuxmen. The diecast has more weight, and over time, will wear out the joints faster. What he meant by less chance of scratches was that you won't risk scratching the paint by removing and inserting the Mark 43 on the King Arts version.

Thank you. I knew what I wrote was not that complicated.

 

[GRAW]

Buying toys is not a business decision.

 

[Lawrence]

It's clear you don't think this thru...

Less wear on the joints from weight. (edited out). Not playing with it. If the joints are to be the same, the lighter it is the less wear or potential for wear it will have the joints.

Depends what part of the figure is diecast, how the weight is distributed, & how it will be posed. If the diecast is all in the KA's legs, then I don't really see the concern about wear & tear on the joints. I don't think there will be too many HB's being displayed doing a Kung Fu kick. Minimal joint wear & tear difference between a well engineered partly diecast figure vs a well engineered plastic figure I'd say.

Now I'm sure I'll need to explain this to you asxwell...since you seem to miss every nearly every point made...so I'll save myself the time and do it here that way you don't look so bad and can say "I knew that" for once...value as it applies here is what you get for what you spend. KA hulkbuster plus mk43 equals same cost (roughly) as Hot toys hulkbuster. The hot toys version has a mk43 built in, minus the legs. But it includes swap out parts including additional helmet options and BD parts to replicate scenes from the film (which is the stated purpose of both figures via there manufacturer) as well as being 40-60% larger in mass. Hence, better value.

Well, by your logic, one could argue that 2 KA HB's "equals same cost (roughly)" as one HT HB. So KA wins size & mass, so is it now the better value for money HB? That will not be the reason that determines which figure is better value for money. The "which is better value for money?" question does not have a universal "yes" or "no" answer when comparing these 2 figures I think, because collectors value certain aspects differently. The way something looks vs the way it functions, large scale vs small scale, plastic vs diecast ..... etc. Value for money when comparing things is more subjective I feel. Plus, the cost per figure isn't even consistent through all regions. Also, I think you are talking more about size, rather than mass (yes, there is a difference). Mass & weight are more relative to each other, than mass & size. & your argument seems more based on size, not weight. If it was weight, then the KA might actually have better value for money going on your logic.

Feel free to ignore this post if it makes too much sense. Then I'll know you secretly agree with me .....

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Feel free to ignore this post if it makes too much sense. Then I'll know you secretly agree with me .....

Somehow I don't see that happening.

If you decide to get the King Arts HB, will you get their Hulk with the jackhammer arm accessory to go with it?

 

[Lawrence]

Somehow I don't see that happening.

Why? He's done it before .....

Secretly .....

If you decide to get the King Arts HB, will you get their Hulk with the jackhammer arm accessory to go with it?

I'm thinking not. I don't like being forced to buy their Hulk statue to get the jackhammer arm. Maybe if it's parted out on eBay for a reasonable price, or if KA do a proper add on pack for their HB at a reasonable price, then yeah. They've done add on packs before, so I want them to do it again for their HB. If that's not in KA's plans, then I think it might leave a sour taste in my mouth .....

 

[GRAW]

I'm thinking not. I don't like being forced to buy their Hulk statue to get the jackhammer arm. Maybe if it's parted out on eBay for a reasonable price, or if KA do a proper add on pack for their HB at a reasonable price, then yeah. They've done add on packs before, so I want them to do it again for their HB. If that's not in KA's plans, then I think it might leave a sour taste in my mouth .....

No interest in their Hulk at all, both me and the HB can live without the jackhammer arm..

 

[Lawrence]

No interest in their Hulk at all, both me and the HB can live without the jackhammer arm..

Definitely can do without the jackhammer arm. One can even go as far as to say even without the XLIII, it can still be it's own figure.

Of course I'd prefer to have the XLIII & jackhammer arm in my collection

 

[TimothyR]

yes it does look amazing but with the price of the mk 43 added in your talking about a price close to what ht are selling the hulkbuster for with the mark 43 bust included. That and the size are whats preventing me from picking up this version versus ht's.

Yeah, the size is the biggest deterrent for me. Sure, it's cheaper and I'd get more, but then I'd have no hulkbuster to display with the rest of my Hot Toys figures.

It does look great, though I think the paint could've been more accurate. The paint just makes it look too pristine.

This is definitely not something I'll be picking up, but I'll definitely be jealous of those that do. Even with its flaws, it still looks fantastic.

