LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[EVILFACE]

Pretty good episode. Ben with the new castaways shows that the Island doesn't care about him.

And we finally see why this is 3 years later, so they could account for Walt being older lol.

 

[plasmid303]

Is Abaddon really dead?

 

[DarthNeil]

I thought Ben waited to kill Locke because he needed that crucial piece of information about who was going to help them get back-- remember, he killed him immediately after Locke gave the name Eloise Hawking.

Great episode... and it certainly looks like it was this new group of castaways that fired at Sawyer & all when they were on their boat. I wonder who Sawyer shot then?... Caesar?

 

[FlyAndFight]

Another great and interesting episode. It's certainly one that bares a repeat viewing.

I love how both Widmore and Ben gave the same "I'm the good guy" speech to Locke. Widmore did seem a bit out of character, though. Ben was simply being the usual coniving Ben.

So the plane did crash after all. Now they can introduce a slew of new characters, if they wish.

We didn't get to see anything more from the Jin meeting Jack/Kate/Hurley story, though, and that was the cliff-hanging ending of last week's episode.

Cool to see Walt again.

 

[Natrix]

Ah, that's right. I'm such an idiot during the episode when Locke mentioned Jin I thought, "So that's how Ben knew he was alive." "duh So now we just have to wonder how Ben got ahold of Jin's ring. I suppose that also makes sense for Ben to kill Locke because if Locke wasn't going to try to get Sun back then it would mess up getting them all back for whatever purpose getting them all back is for.

So now that we know time is moving more slowly on the island (three years to the Oceanic Six, a week give or take for the ones left behind) that blows the theory that the island stopped time hopping during the Dharma era and those left behind have been living among them for awhile. Well maybe not, maybe time sped up compared to the rest of the world after Locke left. Oh who knows, makes my head hurt thinking about it.

Ben grabbed it off the dresser before he left. They focused directly on the ring sitting on the dresser when he saw it there.

 

[Darth Caedus]

I think the reason Ben killed Locke was because if the other losties HAD Locke, they wouldn't need Ben. We found out that everything Ben knew about getting back to the island, he learned from Locke; How to get back, Eloise Hawking, Jin being Alive, EVERYTHING he learned from Locke. Remember, that Christian Shepherd keeps telling Locke to do things for the island (move it and then get his people back), but Ben takes it upon himself to take these missions from Locke and do it himself. The island wants Locke to do them, but Ben wants to continue to be the leader by doing them himself, even though he knows the island doesn't want him. Ben doesn't want to give up his power and wants to steal it from Locke. And we've noticed, that whenever Ben tries to steal a mission from Locke, something goes HORRIBLY wrong. Let's see if something goes wrong with him bringing everybody back to the island.

I really hope next week, Locke beats the crap out of Ben, cant' wait to see the expression on his face when he sees that John is alive.

And for the people on the plane that crashed, WHERE was "hospital" and office that the new crashies were in? Was it a Dharma station? I was trying to figure it out, but I couldn't.

 

[Shropt]

A few questions:

1) So the new plane wreck people are on the second island?
2) Is Abaddon really dead? Is he an immortal?
3) Is Widdemore the good guy?
4) Why did Ben kill Locke?

Man, that episode asked WAAAAY more questions then it answered.

 

[Darth Caedus]

A few questions:

1) So the new plane wreck people are on the second island?
2) Is Abaddon really dead? Is he an immortal?
3) Is Widdemore the good guy?
4) Why did Ben kill Locke?

Man, that episode asked WAAAAY more questions then it answered.

1) That's the biggest question I have
2) I think he's pretty toast in all of his creepy glory
3) I don't think ANYBODY is the good guy: Ben and Widmore are both scum
4) In my post above, I think that's why Ben killed Locke

 

[EVILFACE]

And for the people on the plane that crashed, WHERE was "hospital" and office that the new crashies were in? Was it a Dharma station? I was trying to figure it out, but I couldn't.

I think the new losties were in the Hydra station, which is on a seperate island?

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

ahhhhhhhh vantage point is where i have seen Ceasar.....that was driving me crazy!

 

[Darth Caedus]

So I was thinking about the whole Locke/Ben/Widmore triangle. Tell me if this is right:

Ben tricked Widmore into leaving the island, Widmore thinks Ben tricked Locke into leaving the island, whereas Christian told Locke that actually Ben tricked Locke into not leaving the island, when Jacob told Locke, not Ben, to move the island.

My brain hurts....I wonder which is true

 

[Darklord Dave]

Great episode. I think it's obvious that Ben was planning on keeping Locke alive until he heard about Ellie. Then he didn't need Locke any more - why that would be, I don't know.

