LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[beeshaw]

Has anyone gone back to that final poster that had the Easter eggs for this season and found any yet? I forgot all about it!

 

[FlyAndFight]

It will all end with a yin/yang thing anyway, the rest is just tertiary.

I'm pretty sure you are right but that would be kind of a let-down for me. Hopefully they won't leave it so open ended that they can come back to the island via "movies" and milk the island cash cow a different way...

But the writers addressed this in the opening dialogue of the episode. The island mother told the real mother, "for every question I answer you are just going to have more questions... so stop asking questions." This line made me smile... I felt that the writers were trying to say that some things we are just going to have to accept.

Sounds like a cop-out. They have based the entire show on questions and answers and to say "OK, that's enough questions" when they themselves continue to create more, just doesn't go over well with me. Plus, when you stop asking questions, life grows stale.

Okay, I have a theory for how the series will end.

It's just a theory, but I'm gonna put it in spoiler tags, not because I think so highly of my theory that it has to be right, but because if it is right it will spoil a really amazing moment.

Spoiler

I think that In the finale episode The Locke from the sideways universe will have his consciousness shifted in to the body that MiB is using. He will take control of the body which is still holding the smoke monster/light of the island. He will go into the heart/eye of the island thus returning the light and in the process sacrificing himself. (Remember how Locke saw Smokey and he said he looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful?). Jack will be left to be the new guardian of the island, much like Jacob's "mother" was. And he will not have to serve as a jailer. It would be nice if he could have some company, so I will throw in that I predict that Kate will stay with him... not sure how that would work though.

If you read it, let me know what you think.

Fantastic theory, Maglor! I especially like the part with Locke's death having some meaning now.

 

[tomandshell]

too bad the posters and t's all look 'meh' at best.

The final eight posters (at the top of the page) haven't been revealed yet. I agree that the four available posters from last night's event aren't quite worth a purchase.

Has anyone gone back to that final poster that had the Easter eggs for this season and found any yet? I forgot all about it!

I have it in my office--nothing major in the end.

Hurley is holding a torch, and the flame is in the shape of an ankh. So that was a clue as to what was inside his guitar case. Also, in the top right of the poster, you can see Flight 815 flying safely over the Island without crashing. Which was a clue about the alternate/sideways timeline.

 

[tomandshell]

This is ironic:

Drifting satellite threatens US cable programming

Communications company Intelsat said it lost control of the Galaxy 15 satellite on April 5, possibly because the satellite’s systems were knocked out by a solar storm. Intelsat cannot remotely steer the satellite to remain in its orbit, so Galaxy 15 is creeping toward the adjacent path of another TV communications satellite that serves U.S. cable companies.

Galaxy 15 continues to receive and transmit satellite signals, and they will probably overlap and interfere with signals from the second satellite, known as AMC 11, if Galaxy 15 drifts into its orbit as expected around May 23, according to the two satellite companies.

 

[pixletwin]

Man that would suck.

 

[Rock83]

I understand that the most important thing is how it will end for the characters but i still feel like we need an answer to what the Island/Light is all about,and what it can do...Moving the island through time is what i feel like need to be answered.

Why Jacob is so desperate to keep Smokey on the island might be as simple as Jacob promised his mother he will protect the Light whatever the cost,and it went out when Smokey came out so...Smokey/Light are probably the same,at least Jacob might think so.

 

[Maglor]

Last night was the "Lost Live" event with a live orchestral performance, cast appearances and a viewing of Tuesday's episode. I'm sad that I couldn't go, but they are selling the remaining prints and shirts unveiled last night right here:

https://damoncarltonandapolarbear.com/xrx/body.php?module=store&id=172

I kinda like the Smoky tee.
https://damoncarltonandapolarbear.com/xrx/body.php?module=product_details&pid=2851&id=172

 

[beeshaw]

I have it in my office--nothing major in the end.

Hurley is holding a torch, and the flame is in the shape of an ankh. So that was a clue as to what was inside his guitar case. Also, in the top right of the poster, you can see Flight 815 flying safely over the Island without crashing. Which was a clue about the alternate/sideways timeline.

I figured the Hurley torch/ankh but wasn't sure what else there was.

I understand that the most important thing is how it will end for the characters but i still feel like we need an answer to what the Island/Light is all about,and what it can do...Moving the island through time is what i feel like need to be answered.

Why Jacob is so desperate to keep Smokey on the island might be as simple as Jacob promised his mother he will protect the Light whatever the cost,and it went out when Smokey came out so...Smokey/Light are probably the same,at least Jacob might think so.

I'm sure that they'll give some more answers to that stuff. It will all probably be pretty important to the end of the show I'd imagine.

I kinda like the Smoky tee.
https://damoncarltonandapolarbear.com/xrx/body.php?module=product_details&pid=2851&id=172

That's the only thing of all that merch I'd think about picking up.

 

[Rock83]

if they focus only on how they all will end up and what the sideways world really mean,and who is Jacob`s replacement i feel like the previous seasons were all for nothing,The flashes/timetravel and the candidates ended up in the 70`s etc...The Mysteries on the Island DOES matter.

 

[YoNoSe]

It's nice to be back into this thread - I skipped town fearing spoilers, but at this point

Just some random IMHO observations -

I don't think throwing MIB down the waterfall put the light out. I think it was just blocked by the smoke monster flying out of the cave.
When Ben turns the donkey wheel many, many years later the light can still be seen coming out of the wall.

I don't feel like I need any more info on what smokey is exactly, what the light is exactly, etc. I would like to see some more in-show debate about the reliability of the information we have gotten and I'm sure that will come.

