Lucas endorses Obama

[Agent0028]

I'm pretty conservative too hoodonit.

 

[hoodonit00]

I'm pretty conservative too hoodonit.

Wheew, thanks. Feeling a little lonely in here.

 

[Entropy]

You all are entititled to you beliefs, as I am to mine.

very true.

Koolaid? I don't think so.

https://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

I haven't laughed that hard in awhile. Thanks for the link.

 

[Agent23]

Lest we forget, it's not just President Obama, it would be President Barack Hussein Obama.

That's appropriate.

 

[Eyelidsz]

With Lucas' level of crap output these days, I'm not surprised to see him endorse the worse U.S. Presidential nominee since Jimmy Carter.

Bingo! The Barack Obama love is peculiar to me. Sure he makes charismatic speeches, but where did all the love come from? The only thing I defend him on is that his name should have no bearing on whether you choose to vote for him. It is pathetic that it's even an issue.

On the other side, I am not thrilled with McCain either. I consider myself a Libertarian, but I am very disillusioned with the Republican party at the moment. This will be another terrible election just like '00 and '04.

 

[Batty]

What time does this thread get locked?

 

[Darklord Dave]

One of the reasons I discourage political talk is that it does tend to polarize. You'll find that a number of action figure collectors are conservative - although this board is probably more balanced than some others.

I agree wholeheartedly that before an opinion can be offered, research should be done to support a position without just regurgitating sound bytes from either party.

And I appreciate that hoodonit00 presented some back-up for his opinions - however it seems a lot of the quotes would have to interpreted in the worst possible light to make them racist in any way.

 

[Agent23]

What time does this thread get locked?

I'm guessing by the next time I check it.

 

[Dusty]

I read alot of what you posted as a pride in his African heritage and I don't see anything wrong with that. I also think that many people who have parents of different races can have a difficult time in finding themselves. It may be that he experienced discrimination from both races and felt that he would be better to align himself with one as opposed to being alienated by both. As a white person I don't think I can ever understand what it is like to be a minority in this country, and I don't think it is fair or right to judge a person's comments without understanding where they are coming from.

As for his comment about Muslims, I don't know what he means by that. But one thing that comes to mind is that he could be saying should the tone in the country move against Islam and its followers to the point that they are being discriminated against that he will stand with them. Should anyone's freedom of religion in this country be threatened I will stand with that religion myself based on the prinicples that this country was based on, which I believe strongly in.

Beautifully put. And yes, those quotes were taken SERIOUSLY out of context. The Audacity of Hope is one of the most eloquent and meaningful books ever written by an aspiring politician - IMO of course. From the first paragraph it rang so true with me, and his earnest and hopeful way of wanting to bring both parties to compromise and understanding is amazing. Whoever called him the 'leftist of the left' and a 'socialist' is missing his entire point. The spin machine and sound byte culture is at it again - hoodonit is just proving my point by his out of context quotes and videos.

Ah, I give up. But I still hold onto hope

Besides, I have a wedding to organize and attend

 

[Anzik]

He wants larger government that can reach into your home.
He thinks we keep our homes too hot and too cool. We eat too much and use too much fuel.
He talks about being a uniter but attends a pro black church. (And I've listened to the entire sermons not just the sound bytes. Wright is a racist and anti American.)
Obama started his political career outside the house of his friend Bill Ayers of the weather underground who thought bombing things was political protest.
He associates himself with people like this and he runs on how good his judgment is.
He has never 'reached across the aisle' rather stayed steadfastly to the left. The most left member of the senate according to the national review (Non partisan organization) based on his voting record.
In an age where China is flexing its muscles, Russia is stirring and the president of Iran wants Israel eradicated, he wants to back off the military.
He wants to talk with Ahmadinejad, and tell him what? What power of persuasion is going to make him change his mind and recognize Israel and convince him America is not the great Satan.
He wants to make Universal health care operate through the government. I just spent 2 1/2 hours in line at the government run inspection station.
He wants to give cash to college students and have them work it off in community service which would require more bureaucracy to make sure they actually do it.
He wants to confiscate profits from companies that he thinks make too much.
He considers rich people to be those making over $75,000/ year.
By his own admission he would repeal the tax cuts that have lead to record government revenue to make it more 'fair' in a country where 40% of the population pays NO income tax. This would LOWER the amount government brings in at the same time he is increasing spending.
He wants eliminate insurance company policies that charge more to people with pre existing conditions. Isn't that the point of insurance? To cover yourself BEFORE you need it?
Most of the time he has been a senator he has spent campaigning for president.

I think McCain has his head up his butt on immigration and global warming.
He is the one that has reached across the aisle and united people, working with Democrats time and again at the cost of alienating a lot of people. How can anyone attack the character and integrity of a man who spent an extra five years in a Vietnamese prison camp when he was offered a release, but wouldn't abandon his men? He and his wife adopted his daughter from Mother Theresa's orphanage in Bangladesh and raised her as their own. He has been at the forefront of cutting pork barrel spending. He was very outspoken against the way the war was run. He wants a health care insurance program that uses free enterprise to lower prices.
Say what you want about the man, but he doesn't "belong" to anyone and he has the experience that the country needs.

