Lance Armstrong A Cheat or Legend

[Star Puffs]

Fact of the matter is, it had to come from him.

For absolute certainty, of course, for a rational assessment, not at all. Remember Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens have never failed a drug test either.

As you said yourself when Greg LeMond became sceptical, so did you. When I heard his teammates turn on him, that was when I was certain beyond a reasonable doubt. If you need to be spoon-fed by direct admission of guilt, then you are frankly just a morally and intellectually immature person, because life is seldom that neatly resolved whether in our everyday lives or public scandals.

And beyond the cheating, look at the arrogant, egotistical personality type the were roaring in defence of. This is a guy who probably dumped his wife, the one who stood by him through cancer and gave him three kids, for a celebrity relationship (Sheryl Crow). Who floated running for governor. And managed to turn the admission of guilt, which is the bare minimum standard of morality and redemption, into another attention-grabbing spectacle. What a "legend".

 

[King Darkness]

* lol at people invested in this waste of time *


* goes to play with dolls *


* pantless *

 

[devilof76]

But he rode a bike. Fast.

 

[King Darkness]

* playing with dolls *

 

[devilof76]

* wishing I brought dolls to work *

 

[King Darkness]

* wishing I brought pants to work *


* secretly glad I didn't *

 

[devilof76]

It's 6 degrees here. Pants are important.

 

[Frank]

For absolute certainty, of course, for a rational assessment, not at all. Remember Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens have never failed a drug test either.

As you said yourself when Greg LeMond became sceptical, so did you. When I heard his teammates turn on him, that was when I was certain beyond a reasonable doubt. If you need to be spoon-fed by direct admission of guilt, then you are frankly just a morally and intellectually immature person, because life is seldom that neatly resolved whether in our everyday lives or public scandals.

And beyond the cheating, look at the arrogant, egotistical personality type the were roaring in defence of. This is a guy who probably dumped his wife, the one who stood by him through cancer and gave him three kids, for a celebrity relationship (Sheryl Crow). Who floated running for governor. And managed to turn the admission of guilt, which is the bare minimum standard of morality and redemption, into another attention-grabbing spectacle. What a "legend".

It was circumstantial evidence at best. I thought it was fairly ludicrous to say this guy was the only one who didn't dope out of these top cyclists who were found out, but ultimately he hadn't really failed any tests (at least that we could verify at the time). Goes to show how obsolete those tests were. There was still wiggle room while he denied it. Now it's all over.

I let it go awhile back thinking, eh it doesn't affect me at all. It still doesn't, but it is a great reminder how badly we can place our bets.

He also banged an Olsen twin.

He's a galactic douche and now finally we can all spend less time thinking about him now that his career is in the gutter.

To all those who think it doesn't matter because everyone was doing it, you're forgetting about sportsmanship and integrity.

 

[devilof76]

Ew. Sex with one shrivelled ball. Terrible, but to be expected from a cast member of Full House.

 

[fosing]

He also banged an Olsen twin.

its not like she hasn't taken ***** to the face before.

a single ball wont make a difference.

 

[Bullseye]

Its sad that its been confirmed but not unexpected. He has let himself and his fans down, especially those who defended him to the last.

What is worse than taking the drugs (I would say they ALL took drugs) was his attempts to destroy other people who came out and revealed he had taken drugs. He called one woman a "Whore", he defamed a number of others in his attempt to protect himself.

 

[CelticPredator]

Lance Armstrong: Legendary Cheater.

 

[DPrime]

Both.

However, I think we're all going to have to come to terms with the fact that performance enhancing drugs are here to stay. And by no means did they make it "easy" for him. So maybe one day, he'll be forgiven.

What was that documentary about steroids called... "Juiced", I think? Good flick.

Not that I consider atheletes to be "heroes" or anything. Obviously many do, that's their business.

 

[Frank]

its not like she hasn't taken ***** to the face before.

a single ball wont make a difference.

Ew. Sex with one shrivelled ball. Terrible, but to be expected from a cast member of Full House.

Knowing what we know now, he probably wanted to get her in the same bed Heath died just to say "Now, let's put smile on that face!"

What is worse than taking the drugs (I would say they ALL took drugs) was his attempts to destroy other people who came out and revealed he had taken drugs. He called one woman a "Whore", he defamed a number of others in his attempt to protect himself.

This sums it up.

 

[DPrime]

Wow - I didn't know he was such a douche about it all!

Well, good, then. He deserves all that's coming to him, legand or not.

 

[Centurion]

Message to thread creator:

Maybe you should now change your poll to read:



Guilty or Not Guilty

• Drug Cheat
• Legend (might as well correct this )
• The Jury's Still Out
• *********

 

[youbastards]

Give the money back to Nike, Lance....just do it.

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[Centurion]

Oh snap!!

 

[Blackthornone]

If you had half a brain, you'd be Chancellor.

Explain how someone could go faster than the car in front of them. You mean the first car goes faster so that traffic doesn't get backed up? You mean raise the speed limit? Safety issue there, because a lot of people don't have the skills to drive fast safely. Fewer cars on the road is the only real solution to gridlock. Fewer people would solve the problem too.

Watching athletic events on tv is to exercise what watching porn is to having sex.

 

[Star Puffs]

It was circumstantial evidence at best.

"circumstantial evidence"

Do you live your life and make judgement based on legal procedure and standards?

If there existed only "circumstantial evidence" your girlfriend was sleeping with your best friend, would you carry on as if everything was kosher, taking any denial from them at face value?

The people at SSF here that were adamant defenders of Penn State (one of whom was Bad Moon, hence his burning hatred of me) had much the same 'legalistic' mindset. They loved to use words like "heresay" to ignore the reality in front of their face. Someone trotted out that word in this thread too.

Hence my point about the clods defending Armstrong needing to be spoonfed guilt by direct admission.

I admit I held on in believing he was not guilty until George Hincapie turned on him. Having lived much of my life in Europe, anti-Americanism was always a viable theory. I could have almost believed that after the LeMond (despite the irony of a French surname) and Lance dominance, that Europeans were seething at Americans stealing the limelight of a Euro-sport. If the States ever win the World Cup, watch out....

Plus I did not want to be that liberal and hate Armstrong just because he was a conservative icon.