tomandshell
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My brain hurts.
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KrisSolo
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Maybe Jacob is Bob, the demonic possesor of Leland Palmer who killed Laura Palmer then himself, back from the redroom to seek out Agent Cooper... NO-ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!
JoeSweden
Super Freak
Or General Zod?!!
tomandshell
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The producers revealed in the official podcast today that Bai Ling will be returning in a future season and it will be revealed that she was the one who gave the shark his Dharma tattoo.
Didn't even consider it being a literal shark. I never noticed that the shark had a Dharma tattoo. Just one more reason I love this thread, catches me up to speed on all the stuff I didn't catch.
Darth Caedus
Formerly Congerking
Im going to agree with Tom that my brains hurts.
thar be spoilers and brain hurting ahead.
I guess that's the problem with theorizing and trying to tie together multiple plot threads and characters with a show like this.
Knowing everything that has happened in the first 3 seasons, could you even being to explain what the heck in happening on this show to someone without their head hurting? Even hitting the basics is confusing: a plane crashes on what appears to be a tropical island and the survivors, each of whom has secrets and a mysterious past, must contend with kidnapping natives, polar bears, a killer smoke monster that can appear as anyone, and hidden scientific research bunkers left behind by a mysterious group called the Dharma Initiative. Doesn't even begin to touch the really odd things like a marooned slave ship, 4 toed crumbling statues, 108 minute button pressing electromagnetic discharges, a telekinetic invisible leader, time travelers, tattooed sharks and cgi talking parrots.
So now that they've announced an end date to the show, I wouldn't be surprised if they did something similar in the narrative for the characters. That way it would give them all the sense of urgency and finality that the audience and creative team have, that the clock is ticking and they can't remain on the island indefinitely. Maybe Jacob/Future Locke will tell Locke that the island is dying? Maybe they'll reveal that the island is kind of like a bubble, unstuck from the regular flow of time and that after the Swan exploded this bubble is now collapsing and there is only a small amount of time (48 episodes worth) before everyone & everything on the island ceases to exist, maybe in a nice volcanic eruption with the island tearing itself apart, sinking beneath the ocean, Fall of The House of Usher style? Perhaps this is what Jacob needs Locke's help with - to prevent this destruction or at least save everyone else from this storm before it hits.
I guess that's the problem with theorizing and trying to tie together multiple plot threads and characters with a show like this.
Knowing everything that has happened in the first 3 seasons, could you even being to explain what the heck in happening on this show to someone without their head hurting? Even hitting the basics is confusing: a plane crashes on what appears to be a tropical island and the survivors, each of whom has secrets and a mysterious past, must contend with kidnapping natives, polar bears, a killer smoke monster that can appear as anyone, and hidden scientific research bunkers left behind by a mysterious group called the Dharma Initiative. Doesn't even begin to touch the really odd things like a marooned slave ship, 4 toed crumbling statues, 108 minute button pressing electromagnetic discharges, a telekinetic invisible leader, time travelers, tattooed sharks and cgi talking parrots.
So now that they've announced an end date to the show, I wouldn't be surprised if they did something similar in the narrative for the characters. That way it would give them all the sense of urgency and finality that the audience and creative team have, that the clock is ticking and they can't remain on the island indefinitely. Maybe Jacob/Future Locke will tell Locke that the island is dying? Maybe they'll reveal that the island is kind of like a bubble, unstuck from the regular flow of time and that after the Swan exploded this bubble is now collapsing and there is only a small amount of time (48 episodes worth) before everyone & everything on the island ceases to exist, maybe in a nice volcanic eruption with the island tearing itself apart, sinking beneath the ocean, Fall of The House of Usher style? Perhaps this is what Jacob needs Locke's help with - to prevent this destruction or at least save everyone else from this storm before it hits.
If the island is a type of Eden, a place of power and perhaps of God himself, then it surely cannot survive encroachment of these interlopers and the taint of the outside world they bring with them. I'm guessing when it wraps up that against all logic and evidence, Penny's love and faith rescues Desmond (who loses his power), Locke sacrifices himself (perhaps by fighting or killing Jacob/himself) so that the rest can live and the arrogant Widmore/Hanso companies are somehow foiled or destroyed.