I think the impossibility of proving what the light/island/monster ARE is essential to one of the basic themes of the show - making huge sacrifices based on faith. You can't have meaningful resolution for someone like Jack if the big mysteries can be definitively explained and quantified.
They could have easily had a trustworthy character detail the mysteries of the island in a monologue. They purposely supplied info via a murderous, child-stealing woman of dubious origin.

The writers aren't randomly dismissing mysteries for us to imagine the answers. They are strategically vague about certain fundamental ideas because that is the nature of the story they are telling.
Not to say there aren't plot points and minutia that feel by the wayside - TV production, like archeology, is not an exact science. But in the grand scheme I truly feel they are going to do right by the audience.

 

[Rock83]

It's nice to be back into this thread - I skipped town fearing spoilers, but at this point

Just some random IMHO observations -

I don't think throwing MIB down the waterfall put the light out. I think it was just blocked by the smoke monster flying out of the cave.
When Ben turns the donkey wheel many, many years later the light can still be seen coming out of the wall.

I don't feel like I need any more info on what smokey is exactly, what the light is exactly, etc. I would like to see some more in-show debate about the reliability of the information we have gotten and I'm sure that will come.

I think the impossibility of proving what the light/island/monster ARE is essential to one of the basic themes of the show - making huge sacrifices based on faith. You can't have meaningful resolution for someone like Jack if the big mysteries can be definitively explained and quantified.
They could have easily had a trustworthy character detail the mysteries of the island in a monologue. They purposely supplied info via a murderous, child-stealing woman of dubious origin.

The writers aren't randomly dismissing mysteries for us to imagine the answers. They are strategically vague about certain fundamental ideas because that is the nature of the story they are telling.
Not to say there aren't plot points and minutia that feel by the wayside - TV production, like archeology, is not an exact science. But in the grand scheme I truly feel they are going to do right by the audience.

off course,how can i forget about that

Like their mother said to them both as kids: "Someone could try take the light,and if they do they can put it out,and if it goes out on the island,it goes out everywhere"

Even if Jacob threw MIB in the light,MIB took the light and came out as Smokey,and Jacob is now keeping Smokey trapped on the island because if it lets out,everyone will die like he has said before.

Jacob`s motives are now pretty obvious,but yeah like you said,the light could be seen when ben and Locke turned the wheel so...

The mother told them "A little bit of this light is inside of every man,but they always want more"....Does she mean Greed maybe?Always want more...

I have been thinking all day after i saw the episode yesterday

 

[tomandshell]

At this point, I'm OK with not knowing specifically "what" the Smoke Monster is. I would also be OK if we never get more information about what "the Heart of the Island" is all about. It's basically whatever was inside the suitcase in Pulp Fiction--you decide for yourself.

At one point, sure, I thought that we would be getting more concrete answers and explanations--but now that we are at the end of the series, I can see that it's ultimately not that kind of show. It raises questions and possibilities and gives you just enough bits and pieces to draw your own conclusions and create your own meaning. LOST will end up being "about" different things to different people precisely because we're left with a little ambiguity.

If we do have a pocket of electromagnetic dark matter under the Island that is powerful enough to stabilize a wormhole through time and space (all of which has some basis in scientific theory), then how would human beings who lived 2,000 years ago understand/interpret it? Would they ascribe spiritual significance to it? Does the glow represent electromagnetism, or God? Or both? If the producers answer that question definitively one way or the other, then they have inevitably let down a portion of the audience either way.

The producers need to end the show in a way that satisfies both the men of science and the men of faith; the people that want it all left open to interpretation and those that want answers. I don't envy them...

 

[Maglor]

I don't think throwing MIB down the waterfall put the light out. I think it was just blocked by the smoke monster flying out of the cave.
When Ben turns the donkey wheel many, many years later the light can still be seen coming out of the wall.

I was thinking about that earlier today... I hope it's not a continuity error...

The writers aren't randomly dismissing mysteries for us to imagine the answers. They are strategically vague about certain fundamental ideas because that is the nature of the story they are telling.
Not to say there aren't plot points and minutia that feel by the wayside - TV production, like archeology, is not an exact science. But in the grand scheme I truly feel they are going to do right by the audience.

I agree.

At this point, I'm OK with not knowing specifically "what" the Smoke Monster is. I would also be OK if we never get more information about what "the Heart of the Island" is all about. It's basically whatever was inside the suitcase in Pulp Fiction--you decide for yourself.

At one point, sure, I thought that we would be getting more concrete answers and explanations--but now that we are at the end of the series, I can see that it's ultimately not that kind of show. It raises questions and possibilities and gives you just enough bits and pieces to draw your own conclusions and create your own meaning. LOST will end up being "about" different things to different people precisely because we're left with a little ambiguity.

If we do have a pocket of electromagnetic dark matter under the Island that is powerful enough to stabilize a wormhole through time and space (all of which has some basis in scientific theory), then how would human beings who lived 2,000 years ago understand/interpret it? Would they ascribe spiritual significance to it? Does the glow represent electromagnetism, or God? Or both? If the producers answer that question definitively one way or the other, then they have inevitably let down a portion of the audience either way.

The producers need to end the show in a way that satisfies both the men of science and the men of faith; the people that want it all left open to interpretation and those that want answers. I don't envy them...

What an excellent post. I agree on every level.

 

[beeshaw]

Fan Made Finale Promo... Gave me goosebumps!

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[Maglor]

Very nice! Got me even more amped up than I was already!

 

[Shropt]

At this time next week, there will be no more LOST.

 

[UTtoyfan]

At this time next week, there will be no more LOST.

 

[EVILFACE]

Gonna end with Jack and Locke sitting on the beach with a cruise ship coming towards the island.

 

[316what]

At this time next week, there will be no more LOST.

This time next week we will all be lost without LOST.

 

[Rock83]

It will be a sad day