I was just confused whether he meant the old Sideshow figure or something else. Other than the pants, boots and pistol, there's not lot going for that fig.
1/6 Luke Skywalker: Red Five X-Wing Pilot Sixth Scale Figure
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I was just confused whether he meant the old Sideshow figure or something else. Other than the pants, boots and pistol, there's not lot going for that fig.
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You're right, there's not. But for me it's my favorite version of Luke as it somehow evokes untold adventures that might have taken place between ANH and ESB in my imagination. But the SS jacket is terrible, but not a lot of options out there unless you want to go with a Hasbro one. I'll want to upgrade the boots to more "leather like" ones similar to HT Han. And I have actually wondered if the SS Bespin Han pants and shirt (after dyed black) would be better. Maybe HT will do a Bespin Han who's pants and shirt would work. Yavin Luke's shirt is just a black version of Bespin Han's and the pants are the same.
Anyway, it would be awesome if HT did a version of this, but I don't think it would be very high on their priority list so I'll just try to put the best version together of a Yavin/Cerimonial Luke I can.
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Funny, I have both Hans and Luke and my luke is easily the darkest of the three. This problem does not appear improved. For the price I paid, I am happy with hoth figs though.
I may revisit this guy if he ever hits $175 shipped. The suit is nice and I'm happy to see the control panel on his wrist got better treatment than the hoth rank badges. Chest box is OK but lacks detail. Still hate the paint work, hair, and the helmet.
Thank you for the pictures Dr Nash!
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I think it looks good. I really like it a lot.
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I wish pop toys would make a yavin outfit for Luke. I'd be all over that.
Hollywood
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I feel that this Luke offering is not bad (with the helmet on), but still far over priced for what it is. At best this is a $180 figure.
The quality is still not up to industry standard, and there are virtually no other offerings within the package.
Happy for anyone that bought this release for sure, just a pass for me.
The quality is still not up to industry standard, and there are virtually no other offerings within the package.
Happy for anyone that bought this release for sure, just a pass for me.
afattori
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There is no way I am paying over 200.00 for this. This screams buyers remorse at current retail price. 150.00 figure for sure.
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I also value the figure near where you guys would, and perhaps many others do too. But I think we should confess how subjective this all is. I think there are many people outside of this hobby who think $300 is too much to pay for any "action figure". If we are in this hobby, to one degree or another on some level we all are over paying for a bunch of toys that sit on our shelves. Again, Red Five Luke feels like $150 figure to me AT BEST. If enough of us feel that way to the point that we actually don't buy it than perhaps (depending on production costs and other factors too) the price for a figure of this quality will come down. BUT, we are also in a hobby where people pay big bucks that other people may not spend for things they like. Someone liking this X-Wing Luke and paying what they are asking for it because they really like it is not very different than any other figure bought for a lot of money; especially if people have the money to spend.
Hollywood
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I agree. I have always been a proponent of collectors to stop buying what is agreed sub standard product at inflated pricing. Buying the product while complaining is an acceptance of the item. SS is a business and like all business they really on product purchases. Stop buying and see what happens.
Sadly there are far too many collectors who have a strange addiction to buy "everything" if they can afford it, as opposed to using discretion on their purchases.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder true.......................................however in this case, and most others SS related the vast majority have spoken. Now its time to all of us who feel that SS products don't measure up......put your money where their mouth is, wait for a better product before you buy.
SithThundercracker
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I suppose the price statement are based on what you could buy last year for 150$ (SSC Hoth Luke if it was barebones like this Luke and not triple-sculpt loaded with stuff) and what you can buy right now for the same price (HT Luke with all the Tatooine paraphernalia). This not even counting the overall quality of the product.
Hollywood
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My statements are more based on the overall product, with a strong emphasis on quality.
Traditionally SS figures have averaged around the $190 mark over the last few years. Those offerings usually included far more accessories than this figure, but usually maintained the same quality of sculpt/ paint etc.
Todays 1/6 market dictates a far superior quality on sculpt/ paint. Many lesser companies are doing HT quality products at a far lesser cost than HT, and now this recent offering from SS starts the SS trend.
