Live Free Or Die Hard out today! Any Freaks see it yet?

[The ill Jedi]

mcclan is a nerd? or is it the mac boy?

Mac Boy...he had a pretty sweet pad, too bad it gets blown to smithereens.

 

[pjam]

Saw the 12:30 at the Chinese, but reluctant to comment.. maybe someone should post a new thread with Spoilers?

 

[Bannister]

mcclan is a nerd? or is it the mac boy?

I haven't seen it but I assume the stuff is the MAC guys.

 

[Darth Caedus]

From what I understand this movie was shot as an R, so there will probably be an unrated dvd that has stuff added back in.

God I really hope so....

mcclan is a nerd? or is it the mac boy?

John McClaine eats nerds for breakfast with some soy sauce. They taste like chicken.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

this movie was great. i just got back from seeing it. lots of action, shooting, blowing things up. the only thing that is different is that they didn't have a whole lot of swearing in it.

 

[Eli26]

this movie was great. i just got back from seeing it. lots of action, shooting, blowing things up. the only thing that is different is that they didn't have a whole lot of swearing in it.

Yes because irrelevant swearing makes for a better movie watching and hearing experience. hehe

 

[PosterBoyKelly]

Yes because irrelevant swearing makes for a better movie watching and hearing experience. hehe

With McClane.........IT DOES.

 

[DouglasMcc]

With McClane.........IT DOES.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic ... but, if that's all McClane means to you, in my opinion, you're missing the point.

This is still the same character. He still kills criminals who get in his way ... and he does it in vicious ways when necessary. He's just as sarcastic, just as caustic, etc. in this film. He just doesn't let the F bomb fly every 5 minutes. If that truly destroys your enjoyment of the film, then so be it. But you will be missing out on a great film. Schindler's List great? No. Better than the first film as Bruce has implied? No ... although not because of the lack of f##k or the toned down blood. But, it's still a great action movie in the same league as 1 and 2 ... heck, I even liked it better than 3. Vengeance felt like just another NY cop with a few McClane lines. This movie felt like McClane from the first 2. Don't really know how to explain that better, but that's how I feel.

 

[PosterBoyKelly]

McClane means something to people?

Anyway, my point is the swearing IS part of the character. I'm sure it's a great movie, I'll see it, probably fun. But the thing is, is it's NOT the same as it was in the late 80's early 90's, action movies PRIME TIME! Things didn't need to be PC or toned down. Not that I think "swearing" is cool or something, it's just the fact that it was watered down. THAT'S the frustrating part.

Die Hard is so fun and such a stereotype of action movies, it perfected the formula. But lewdness IS part of that formula. It's that whole middle class guy in the late 80's smart ass attitude. Saying things and not giving a ******. But cuting it out means, SOMEONE GIVES A ******. The attitude changes. Maybe not right out, but it's there. I know swearing is TOTALLY trivial, but for this type of movie and this character, it's become a staple, and now it's gone due to marketing.

 

[Darth Caedus]

I haven't seen the movie yet, but from what I've seen so far, this McClaine looks like The Terminator and not John McClaine, he doesn't seem "human" as he was in the first three movies. He's not James Bond, but that's what he looks like from the previews for the movie.

 

[PosterBoyKelly]

I think by 4, after being in 3 extremley ODD and HUGE violent situations, you get Terminator in-human status. That I can see being human. In each one he get's a little more "How'd this happen to me?" but than after a while, you'd be like "Here we go" and just start kicking ass like it's a habit. I can see it taking away your humanity a little.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I think by 4, after being in 3 extremley ODD and HUGE violent situations, you get Terminator in-human status. That I can see being human. In each one he get's a little more "How'd this happen to me?" but than after a while, you'd be like "Here we go" and just start kicking ass like it's a habit. I can see it taking away your humanity a little.

lol i guess thats what they were going for. after a while you just get used to it. like in the commercial when the apple kid asks him if he's done this kind of thing before and McClane just shrugs it off as another day at the office. in the thread earlier i was just pointing out the lack of excessive swearing because people were concerned that the PG13 rating would make the movie inferior to other Die Hard movies. which it doesn't.... i just wanted people to know that.

 

[DouglasMcc]

McClane means something to people?

Anyway, my point is the swearing IS part of the character. I'm sure it's a great movie, I'll see it, probably fun. But the thing is, is it's NOT the same as it was in the late 80's early 90's, action movies PRIME TIME! Things didn't need to be PC or toned down. Not that I think "swearing" is cool or something, it's just the fact that it was watered down. THAT'S the frustrating part.

Okay, first off, I am not naive. I fully realize that the PG-13 was some idiot in marketing's idea. And while Bruce has lately stated that the PG-13 rating doesn't bother him, he was mad as hell when it first leaked out. And I was too. I was one of the first here to ***** about the PG-13. In fact, I went to see the movie yesterday expecting crap - but out of loyalty to the character. And to answer your question, yes, some of us have loyalty to John McClane ... he was one of the first action heroes I came into contact with as a child. I loved Moonlighting for Willis's smart ass, ****y attitude ... McClane was David Addison to the 100th degree - with a killer instinct to boot. The character just stuck with me over the course of the films. Is it any different from people who have a connection to Rambo/Rocky? I believe we develop a connection to characters both in print and film ... it's what makes us give a damn about all these sequels in the first place.