I keep wondering about those 2 skeletons we saw in the cave back in season one. If there is time traveling afoot, is it possible that man and woman are characters we already know? Maybe Jack and Kate? EDIT: Maybe Desmond and Penelope? He can already travel thru time and embracing together forever as corpses... however morbid kinda fits their romance story.
Also, when are we going to see Rose and Bernard again??? It seemed like they were building Rose into a person of some importance - the island healing her like Locke, then suddenly *poof* they're gone. Though they were hardly my favorites, I want them back, even if it's just to kill them off to tie up that loose plot thread.
I also got to thinking about the flashbacks. We take it for granted that they are simply a narrative device for the purposes of storytelling, but what if there is more to it than that. Not that they are each necessarily traveling back in time ala Desmond, but that their memories are being scanned, observed and perhaps manipulated by yet unseen forces? For what purpose I have no idea. Perhaps more Dharma experiments looking for answers to heal the island or exploit its power?
I keep wondering about those 2 skeletons we saw in the cave back in season one. If there is time traveling afoot, is it possible that man and woman are characters we already know? Maybe Jack and Kate? EDIT: Maybe Desmond and Penelope? He can already travel thru time and embracing together forever as corpses... however morbid kinda fits their romance story.
Also, when are we going to see Rose and Bernard again??? It seemed like they were building Rose into a person of some importance - the island healing her like Locke, then suddenly *poof* they're gone. Though they were hardly my favorites, I want them back, even if it's just to kill them off to tie up that loose plot thread.
I also got to thinking about the flashbacks. We take it for granted that they are simply a narrative device for the purposes of storytelling, but what if there is more to it than that. Not that they are each necessarily traveling back in time ala Desmond, but that their memories are being scanned, observed and perhaps manipulated by yet unseen forces? For what purpose I have no idea. Perhaps more Dharma experiments looking for answers to heal the island or exploit its power?
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I don't have much to add to all this except remembering some ealier lines that I never forgot and even meant to mention here before any mention of Jacob:
Tom: "Our leader is a great man."
Jack: "Ben is not a great man."
Tom: "No, Ben is not."
Tom: "Our leader is a great man."
Jack: "Ben is not a great man."
Tom: "No, Ben is not."
Darth Caedus
Formerly Congerking
Lembas Eater said:
I don't remember that at all. Must be fromt he beginings of the season.....hmm, I like the foreshadowing. I gotta rewatch this season to see all of that. So do the "others" know that jacob is their leader? and just follow ben because they think he was born on the island? is Tom one of the hostiles that are "immortal" or was he brought to the island like juliet was? Does juliet know about jacob? or does she just hate ben? AHHHH, too many questions, too few answers.
As much fun as it might be if one of the skeletons was Jack's and he discovered/searched his own corpse, I'm now leaning towards the remains being those of Amelia Earhart and her co-pilot Frederick Noonan. It just fits better and ties the island into a greater "lost time" mystery.
So what are Ben's motivations? He is a liar and a manipulator, but he isn't stupid. I really don't think he trusts Juliette in any way, or at least trusts that he cannot trust her. Why would he then sent her undercover as his spy unless he knew that she would betray him, reveal the tape recorder and get Jack and the gang to attack The Others when they come to collect Sun and Kate.
As we were informed before, Ben has a way of getting you to do what he wants and make you think it was your idea. Ben wants the 815 peeps to attack - to kill off his rivals and doubters among The Others perhaps, but more likely it's part of Jacob's machinations to get Locke to become the new second in command of The Others. For this to happen Ben must be overthrown. Is he sacrificing himself and his position so that Locke can take the next step in his destiny? Being told that you must become Judas/the betrayer must as difficult as being told that you must become Jesus/the savior.
As we were informed before, Ben has a way of getting you to do what he wants and make you think it was your idea. Ben wants the 815 peeps to attack - to kill off his rivals and doubters among The Others perhaps, but more likely it's part of Jacob's machinations to get Locke to become the new second in command of The Others. For this to happen Ben must be overthrown. Is he sacrificing himself and his position so that Locke can take the next step in his destiny? Being told that you must become Judas/the betrayer must as difficult as being told that you must become Jesus/the savior.
Darth Caedus
Formerly Congerking
Entropy Chicken said:
interesting, I think that ben is going to either get killed in the season finale, or get injured to the point where locke will take over as the leader of the hostiles.
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