It does seem Widmore is lying and it's kind of surprising Locke would believe him - he saw him as a kid and knows he was an ^^^^^^^ back then. He also didn't really justify whey he sent a team of killers to get Ben and kill everything they touched.

Funny, I was seeing Abbadon here and wondered who you all were talking about. I heard his name as Avedone - but having the name of one of the lords of Hell may be more appropriate. I just think of him as the Fringe guy now.

 

[EVILFACE]

The only thing that bugged me about the episode was Jack's beard. In the season finale he had a grizzly adams beard, but last night espisode was supposed to be from the same timeframe he only had about a weeks worth of growth.

 

[Moonloop]

I am getting the impression that Widmore is on John's side and actually seems as if he is agreeing to let fate decide who protects the island. While Ben is trying to take fate into his own hands at any cost. I started liking Ben at the beginning of this season, but now I really don't think his actions are justifying his reasons; if he is doing this for greed and so he can attempt to maintain his leadership of the island.......then I really disagree with him and I am not liking what he is doing. Widmore appears to be the "better" person of the two in doing what is right for the island.

I don't understand how there are so many survivors from the crash, there were at least 20-30 people. When I know Hugo bought 78 tickets and the plane was practically empty while in flight.

So I guess the fact that John Locke is alive is the island truly showing that it needs him.

Excellent episode, one the best.

In a way, I hope they don't bring back the Sawyer/Kate/Jack triangle again.

If anything it should just be Sawyer and Kate . I wonder how they will react when they see each other again.

 

[SwedishHeat]

I think Widmore is definitely the good guy. Ben's always been a manipulative little punk.

As for why the mercs killed everyone. . . well, it's obvious the Kimi (That was the head merc's name, right??) was a psychopath. It wasn't Widmore's intent to kill everyone. He told the mercs to get rid of Ben Linus, and the mercs just didn't distinguish between Linus and anyone else.

 

[Darth Caedus]

As for why the mercs killed everyone. . . well, it's obvious the Kimi (That was the head merc's name, right??) was a psychopath. It wasn't Widmore's intent to kill everyone. He told the mercs to get rid of Ben Linus, and the mercs just didn't distinguish between Linus and anyone else.

Do we know if this is the case? Wasn't the secondary protocol to torch the island if they couldn't get Linus?

Didn't Kimi say something like: "widmore created the secondary protocol because he's a smart man" or something like that?

 

[Agent0028]

Ben grabbed it off the dresser before he left. They focused directly on the ring sitting on the dresser when he saw it there.

Thanks. I missed that.

I think Widmore is definitely the good guy. Ben's always been a manipulative little punk.

Penny would disagree.

 

[tomandshell]

I thought the episode was OK, but not the best. What we knew going into it was that Locke had visited each of the Oceanic Six (minus Sun) and had asked them to return to the island. Last night felt like the abbreviated Reader's Digest version of what we already knew had happened without success. I guess they had to go and show us that at some point, but other than Widmore's involvement we didn't really see anything mind blowing in the process. The whole episode felt like filler until the final scene.

I think that Widmore doesn't know about Mrs. Hawking's location (or else he would have found her--and therefore the island--by now) and Ben knew that Locke had been working along with Widmore's assistance. He probably assumed that Widmore was the only one guiding Locke. When Locke mentioned Hawking, Ben knew that information could have only come from Jacob--which in fact, it did. (When Ben senses that Locke has been in communication with Jacob, he has a bad habit of trying to kill him.) I think that it was the mention of Hawking that for some reason caused Ben to kill Locke, when he realized that there was more to Locke's quest than he realized.

 

[FlyAndFight]

...When Locke mentioned Hawking, Ben knew that information could have only come from Jacob--which in fact, it did. (When Ben senses that Locke has been in communication with Jacob, he has a bad habit of trying to kill him.)

Are you saying that Christian is Jacob? I thought it was understood that Christian was not Jacob but "filling in", if you will, for him.

 

[Moonloop]

You know, a lot of people are saying that it was Ben's intention to kill Locke once he entered the room. Based on the scene and the way it was constructed it was as if Ben had almost immediate access to cleaning supplies (gloves, towel, spray bottle w/ cleaner, etc.). Yeah he might have went in the janitor closet and such, or maybe he always carries around cleaning supplies in case he randomly decides to kill someone? It seemed planned to a certain extent.

Also, Sayid married the woman he loved. I assume this is the women we saw in one of his earlier flashbacks that he knew from his childhood, whom he refused to torture and eventually let her escape. And now she has been murdered? I wonder if that has anything to do with Ben or if it is just something that happened with no tie in to the main story.