DA - I thank you for and respect your service to our country. So with all due respect, can you outline for me this war for oil thing? I have yet to hear a plausible or coherent explanation for it.
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DA - I thank you for and respect your service to our country. So with all due respect, can you outline for me this war for oil thing? I have yet to hear a plausible or coherent explanation for it.
DarkArtist81
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We didn't have the majority vote to invade though... They wanted more concrete proof than what we had, and no one could give them that.
I hate my generation. What a bunch of pretentious pansies we are.
Darth Caedus
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You know what's funny about saying the Iraq war is for oil, we only get 12% of our oil from the middle east. Most of it is from Canada, Mexico, and South America; so how is the war about oil?
And I want to know why I am paying 4 bucks a gallon if we have all this oil
Because we don't.
That's the thing: We've been there for 4 years and haven't taken any of their oil.
"Blood for Oil" is just a silly mantra. I never supported the war in Iraq, either. I think we should have focused on Afghanistan and completely crushing Al Qeda. But it's clear that Bush & Co. had a personal vendetta against Saddam, and that's pretty much the reason why we're still in this mess. Well, that and Rumsfeld's ridiculous plan that did not account for any contingencies after we took control.
But hey, if the wacky lefties wanna blame people who drive SUVs I guess that's more fun. If you ask me, that's just as crazy as the righties who think Iraq was involved in 9/11. ALL of you political extremists are scary as hell.
You do realize he violated the cease fire agreements by not allowing weapons inspectors full access to all facilities and by firing on coalition aircraft, which gave the coalition the right to use force to remove him don't you? You do realize he thumbed his nose at the cease fire agreement through 8 years of Clinton and the start of Bush' presidency.
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DarkArtist81
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Irish has a great point... It was a personal vendetta against Saddam. I don't assume that we now have a whole mess of oil now that we invaded Iraq. But what I am saying is that our foothold in the Middle East allows us to expand into other countries and control more of the natural resources.. oil in particular. I'm seeing further down the line, if we follow this path.
We're just being far too aggressive with our foreign policy, and that is what bothers me the most. We are pushing too hard and it's taxing America in lives and money.
We're just being far too aggressive with our foreign policy, and that is what bothers me the most. We are pushing too hard and it's taxing America in lives and money.
DarkArtist81
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I do... But I do not think that doing so entitles us to go in and take him out ourselves. Maybe as a U.N. Task force, a united front of several nations. But not America alone.
Now your changing your story. You said it was about the oil. I guess you also buy into the theory that we were the only nation that believed he had WMD's. Take the time and read it.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Heres some more.
READ IT FOR YOURSELF FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS BELIEVED SADDAM HAD WMD
The Silberman - Robb Commission Found “[T]he Intelligence Services Of Many Other Nations Also Thought That Iraq Had Weapons Of Mass Destruction …” (“Report To The President,” Commission On The Intelligence Capabilities Of The United States Regarding Weapons Of Mass Destruction, 3/31/05)
France:
French Foreign Minister Galouzeau De Villepin: “Right now, our attention has to be focused as a priority on the biological and chemical domains. It is there that our presumptions about Iraq are the most significant.” (United Nations Security Council, 4701st Meeting, New York, 2/5/03)
• Villepin: “Regarding the chemical domain, we have evidence of its capacity to produce VX and yperite.” (United Nations Security Council, 4701st Meeting, New York, 2/5/03)
• Villepin: “In the biological domain, the evidence suggests the possible possession of significant stocks of anthrax and botulism toxin, and possibly a production capability.” (United Nations Security Council, 4701st Meeting, New York, 2/5/03)
French Intelligence Supports Parts Of Secretary Powell’s Address To The UN Security Council. “Powell presented the Security Council with satellite images, intercepted phone conversations and other evidence which he said supported Washington’s claim that Baghdad was hiding mass destruction weapons. French Defense Ministry spokesman Jean-Francois Bureau said Thursday that French intelligence backed up parts of Powell’s presentation. ‘There are a certain number of questions evoked by Mr. Powell that we had information on.’” (Christine Ollivier, “Chirac Says U.S. Evidence On Iraq Does Not Change French Position,” The Associated Press, 2/6/03)
Germany:
In February 2003, The German Ambassador To The U.S. Said Iraq Had Weapons Of Mass Destruction. Ambassador Wolfgang Ishinger: “I think all of our governments believe that Iraq has produced weapons of mass destruction and that we have to assume that they still have - that they continue to have weapons of mass destruction.” (NBC’s “Today,” 2/26/03)