It's clear you don't think this thru...

Less wear on the joints from weight. Fool. Not playing with it. If the joints are to be the same, the lighter it is the less wear or potential for wear it will have the joints.


Also, your whole diecast vs plastic scratch thing. I didn't say it was because plastic. If you actual read and more important understand what I said...I said pulling the 43 in and out and placing in on the 44 has an infinitely higher chance of scratching the 44 then the way hot toys has it, which is the built in. Pretty simple. But let's look at your statement about diecast vs plastic scratch...your also wrong on that. Different material scratch and damage at different rates. Meaning one is easier to scratch then the other. And is also easier to see. The diecast is metal and is much easier to scratch. The paint actually bonds with the plastic. It doesnt with the metal. And if the plastic scratches it's still red (the plastic is cast in red) so the scratch is less apparent.

And then your "I'd rather have two for the price of one"...well dang. I can go to the dollar store and get 700 dollar store figures for the price of your two. So I win! Just Becuase it's more numbers doesn't make it equal. Price per inch or square inch is the only way to measure accurately different size items. Hot toys is better value. You get much more "material" which is what your two for one" is using. The hot toys figure is better value. Now I'm sure I'll need to explain this to you asxwell...since you seem to miss every nearly every point made...so I'll save myself the time and do it here that way you don't look so bad and can say "I knew that" for once...value as it applies here is what you get for what you spend. KA hulkbuster plus mk43 equals same cost (roughly) as Hot toys hulkbuster. The hot toys version has a mk43 built in, minus the legs. But it includes swap out parts including additional helmet options and BD parts to replicate scenes from the film (which is the stated purpose of both figures via there manufacturer) as well as being 40-60% larger in mass. Hence, better value.


And just to point something out..when you erroneously assumed my concerns had to do with "playing" with my figure you laughed...I find this insulting to everyone, including yourself. It's a toy. Your arguing about being able to play with two toys, and put them together and take them apart, and make them play together but try to make some idiotic joke Becuase you assumed I may pose my everyday..you see that your making fun of your self right?

I'm sorry, but when you have so many spelling errors, I think you should refrain from calling someone else a "fool".

 

[Motuxmen]

Who cares if I spell a word correct, or use proper grammar? If you can't attack the mean take shots at the spelling? And given the fact the definition of fool has zero to do with spelling...it's hard to take someone serious when their argument base is critiquing spelling and then uses an anology that's definition is erroneous. Silly right?

 

[Motuxmen]

Depends what part of the figure is diecast, how the weight is distributed, & how it will be posed. If the diecast is all in the KA's legs, then I don't really see the concern about wear & tear on the joints. I don't think there will be too many HB's being displayed doing a Kung Fu kick. Minimal joint wear & tear difference between a well engineered partly diecast figure vs a well engineered plastic figure I'd say.

Well, by your logic, one could argue that 2 KA HB's "equals same cost (roughly)" as one HT HB. So KA wins size & mass, so is it now the better value for money HB? That will not be the reason that determines which figure is better value for money. The "which is better value for money?" question does not have a universal "yes" or "no" answer when comparing these 2 figures I think, because collectors value certain aspects differently. The way something looks vs the way it functions, large scale vs small scale, plastic vs diecast ..... etc. Value for money when comparing things is more subjective I feel. Plus, the cost per figure isn't even consistent through all regions. Also, I think you are talking more about size, rather than mass (yes, there is a difference). Mass & weight are more relative to each other, than mass & size. & your argument seems more based on size, not weight. If it was weight, then the KA might actually have better value for money going on your logic.

Feel free to ignore this post if it makes too much sense. Then I'll know you secretly agree with me .....

Wrong. Again. The KA 43 plus 44 is STILL not as massive as the hot toys 44. Which was my point. In fact it's exactly what I said. Two King arts figures are still less mass then the one hot toys figures. So, again, incorrect.

The hot toys HB is as tall as the King arts 43 and 44 combined (roughly). But wider then both, deeper then both. Sorry

 

[alex1984]

Depends what part of the figure is diecast, how the weight is distributed, & how it will be posed. If the diecast is all in the KA's legs, then I don't really see the concern about wear & tear on the joints. I don't think there will be too many HB's being displayed doing a Kung Fu kick. Minimal joint wear & tear difference between a well engineered partly diecast figure vs a well engineered plastic figure I'd say.

