LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[The Josh]

Some of it I'm glad I've been wrong on. Though we still have one more show left.

 

[Buttmunch]

Anyone else see Jacob. I did. Seriously, I thought I saw someone in the shakes. Appearently we see him for 11 frames. Here are some pics of them.

https://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/11-frames-of-jacob.html

That last close up looks like Locke with long hair!??? ???

 

[Entropy]

Locke has a very special relationship with the island and all the Others are primed to love and follow him. I think he will grow to be their great leader, as Ben knows full well... we are also primed for the big showdown between Locke and Jack in the season finale.

This sounds very likely.

We know Locke's special relationship with the island results in his spinal injury being healed, did it also allow him to hear Jacob (and will it heal that wound)? And why does Ben want The Others to believe he was born on the island? Is it to make them think he's special? Is Locke the 'real deal' that Ben is pretending to be? If so, does that mean Ben's gonna die soon? He's my fav. And was Ben's mom the smoke monster - like Eko's brother or Jack's dad? Will Ben be killed by said smoke monster/mom?

 

[Batty]

Anyone else see Jacob. I did. Seriously, I thought I saw someone in the shakes. Appearently we see him for 11 frames. Here are some pics of them.

I saw him too. I had to rewind it and watch it in slow motion.

 

[Entropy]

Ben is able to talk with Locke, who has become the leader of the Others. Future Locke gives orders to Ben in the past.

From the look of those pictures you could be right about this also Tom. A future Locke with hair that goes by the name Jacob? Would this be the Bad Twin hinted at in that Lost novel?

 

[LOTRFan]

Woah! So that spoiler site DID prove itself correct, a warning for subsequent weeks.

That's Jacob ... I saw him on a tortilla once.

"Help me .... "

 

[Darth Caedus]

This sounds very likely.

We know Locke's special relationship with the island results in his spinal injury being healed, did it also allow him to hear Jacob (and will it heal that wound)? And why does Ben want The Others to believe he was born on the island? Is it to make them think he's special? Is Locke the 'real deal' that Ben is pretending to be? If so, does that mean Ben's gonna die soon? He's my fav. And was Ben's mom the smoke monster - like Eko's brother or Jack's dad? Will Ben be killed by said smoke monster/mom?

Well the guy just assumed that Ben was born on the island when Ben said that his mother died when he was a child on the island. Also, when Ben said that he saw he, he just assumed. Ben has played them all for fools since the very beginning, I like that. How very OZ of him, like the full circle of the references. And yea, I think Ben wanted the hostiles to think that he was born on the island so they can make him their leader. I too think that "jacob" will heal john so he can come back and ***** slap Ben. I think it would be safe to assume that Ben's mom was the smoke monster, since she couldn't pass through the sonar gate thingy.

What does jacob need help doing? why does he need john's help? Other threads seem to think that jacob is john from a possible time shift. He certainly does on the losteastereggs site. This is not a bad theory...

'Jacob' could be Alvar Hanso. Founder of the great Dharma Initiative. Bear with me, as it's only a theory:

The "natives" or "hostiles" lived on the island relatively as minimalists. They were aware of the power the island had but lived in harmony with it. Enter the Dharma Initiative, a technological group put on the island with hopes to harness the energy of the island, for reasons I can't yet formulate.

Threatened by this, and with the help of young Ben, who over the years helped smuggle the means of overthrowing Dharma, do just that. They kill everyone except Alvar Hanso, whose communion with the island is great, and is greatly amplified by the use of technology.

Thus, they take Hanso hostage. He "feels the way Locke does about technology" not because he truly feels that way, but rather access to this technology would greatly advance his ability to escape.

Though why they would keep him hostage, I'm not sure. Maybe Ben can harness Jacob's communion with the island (his power) to keep the Others following him. This could be why Ben is threatened by Locke, who seems to hold a very similar comminuion with the island.

Here's a pic of "jacob"

I personally think that Ben can't hear Jacob, he wanted to see how gullible locke was so he is pretending to. Locke however can, that's what freaks Ben out and caused him to shoot him. Maybe only people who kill their fathers can see Jacob ( i know it's reaching, but it's possible ) Or maybe only killers can see Jacob (but that seems too harry potterish)

 

[tomandshell]

The only thing more fun than coming up with crazy theories is seeing them proved wrong when the show does something unexpected. It's great that with all the people trying to figure things out, the producers and writers can still manage to surprise us. When Ben started talking to "Jacob" I figured, OK, they are going that way with it. He's crazy. But then when things started shaking and we heard the voice and saw the flash (I caught it the first time but my wife didn't) my theories just kind of went out the window. I hope Locke gets healed from his latest life threatening injury so he can get back into the haunted shack and figure out why the ghost of Jacob needs help. Although it didn't surprise me that Ben shot him after realizing that Locke really did hear something. Jealous guy--Locke's connection with the island just keeps getting deeper and deeper and I don't think Ben likes that very much. Were the producers just throwing us off when they told us to expect a Jack VS. Locke showdown in the finale? Because based on that, I certainly wasn't expecting the episode to end the way it did.

And now we are going to have to figure out why Richard Alpert is immortal. Is there a fountain of youth on the island? How many of the Others are natives and how many were recruited from off the island? I am curious as to why Ben is the leader when Alpert is clearly the one who recruited/initiated him. (Looks like you have to kill your dad to join the club.)

Once again, for every one of the little answers they provide, tons of new questions are introduced. It will be fun to see the new explanations that emerge after this episode.