But, back on topic. I realize the lack of cursing was more of a marketing decision. However, it still could work with the character. Doing the math (assuming he was in his late 20's/early 30's in the first film - his daughter was 4. In this film, I would guess shes in the 17-18 range. So, that would put him in the mid-40 range at youngest. Who's to say he hasn't changed as a person. Even in part 3, he showed signs of realizing the "old" McClane was what destroyed his marriage. I would imagine hanging up on Holly when he realized Simon was in Canada didn't help much either Is it so impossible to believe he try to "become a better person" as he aged. I would assume from the narrative in 4 that his life had been pretty plain since Vengeance. So, I could see the character development of him giving up alcohol ... cutting back on the cursing ... just generally trying to be a better example for his children. That may sound stupid, but I have seen it happen in real life. My father used to curse like crazy. My mom said it started when he got back from Vietnam. Well, about 3 years ago, when my step-sister was 8, she told him to f##k off. He got angry, but I think it hit him ... he was teaching her that ... what right did he have to be angry? So, he slowly cut back ... and if you saw/heard him today, you probably wouldn't recognize him. Who's to say that McClane didn't have a similar epiphany? He still curses when things go bad ... just not as many F bombs (well, technically, he does say one, but you can't hear it).

Yes, all of that is rationalization for an idiot in marketing making a stupid decision. I still pray we get an unrated cut of the movie on DVD. HOWEVER, it works with the narrative. And, when something works, it doesn't bother me as much. The PG-13 didn't feel out of place like in AvP - the poster child for bad ratings editing. And to be honest, the main reason I was so pissed when I heard it was going to be PG-13 was because it brought back AvP images. But, in my opinion, it still worked and felt like "Die Hard".

 

[Eli26]

McClane means something to people?

Anyway, my point is the swearing IS part of the character. I'm sure it's a great movie, I'll see it, probably fun. But the thing is, is it's NOT the same as it was in the late 80's early 90's, action movies PRIME TIME! Things didn't need to be PC or toned down. Not that I think "swearing" is cool or something, it's just the fact that it was watered down. THAT'S the frustrating part.

Die Hard is so fun and such a stereotype of action movies, it perfected the formula. But lewdness IS part of that formula. It's that whole middle class guy in the late 80's smart ass attitude. Saying things and not giving a ******. But cuting it out means, SOMEONE GIVES A ******. The attitude changes. Maybe not right out, but it's there. I know swearing is TOTALLY trivial, but for this type of movie and this character, it's become a staple, and now it's gone due to marketing.

Well said PBK! Well said!

Can't believe there are intelligent Hulk fans out there. Kidding. hehe

 

[pjam]

Yeah, Fox Execs PG'd this for theatrical release as a lot of Dads who grew up with DH are bringing their kids... I saw a good amount of this in the Theatre yesterday.

DVD, that's another Story, Expect an R version.

 

[Darth Loki]

Yeah, Fox Execs PG'd this for theatrical release as a lot of Dads who grew up with DH are bringing their kids... I saw a good amount of this in the Theatre yesterday.

DVD, that's another Story, Expect an R version.

I was wondering if there may be a Directors Cut that is rated R or something.

I took my Dad to see this last night. I wasn't going to see it but we've seen all of them in the theater and besides SW, this has always been our franchise. I have to say that I was pleasantly suprised. It still had the same Die Hard feel even without the cursing. Bruce is awesome and the Mac kid (can't remember his name) is a great compliment because he's a got a great smart ass mouth too. Decent story (though probably the weakest of the 4), great action seens though.

Even got to see a few SSC pieces that I own

It certainly is worth owning and hopefully a rated R version will turn this really good movie into a great movie.

 

[pjam]

If Fox doesn't release an R rated DVD they are just stupid, it will outsell a PG 13 DVD 3 to 1.

 

[Darth Caedus]

If Fox doesn't release an R rated DVD they are just stupid, it will outsell a PG 13 DVD 3 to 1.

Ive highlighted the key words here...I think cancelling family guy once is just enough justification for me that they are.

 

[Darth Caedus]

WOW..WOW...WOW Just got back from seeing it and it was great. Everything, except for the should have been cut out fighter jet sequence, was fantastic. I was VERY wrong about this movie and will probably see it again. You do forget about the cursing, but there were some little swears here and there. But John McClaine didn't have time to curse, we was too busy killing bad guys that were delivered from 1-800-Henchman.

Justin Long didn't annoy me as much as I thought he was. He was actually a pretty good sidekick, his part was written very well. Obviously he's no Samuel L Jackson, but I liked him. And his daughter, , we liked her a lot.

 

[jungle jom]

I agree...

Just about as perfect a Die Hard movie as you could want. The tone and attitude without the F-bombs. I didn't miss the off color language a bit.

I also could have done without the fighter jet but I think it was included to playcate the younger audience because that is what they have been conditioned to expect in an action film.