I will admit that there are a number of these companies are not paying for appropriate licenses, however as a buyer that is not a reason for SS to not step up. There are smaller companies with licenses still producing a better product than SS at a more realistic cost basis.
If you want to charge more to the customer due to your cost increases as a company, then you need to up the level of product to justify the cost relationship. Otherwise you are simply staying stagnant, while inflating the customer cost without a reasonable variance.
HT....you get what you pay for. (High end sculpt/ paint/ clothing/ accessories) For the most part
SS....you used to get what you paid for (lower end sculpt/ paint, but nice clothing/ accessories).
Now SS is pricing themselves at HT levels, without the HT quality product.
Perceived licenses cost and manufacturing aside/there are no excuses. HT has the same license, and has factories in the same district of Hong Kong, as do many other companies in the 1/6 game.
Since the vast majority of these other companies are able to produce a quality product with little R&D behind them, then so can SS.
devilof76
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It's long been clear that HT manufacturing costs are much lower than Sideshow's. If Disney expects a certain return from each unit sold, then for Sideshow to continue producing Star Wars figures, they price/offering ratio is going to look like X-Wing Luke/Darth Maul 2.0. That's not an excuse, it's just a fact.
Yeah the Chinese care so much about their own people they pay them less than the evil Westerners who take advantage of their cheap labor
Hollywood
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Agreed it is a fact, and there are no arguments. PLease re-read the portion of my thread :
"Perceived licenses cost and manufacturing aside/there are no excuses. HT has the same license, and has factories in the same district of Hong Kong, as do many other companies in the 1/6 game."
SS needs to re-asses their current modeling structure on these 1/6 products and up their game if they intend to reap the rewards of Disney license. If people don't buy, then there is no license to have. Simple as that.
All costs go up for all companies no argument, however SS should WANT to compete well to mine the license. To my eyes this release illustrates the lack of motivation SS has to complete, and the disregard it has for its consumer base. The old days of "we are the only ones putting this out, so people will buy" are over. Its a new world....like JFK said "Sink or swim".
Understand I am not pooping all over SS. I purchased their Bikerscout figure and was pleased with that release, as does their upcoming TIE Pilot looks promising. This release is the breaker for me when it comes to my over all outlook of SS and its future relationship myself.
I am sure the recent closing of this thread was accounted for by the loss of pre-orders and mass cancellations on this figure.
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Luke looks no worse than Han and Ben here. Looks more like Hamill than they do Ford and Guinness.
If the eyes on this Pilot Luke were better painted and made more livelier and the helmet had a nice worn look to it instead of looking like grey styrofoam, it'd be a little easier to swallow.
Hollywood
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I disagree. That photo is using very harsh light which makes both figures distorted.
The issue is not with over exposed flash photography, the issue is with the true product in hand, and under "normal/ natural" conditions. SS human characters always look toyish, and far from their prototypes. Hence one of the largest contentions of this release.
Solo & Obi Wan are light years ahead of this release in all manners of the product. Are they "perfect"....never because everyone sees something a bit different, but one thing that cant be argued is the realism that HT, and many other companies have, that SS have yet to come close too.
SS needs to completely re-work this figure in order for it to be easier to swallow. Its pretty bad.
We all have opinions, and again I am happy for anyone who loves this release. I am one of the many that don't.
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Hence why I said there.
Regardless, I don't like how HT Han or HT Ben look, even in beautified photos. Han in particular is a joke to me. Besides not a single soul has photographed this pilot Luke figure professionally, not like the usual suspects for the Hot Toys releases. I'm sure they could make this look good in the right lighting. Not that we'll ever know.
I'll never know what it's like in person (nor that Han and Ben) because I'm not buying them. It's just that, by that pic alone, he looks like he fits in despite not having the same value with his price tag.
Regardless, I don't like how HT Han or HT Ben look, even in beautified photos. Han in particular is a joke to me. Besides not a single soul has photographed this pilot Luke figure professionally, not like the usual suspects for the Hot Toys releases. I'm sure they could make this look good in the right lighting. Not that we'll ever know.
I'll never know what it's like in person (nor that Han and Ben) because I'm not buying them. It's just that, by that pic alone, he looks like he fits in despite not having the same value with his price tag.
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lol@$300 head sculpts
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