 

[Darth Caedus]

The only thing more fun than coming up with crazy theories is seeing them proved wrong when the show does something unexpected. It's great that with all the people trying to figure things out, the producers and writers can still manage to surprise us. When Ben started talking to "Jacob" I figured, OK, they are going that way with it. He's crazy. But then when things started shaking and we heard the voice and saw the flash (I caught it the first time but my wife didn't) my theories just kind of went out the window. I hope Locke gets healed from his latest life threatening injury so he can get back into the haunted shack and figure out why the ghost of Jacob needs help. Although it didn't surprise me that Ben shot him after realizing that Locke really did hear something. Jealous guy--Locke's connection with the island just keeps getting deeper and deeper and I don't think Ben likes that very much. Were the producers just throwing us off when they told us to expect a Jack VS. Locke showdown in the finale? Because based on that, I certainly wasn't expecting the episode to end the way it did.

And now we are going to have to figure out why Richard Alpert is immortal. Is there a fountain of youth on the island? How many of the Others are natives and how many were recruited from off the island? I am curious as to why Ben is the leader when Alpert is clearly the one who recruited/initiated him. (Looks like you have to kill your dad to join the club.)

Once again, for every one of the little answers they provide, tons of new questions are introduced. It will be fun to see the new explanations that emerge after this episode.

For the Alpert question, I wouldn't be surprised if either he doesn't age, or ben aged extremely fast. I'm going with the doesn't age. I still hope there is a locke vs jack finale, but not i'm REALLY hoping for a locke vs ben finale. How is ben going to explain that locke, the one they were looking up to, just dissapeared. I suppose he could just blame it on jacob. ah, no more thinking, i gotta study and go to sleep.

 

[Batty]

"It's kinda hard to celebrate on the day you killed your mom."

Ouch!

 

[LOTRFan]

Locke is poised to take Ben's place as The Island's moral and spiritual leader, that for my dollar is why Locke was shot; he is a real threat.

Jacob likely doesn't speak normally, that Locke heard him was revolutionary. I would be willing to wager that Jacob was originally Dharma and that his cabin has been abandoned since the "purge;" Ben has used it as a rouse ... until now!

 

[tomandshell]

My first response to seeing Richard in the jungle confronting young Ben (well, second after the initial "what the...") was that he was a survivor from the Black Rock.

So the island makes you immortal but unable to reproduce. Hence their fascination with children.


And why does Jacob have a painting of Vincent in his cabin?

 

[Darklord Dave]

Lots of murdering fathers in this show - Kate and Ben literally; Sawyer and Jack metaphorically. Jin lies about his father being dead, Sun wishes her father were dead. I'm sure there's more.

So are the "Hostiles" the actual crew off the Black Rock? Living on the island for hundreds of years?

 

[tomandshell]

Rewatching it now.

Here's a great line from Ben:

"You do remember birthdays, don't you, Richard?"

(With a nice smirk in the direction of the immortal guy.)

 

[tomandshell]

It also seemed that when Richard encountered little Ben in the jungle, he was particularly interested in his vision/encounter with his dead mother. Perhaps the "natives" are aware of Jacob's presence but are unable to communicate with him. Ben is special that way, as Richard realized early on.

Perhaps Walt had that potential as well, and Ben saw that as a threat and wanted him gone. Now when he confirms that Locke has that ability as well, he shoots him. I think that Ben wants to protect his exclusive position as Jacob's go between. (Although Jacob himself doesn't seem to be very happy with the situation.)

Also, Jacob supposedly doesn't like technology. It was the moment when Locke turned on his flashlight inside the cabin that things went crazy and we saw the brief glimpse of him sitting in the chair. I suppose that is important somehow...



(And maybe if there had been power in the area, the dormant particles of the black smoke security system wouldn't have been lying around for Locke to stick his fingers in. Or did Ben intentionally turn it off somehow?)

 

[DarthNeil]

My first response to seeing Richard in the jungle confronting young Ben (well, second after the initial "what the...") was that he was a survivor from the Black Rock.

So the island makes you immortal but unable to reproduce. Hence their fascination with children.


And why does Jacob have a painting of Vincent in his cabin?

If Richard is an immortal on the island how was he able to leave the island to get Juliette?---- Would his immortality be affected?

Notice no Ethan when we saw young Ben.... reason?

 

[Darthrazz]

Ok, so the Dharma purge happened, I'm guessing many years ago. So is it safe to say that there are no more Dharma people on the Island? If that is the case, our favorite Kurgan was in the hatch after the first Gulf War. I'm guessing that the Dharma purge occured before the Gulf War. That being the case, did Kelvin(Clany Brown) get recruited by Dharma after the purge? Is/did Dharma continue to send people to the Island? They are obviously still doing food drop offs.

I think that Kelvin, is Jacob, or should I say JaKob?

 

[The Josh]

During the commerical break we pasued the show and went back to look at Jacob. We all had guesses who it might be but I'll be interested to see who it really is.

 

[Darthrazz]

Here's a screen cap of Jacob, I think that it's definitely Locke, with a beard , but WITHOUT hair. It looks like a cat is on his shoulder and his tail is curved at the right angle and it looks like it's his hair. Check out this image and let me know what you think???

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[Agent0028]

I dunno, could be a cat, but its kinda like those pictures where you see two things (An old woman and a young woman) depending on your perspective. I can see the cat when I see the lines, but I can also ignore the lines and it looks like hair. Similar to seeing shapes in clouds.

Maybe I was hearing things, but when Locke said "help me" in the ditch, it sounded alot like when Jacob said "help me" in the cabin.

Maybe its from watching too many Bond movies, but I kept thinking when Ben was talking to the empty chair Locke should have asked, "And what will happen if I shoot the chair?" Bet that woulda got things shaking real fast.

And why do villains always have to have a bad home life? UGH!