Unfortunately with these diecast figures, most companies try to market the percentage of parts made from diecast. Which means they would put them on most major pieces all over the body rather than being focused in specific areas.

I absolutely agree with you that value and aesthetics and collector value are subjective. The HT HB is way outside my budget range, sadly, but although the KA and SHF HB are more affordable, to me, they wouldn't fit into the rest of my collection, and the bang-for-buck value isn't necessarily better than HT.

As an aside, though, I thought I'd point this out:

Mass & weight are more relative to each other, than mass & size.

Weight = mass * gravitational acceleration, so they're indeed positively correlated. However, mass = volume * density, so unless we're considering something extremely hollow/dense, there's still gonna be a reasonable level of correlation between mass and volume (size).

 

[Motuxmen]

It is subjective. Entirely. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with the KA version if you like it. I have it coming(along with the shf and imaginarium and hot toys and I'll order both CMC if hey get made).

But the price to achieve the same pose and be movie accurate for the KA hulkbuster would need to also include the KA43, and that means it's essentially the same price as the hot toys version. Through bbts the (King arts) 43 is 200 and the 44 is 649. So 849. The hot toys 44 is 825. So a wee bit cheaper. That's my issue. The king arts is 650 dollars and has no way to show the 43 without buying it seperate. It's only 175 bucks cheaper (roughly) but is around half the size.

But like I said, it's a great piece. It's just not on the same level or value as the hot toys figure. King arts has come a long way in a short time. Their products continue to impress. Not taking anything away from them. But when compared to hot toys they are just not as good or as good a value, yet. The hulkbuster (KA) is essentially the same size as a hot toys 1/6 figure, just a bit thicker. And look how many people slammed hot toys for the price of the 43 or WM mk1 recently. Is this King arts figure really worth 300 dollars more then those? Maybe. But it's a valid point. And a big reason King arts can justify the price is because it's diecast. But in reality there's not really anything that should make diecast more expensive. It's a brilliant marketing ploy. (And yes, I know people think it makes them feel higher quality due to the weight. But it's not actually higher quality. You can achieve the same thing by putting weight inside the torso.) if you like DC that's fine. I have all the hot toys DC figures. Nothing wrong with it. But adding 20% to the cost just so I can feel it heavy for like 1% of the time I own the figure doesn't seem worth it to me.

 

[2littlemoney]

It is subjective. Entirely. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with the KA version if you like it. I have it coming(along with the shf and imaginarium and hot toys and I'll order both CMC if hey get made).

But the price to achieve the same pose and be movie accurate for the KA hulkbuster would need to also include the KA43, and that means it's essentially the same price as the hot toys version. Through bbts the (King arts) 43 is 200 and the 44 is 649. So 849. The hot toys 44 is 825. So a wee bit cheaper. That's my issue. The king arts is 650 dollars and has no way to show the 43 without buying it seperate. It's only 175 bucks cheaper (roughly) but is around half the size.

But like I said, it's a great piece. It's just not on the same level or value as the hot toys figure. King arts has come a long way in a short time. Their products continue to impress. Not taking anything away from them. But when compared to hot toys they are just not as good or as good a value, yet. The hulkbuster (KA) is essentially the same size as a hot toys 1/6 figure, just a bit thicker. And look how many people slammed hot toys for the price of the 43 or WM mk1 recently. Is this King arts figure really worth 300 dollars more then those? Maybe. But it's a valid point. And a big reason King arts can justify the price is because it's diecast. But in reality there's not really anything that should make diecast more expensive. It's a brilliant marketing ploy. (And yes, I know people think it makes them feel higher quality due to the weight. But it's not actually higher quality. You can achieve the same thing by putting weight inside the torso.) if you like DC that's fine. I have all the hot toys DC figures. Nothing wrong with it. But adding 20% to the cost just so I can feel it heavy for like 1% of the time I own the figure doesn't seem worth it to me.

fyi, ka hulkbuster is 16.14 inches tall, plus its thickness, its way bigger
than a normal sized ht figure(12 inches）
i think its difficult to say which one is better than the other,
both has its pros and con. like for ka, you got 2 figures to play with instead
of one. while the ht one is huge and certainly has a much stronger present.
its nice to give consumers choice between the two with roughly the same price,
is it not?

 

[Motuxmen]

I know it's bigger then a standard figure. A couple inches over most the larger suits like striker (13.5-14 inches) and peacemaker. And yes, it's thicker. But it's not two times as large. Heck the 1/4 mk43 is larger and still 100 bucks less.