German Intelligence Services Predicted That Iraq Would Have Nuclear Bomb Capabilities Within Three Years. “A report prepared by the German intelligence services in December 2000, based on defectors’ reports, satellite imagery, and aerial surveillance, predicted that Iraq will have three nuclear bombs by 2005. But that may be too optimistic. Before the Gulf War no one had a clue how far advanced Saddam’s nuclear weapons program was.” (Robert Kagan And William Kristol, “What To Do About Iraq,” The Weekly Standard, 1/21/02)
Russia:
Russian Intelligence Reports That Iraq Was Planning Terrorist Attacks Against The United States. “President Vladimir V. Putin said … that Russia gave intelligence reports to the Bush administration suggesting that Saddam Hussein’s government was preparing terrorist attacks in the United States or against American targets overseas. … Mr. Putin said Russia’s intelligence services received and passed along the information after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and before the American-led invasion of Iraq began in March 2003. He did not give details of the nature of the intelligence or the type of attacks reportedly being prepared. … Mr. Putin said Russian ‘special services’ had received information about plans for terrorist attacks ‘more than once.’” (Steven Lee Myers, “Putin Says U.S. Was Alerted To Possible Attacks By Iraq,” The New York Times, 6/19/04)
Great Britain:
Great Britain’s Prime Minister Tony Blair: “[W]hat we know from what has been going on there for a long period of time is not just the chemical, biological weapons capability, but we know that they were trying to develop nuclear weapons capability.” (Prime Minister Tony Blair, President Bush, Prime Minister Blair Discuss Keeping The Peace, Camp David, MD, 9/7/02)
• Blair: “ was just reading coming over here the catalog of attempts by Iraq to conceal its weapons of mass destruction, not to tell the truth about it over -- not just over a period of months, but over a period of years. Now, that’s why the issue is important.” (Prime Minister Tony Blair, President Bush, Prime Minister Blair Discuss Keeping The Peace, Camp David, MD, 9/7/02)
• Blair: “There isn’t any doubt that Iraq has had weapons of mass destruction … That is not in dispute, not by anybody.” (Jane Wardell, “Blair: No Doubt Saddam Had Banned Weapons,” The Associated Press, 4/28/03)
Italy:
Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi: “I believe that the moment has arrived to find out where all the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein said he had, where they ended up.” (Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, President Bush Meets With Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi, Washington, DC, 1/30/03)
• Berlusconi: “[Iraq has] to avail themselves of the biological, chemical weapons that we know were available as Saddam Hussein. Therefore, on the basis of the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441, Saddam Hussein has to reveal and account for the weapons that we know he has. So the decision on face rests in his hands.” (Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, President Bush Meets With Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi, Washington, DC, 1/30/03)
Australia:
Australia’s Prime Minister John Howard: “Australia’s position concerning Iraq is very clear. We believe a world in which weapons of mass destruction are in the hands of rogue states, with the potential threat of them falling into the hands of terrorists, is not a world that Australia -- if we can possibly avoid it -- wants to be part of.” (Prime Minister John Howard, President Bush Meets With Prime Minister Howard Of Australia, 2/10/03)
• Howard: “And that is the fundamental reason why Australia has taken the position she has. And it’s the fundamental reason why we believe the goals that the United States set of disarming Iraq are proper goals and they are goals that the entire world should pursue.” (The White House, President Bush Meets With Prime Minister Howard Of Australia, 2/10/03)
READ IT FOR YOURSELF FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS BELIEVED SADDAM HAD WMD
The Silberman - Robb Commission Found “[T]he Intelligence Services Of Many Other Nations Also Thought That Iraq Had Weapons Of Mass Destruction …” (“Report To The President,” Commission On The Intelligence Capabilities Of The United States Regarding Weapons Of Mass Destruction, 3/31/05)
France:
French Foreign Minister Galouzeau De Villepin: “Right now, our attention has to be focused as a priority on the biological and chemical domains. It is there that our presumptions about Iraq are the most significant.” (United Nations Security Council, 4701st Meeting, New York, 2/5/03)
• Villepin: “Regarding the chemical domain, we have evidence of its capacity to produce VX and yperite.” (United Nations Security Council, 4701st Meeting, New York, 2/5/03)
• Villepin: “In the biological domain, the evidence suggests the possible possession of significant stocks of anthrax and botulism toxin, and possibly a production capability.” (United Nations Security Council, 4701st Meeting, New York, 2/5/03)