 

[Darklord Dave]

What time does this thread get locked?

What time does KitFisto get here?

 

[stshammgod]

I wish I could say I was voting for Obama. I just cannot vote for someone who says he will push for drivers licenses for illegal immigrants.

Great idea. Reward people for breaking the law. Give them all these aid programs that end up costing us, legal citizens, millions of dollars.

Do your homework folks before jumping on the tax & spend bandwagon. Just because you're sick of Bush doesn't mean you should just choose someone solely on their charisma.

And another thing that bothers me. Everyone calls him the first black this, the first black that. The guy is a MULATTO folks. His mom was white.

 

[Agent0028]

...He is the one that has reached across the aisle and united people, working with Democrats time and again at the cost of alienating a lot of people. How can anyone attack the character and integrity of a man who spent an extra five years in a Vietnamese prison camp when he was offered a release, but wouldn't abandon his men? He and his wife adopted his daughter from Mother Theresa's orphanage in Bangladesh and raised her as their own. He has been at the forefront of cutting pork barrel spending. He was very outspoken against the way the war was run. He wants a health care insurance program that uses free enterprise to lower prices.
Say what you want about the man, but he doesn't "belong" to anyone and he has the experience that the country needs.

A very good summary of what I like about John McCain.

 

[Agent23]

Where's Ross Perot when you need him?

 

[captain sack]

I just wanna know what exactly split this country up so divisively in the past few years? It never used to be this bad. I hate politics so much.

this country has always been divided. we just didn't have the internet and 24 hour news channels in the old days to tell us how evil republicans are.

you're probably too young to recall the stories about ronald regan sneaking out of the white house to steal food from the homeless, infecting blacks with AIDS and making them smoke crack.

 

[hoodonit00]

He wants larger government that can reach into your home.
He thinks we keep our homes too hot and too cool. We eat too much and use too much fuel.
He talks about being a uniter but attends a pro black church. (And I've listened to the entire sermons not just the sound bytes. Wright is a racist and anti American.)
Obama started his political career outside the house of his friend Bill Ayers of the weather underground who thought bombing things was political protest.
He associates himself with people like this and he runs on how good his judgment is.
He has never 'reached across the aisle' rather stayed steadfastly to the left. The most left member of the senate according to the national review (Non partisan organization) based on his voting record.
In an age where China is flexing its muscles, Russia is stirring and the president of Iran wants Israel eradicated, he wants to back off the military.
He wants to talk with Ahmadinejad, and tell him what? What power of persuasion is going to make him change his mind and recognize Israel and convince him America is not the great Satan.
He wants to make Universal health care operate through the government. I just spent 2 1/2 hours in line at the government run inspection station.
He wants to give cash to college students and have them work it off in community service which would require more bureaucracy to make sure they actually do it.
He wants to confiscate profits from companies that he thinks make too much.
He considers rich people to be those making over $75,000/ year.
By his own admission he would repeal the tax cuts that have lead to record government revenue to make it more 'fair' in a country where 40% of the population pays NO income tax. This would LOWER the amount government brings in at the same time he is increasing spending.
He wants eliminate insurance company policies that charge more to people with pre existing conditions. Isn't that the point of insurance? To cover yourself BEFORE you need it?
Most of the time he has been a senator he has spent campaigning for president.

I think McCain has his head up his butt on immigration and global warming.
He is the one that has reached across the aisle and united people, working with Democrats time and again at the cost of alienating a lot of people. How can anyone attack the character and integrity of a man who spent an extra five years in a Vietnamese prison camp when he was offered a release, but wouldn't abandon his men? He and his wife adopted his daughter from Mother Theresa's orphanage in Bangladesh and raised her as their own. He has been at the forefront of cutting pork barrel spending. He was very outspoken against the way the war was run. He wants a health care insurance program that uses free enterprise to lower prices.
Say what you want about the man, but he doesn't "belong" to anyone and he has the experience that the country needs.

Thank you so much for taking the time to type out what I could not relay in my sad attempt.

 

[hoodonit00]

What time does KitFisto get here?

Which way will KitFisto go on this issue?

 

[Darklord Dave]

Which way will KitFisto go on this issue?

I'm just being flippant.


This thread has lasted longer than I expected - but name calling (no matter how accurate or innocent) cannot be part of this discussion.'

The question was raised - does having a celebrity endorsement actually do any good for a candidate? Perhaps we can steer the converation in that direction.

 

[monkeydad16]

this country has always been divided. we just didn't have the internet and 24 hour news channels in the old days to tell us how evil republicans are.

you're probably too young to recall the stories about ronald regan sneaking out of the white house to steal food from the homeless, infecting blacks with AIDS and making them smoke crack.

I did not know Jeremiah Wright was a fellow Freak! Welcome aboard Reverend!

 

[hoodonit00]

I did not know Jeremiah Wright was a fellow Freak! Welcome aboard Reverend!