And yes you have some more options having the 43 removable. But the HT version has poses the KA can not do, even with the 43 bought seperate.

People treat hot toys different then they do other companies. Look at all the complaining and freaking out over the Veronica module at SDCC last year. People throwing a fit that hot toys wouldn't include such in important piece (even though they never said either way) with the figure. But King arts doesn't include the 43 and it's kinda shrugged off for the most part. Lol

If hot toys made and marketed a figure who's headline feature and key selling point was that you had to spend an additional 200 bucks to use people would lose their minds. And not to mention screen accurate issues.

 

[Lawrence]

Wrong. Again. The KA 43 plus 44 is STILL not as massive as the hot toys 44. Which was my point. In fact it's exactly what I said. Two King arts figures are still less mass then the one hot toys figures. So, again, incorrect.

The hot toys HB is as tall as the King arts 43 and 44 combined (roughly). But wider then both, deeper then both. Sorry

Nice try, but you are mistaken again. Take a deep breath, slow down, put your glasses on if you need them, & read my post carefully. Not once did I say the KA HB + KA XLIII were as massive as the HT HB. Go on & quote where I said that on my previous post. I bet you can't. You're trying to hard to find any errors in my post, but wind up making more mistakes of your own

Should have read my post properly & secretly agreed with me ..... again .....

As an aside, though, I thought I'd point this out:

Weight = mass * gravitational acceleration, so they're indeed positively correlated. However, mass = volume * density, so unless we're considering something extremely hollow/dense, there's still gonna be a reasonable level of correlation between mass and volume (size).

Not quite, because you can't ignore the density level in the mass equation, & diecast is more dense than plastic. No need to try to cover up for Motuxmen's error. He clearly meant dimensional size. He didn't bring it up in his reply to my previous post, so I know he agree's with me that he used the word "mass" incorrectly. If he didn't agree with me, we would have read a post about how "wrong" I was on that subject. You think Motuxmen will skip a chance to try to belittle a member here, if he feels he has something "smart" to say?

That's how I know when I/someone has made a valid point against his argument. He says nothing about it again. No "oh yeah, that's what I meant ", no "sorry, I was mistaken", no "you are probably right", nothing like that. He simply carries on from where he thinks he looks best in the argument.

Through bbts the (King arts) 43 is 200 and the 44 is 649. So 849. The hot toys 44 is 825. So a wee bit cheaper. That's my issue. The king arts is 650 dollars and has no way to show the 43 without buying it seperate. It's only 175 bucks cheaper (roughly) but is around half the size.

KA import value vs HT retail value. Hey that's fair ..... not.

But like I said, it's a great piece .....

Can't you leave it at that?

I get you really like the HT Hulkbuster. Yay. So do I.

 

[alex1984]

Not quite, because you can't ignore the density level in the mass equation, & diecast is more dense than plastic. No need to try to cover up for Motuxmen's error.

Nah, I'm not trying to cover up for him, just thought I'd point out there's still usually a correlation between mass and size.

Visually, diecast vs plastic doesn't make that much difference, at least to me. I do see the appeal of diecast in terms of that cold metallic feel, the added durability, and heft. The material itself isn't really necessarily worth more, but I tend to attribute the added cost to possibly a more difficult manufacturing process. However, many of the flaws mentioned by motuxmen is valid, paint doesn't bond as well to diecast as it does to plastic, making diecast more prone to chipping. Furthermore, a lot of times the plastic underneath the paint would be of a similar colour, making scratches less visible.

You make a valid point in that diecast doesn't have to put additional wear on the joints, but like I mentioned in my previous post, to make the customers feel they got their money's worth, the diecast is probably gonna be all over the figure, not just strategically placed. So the increased wear from the use of diecast, especially on a figure of this size, is a fairly legitimate concern.

Between the two materials, it's a trade-off at best. However, between the 2 companies, they chose 2 very different approaches to this figure: different scale, different materials, 1 figure vs. 2 figures, etc... I don't really think there's much sense trying to compare them to each other. For me, personally, with my collection being primarily 1/6th, I'd pick the Hot Toys (if I can afford it), especially since I had absolutely no interest in having a Mark 43 to begin with, due to it being so similar to the Mark 42. The ability to put in a full Mark 43 figure into the HB is a very nice feature for the KA one, but the inability to pose him opened up without shelling out an additional $200 for the Mark 43 is bad. It feels like an incomplete product. If KA was to include a removable bust with the HB, I'd definitely agree it's a better value.