French Intelligence Supports Parts Of Secretary Powell’s Address To The UN Security Council. “Powell presented the Security Council with satellite images, intercepted phone conversations and other evidence which he said supported Washington’s claim that Baghdad was hiding mass destruction weapons. French Defense Ministry spokesman Jean-Francois Bureau said Thursday that French intelligence backed up parts of Powell’s presentation. ‘There are a certain number of questions evoked by Mr. Powell that we had information on.’” (Christine Ollivier, “Chirac Says U.S. Evidence On Iraq Does Not Change French Position,” The Associated Press, 2/6/03)
Germany:
In February 2003, The German Ambassador To The U.S. Said Iraq Had Weapons Of Mass Destruction. Ambassador Wolfgang Ishinger: “I think all of our governments believe that Iraq has produced weapons of mass destruction and that we have to assume that they still have - that they continue to have weapons of mass destruction.” (NBC’s “Today,” 2/26/03)
German Intelligence Services Predicted That Iraq Would Have Nuclear Bomb Capabilities Within Three Years. “A report prepared by the German intelligence services in December 2000, based on defectors’ reports, satellite imagery, and aerial surveillance, predicted that Iraq will have three nuclear bombs by 2005. But that may be too optimistic. Before the Gulf War no one had a clue how far advanced Saddam’s nuclear weapons program was.” (Robert Kagan And William Kristol, “What To Do About Iraq,” The Weekly Standard, 1/21/02)
Russia:
Russian Intelligence Reports That Iraq Was Planning Terrorist Attacks Against The United States. “President Vladimir V. Putin said … that Russia gave intelligence reports to the Bush administration suggesting that Saddam Hussein’s government was preparing terrorist attacks in the United States or against American targets overseas. … Mr. Putin said Russia’s intelligence services received and passed along the information after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and before the American-led invasion of Iraq began in March 2003. He did not give details of the nature of the intelligence or the type of attacks reportedly being prepared. … Mr. Putin said Russian ‘special services’ had received information about plans for terrorist attacks ‘more than once.’” (Steven Lee Myers, “Putin Says U.S. Was Alerted To Possible Attacks By Iraq,” The New York Times, 6/19/04)
Great Britain:
Great Britain’s Prime Minister Tony Blair: “[W]hat we know from what has been going on there for a long period of time is not just the chemical, biological weapons capability, but we know that they were trying to develop nuclear weapons capability.” (Prime Minister Tony Blair, President Bush, Prime Minister Blair Discuss Keeping The Peace, Camp David, MD, 9/7/02)
• Blair: “ was just reading coming over here the catalog of attempts by Iraq to conceal its weapons of mass destruction, not to tell the truth about it over -- not just over a period of months, but over a period of years. Now, that’s why the issue is important.” (Prime Minister Tony Blair, President Bush, Prime Minister Blair Discuss Keeping The Peace, Camp David, MD, 9/7/02)
• Blair: “There isn’t any doubt that Iraq has had weapons of mass destruction … That is not in dispute, not by anybody.” (Jane Wardell, “Blair: No Doubt Saddam Had Banned Weapons,” The Associated Press, 4/28/03)
Italy:
Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi: “I believe that the moment has arrived to find out where all the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein said he had, where they ended up.” (Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, President Bush Meets With Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi, Washington, DC, 1/30/03)
• Berlusconi: “[Iraq has] to avail themselves of the biological, chemical weapons that we know were available as Saddam Hussein. Therefore, on the basis of the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441, Saddam Hussein has to reveal and account for the weapons that we know he has. So the decision on face rests in his hands.” (Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, President Bush Meets With Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi, Washington, DC, 1/30/03)
Australia:
Australia’s Prime Minister John Howard: “Australia’s position concerning Iraq is very clear. We believe a world in which weapons of mass destruction are in the hands of rogue states, with the potential threat of them falling into the hands of terrorists, is not a world that Australia -- if we can possibly avoid it -- wants to be part of.” (Prime Minister John Howard, President Bush Meets With Prime Minister Howard Of Australia, 2/10/03)
• Howard: “And that is the fundamental reason why Australia has taken the position she has. And it’s the fundamental reason why we believe the goals that the United States set of disarming Iraq are proper goals and they are goals that the entire world should pursue.” (The White House, President Bush Meets With Prime Minister Howard Of Australia, 2/10/03)
Uh, we did have quite a few nations side with us in removing him. What unit did you serve with anyway?
Fubeca
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Well I am not surprised. Lucas' level of $ pillaging for every single Star Wars releated item even mentioned is no different then Barrack Hussein Obama's Tax Plan! 
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Let's get our friends from Brazil to talk about their politicians...We in America will have a wake up call!!!!!!!!
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