Just thought I'd put it out there, while I enjoy the feeling of cold metal and heft, the cost of these new diecast figures from Hot Toys has become hard to justify (especially with the crappy CAD currency right now), so I'm content with picking up the older plastic versions at a more reasonable price.

 

[spindrift]

Love the DC feature of the KA Hulkbuster- it looks superb. I want it. However without the Mk 43 figure to put in it it is woefully incomplete- I can't get past that. KA should have put a 43 bust in the HB for those who don't want to buy a complete 43. Really bad move in my opinion.

 

[holtrax]

Love the DC feature of the KA Hulkbuster- it looks superb. I want it. However without the Mk 43 figure to put in it it is woefully incomplete- I can't get past that. KA should have put a 43 bust in the HB for those who don't want to buy a complete 43. Really bad move in my opinion.

Exactly my thoughts as well. Having to buy the mark 43 just adds to the price of the hulkbuster and brings the price so close to the HT hulkbuster that you might as well get the ht version. That and the size...its all about the size you know...

 

[Lawrence]

Visually, diecast vs plastic doesn't make that much difference, at least to me.

No you are right. Hence why it's difficult to tell what parts are diecast without touching.

I do see the appeal of diecast in terms of that cold metallic feel, the added durability, and heft.

To me it's important to feel the touch of the diecast & feel the heft at the same time. That's why I'm a bit disappointed the diecast isn't all over the piece. I don't want a heavy piece for the sake of being heavy. If a figure (any diecast figure) was 80% diecast, but it was all interior diecast, & I couldn't touch any of it while handling, then it defeats the purpose of why I wanted it in the 1st place.

You make a valid point in that diecast doesn't have to put additional wear on the joints, but like I mentioned in my previous post, to make the customers feel they got their money's worth, the diecast is probably gonna be all over the figure, not just strategically placed. So the increased wear from the use of diecast, especially on a figure of this size, is a fairly legitimate concern.

Maybe you missed the previous discussion about where the diecast is on the KA. It's already been said that most, or nearly all of it is in the legs (& a bit on the forearm if I'm not mistaken). To me, sadly, that sounds like most of the armour plates are plastic. Hence why I want the CMC HB as well now.

However, many of the flaws mentioned by motuxmen is valid, paint doesn't bond as well to diecast as it does to plastic, making diecast more prone to chipping. Furthermore, a lot of times the plastic underneath the paint would be of a similar colour, making scratches less visible.

Agree. I never argued against what Motuxmen said there. He makes valid points. It's when he tries to morph his opinion into absolute fact, is where I think it gets ridiculous. Acting like he is speaking for the toy manufacturers, & passing his statements off as fact, when they are not. Like when he said the toy manufacturers sole (one & only) intended purpose for these HB figures, is to mimic what is seen onscreen, which I disagree with, & is proven by the inclusion of the "not movie accurate" clear yellow HB face plate for the KA figure. But as usual, he won't openly change his stubborn stance on that matter, & only comments that the bonus face plate is "weird" To me, the whole onscreen accuracy argument, was simply a way for him to make the display options with the XLIII gimmick, look like a complete waste of time, taking away one of it's strongest features, & strengths, I guess to defend his precious HT, since it can't do it.

 

[Loomunis]

Alex made an objective comment. It doesn't appear he's taking anyone's side but instead providing the facts. We've gone over details upon details. Countless positives and negatives on both KA and HT figures already. The rest are just subjective to collectors who can find a use for both figures: 1/6 scale Plastic HB (w/ weathered-paint) and 1/9 scale diecast HB (w/ pristine armor) + cockpit hatch. Heavier doesn't mean its better. Imagine lying on the couch and you have the urge to fiddle with diecast figures...a slip of a finger could mean a possible concussion ^_^.......anyhow, KA gets my thumbs up for an earlier release date.

[Update: And no, like Motux said he's not taking anything away from KA HB. He sees these figures as mainly display pieces and works of art. There's nothing wrong with this view. It may be a waste of time for a person to open-up hatches & turn on LED gimmicks but others see it as added value. He's practical and stands on one side - doesn't mean he skews his views. *no pun intended. I respect that.

I dunno about you guys, but i'm happily appreciating the release of this figure