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Am I the only person who enjoyed Superman Returns?

I mean it's no Superman I or II, but it beats III and IV right?

I enjoyed Returns, mostly because I liked Routh and I was excited to see a Supes movie, but it was certainly not a great Superman film.

I hated the originals, even as a kid, so mimicking those was an inevitable failure in my book. Returns is the best attempt, but I don't think that any of them have gotten even close to doing the character justice.
 
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Am I the only person who enjoyed Superman Returns?

Nope. I liked it too. The cast was great (but I didn't care for the new Lois) and the story was enjoyable. I understand why some people didn't like it, but I still like it.
 
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I have to admit I would love a complete reboot of Superman, I was not a fan of "Returns" at all. I'm inclined to applaud studios for having the balls to do this lately, like the situation with HULK. Used to be, if we got a disappointing film adaptation, we had to live with it... At least for a decade or two before it was remade. Nowadays it seems like studios are willing to buck up and not willing to settle for crap when they can do it "right" a 2nd time. I like that... I think.


I had complete faith in Singer after his great track record before "Returns", but I think he completely dropped the ball with Supes in every way.

At this point, I'm with Dave.... I would love to see a Smallville-to-Metropolis movie. I've gotten pretty sucked up in Smallville and really want to see Welling take the role. He's not a phenomenal actor but he's a WAY better Clark than Routh. The only thing that kinda pisses me off is the fact that they brought Lois to Smallville, I don't know how they are going to deal with that big fat issue (I'm only halfway into Season 4 right now, so don't spoil it for me if there's a resolution coming that I don't know about yet!).
 
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Am I the only person who enjoyed Superman Returns?

I mean it's no Superman I or II, but it beats III and IV right?

No.
I enjoyed it.

You're right it was no superman 1&2 but more of a set up/return and then setting up a big action one is the way i saw it.

And for the record i can't stand smallville and Routh IS Superman :)

I hated the originals, even as a kid, so mimicking those was an inevitable failure in my book. Returns is the best attempt, but I don't think that any of them have gotten even close to doing the character justice.

Superman the Movie is the best Superhero movie of all time IMO.
 
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Superman the Movie is the best Superhero movie of all time IMO.

And you're certainly not alone. I'm most likely in the minority on this, but I never liked those films---from the Lois Lane who looked like she smoked four packs of Pall Malls a day, to chubby McChubberton Brando wearing a silk nightie as Jor-El.

There's a million other reasons but I'll spare myself any more scrutiny.
 
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And you're certainly not alone. I'm most likely in the minority on this, but I never liked those films---from the Lois Lane who looked like she smoked four packs of Pall Malls a day, to chubby McChubberton Brando wearing a silk nightie as Jor-El.

There's a million other reasons but I'll spare myself any more scrutiny.


I tend to agree with you, to be honest.

Don't get me wrong... I love Superman: The Movie, quite a LOT actually... But most of that affection is simply due to nostalgia. I was a small child when I first saw it, so of course I was enamoured. But upon revisiting it as an adult I think it does not hold up well and is pretty highly overrated.

That said, I still think Chris Reeve was the pinnacle of all Superman casting. He IS Superman, there was never and will never be a more perfect fit for that role in my opinion.
 
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I did enjoy Superman returns, but I can't put myself to watch it more than twice. Though they could have picked a better plot than re-use the same one from part 1.
But I think the Best Superman movie is part 2. But not the Theatrical Version, I mean the Richard Donner version. Now that version was way better than the one that came out in the theatres, it was more of a serious tone and they bring back Marlon Brando!!! Man, that scene when Clark is asking his father for his powers back was just amazing and gave me chills. But that might be just me.
 
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I thought Superman Returns was okay. I had always hated that Singer decided to build on the Donner legacy rather than reboot, but I liked Routh.

Part of the Donner legacy that I hate is how Clark is treated, and I do prefer the Clark of Smallville over the Donner/Singer Clark. I have a huge nostalgia for Superman: The Movie, but watching recently it doesn't really hold up. I do agree that Reeve is perfect and Routh carries that legacy fairly well - he even sounds and moves like Reeve.

But I think we need a reboot, not necessarily an origin story, but a reinterpretation of the character, especially the Clark version of the character and his relationship with Lois.
 
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Superman the movie not only still holds up for me, but i still get chills at certain parts of the movie. (not many movies can do that today for me, although John Williams might have something to do with that)

I for one hope we don't get a reboot i thought SR was OK. But i think an action packed part 2 would bring things to level.
 
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Don't get me wrong... I love Superman: The Movie, quite a LOT actually... But most of that affection is simply due to nostalgia. I was a small child when I first saw it, so of course I was enamoured. But upon revisiting it as an adult I think it does not hold up well and is pretty highly overrated.

I loved and still love the Donner films. I especially love Superman II: The Richard Donner cut. However, there is one thing that really bugs me about the original and the Donner cut of 2: time travel. :banghead Not just time travel, but spin the Earth in reverse to go back in time? WTF?!? :duh
 
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Superman the movie not only still holds up for me, but i still get chills at certain parts of the movie. (not many movies can do that today for me, although John Williams might have something to do with that)

I for one hope we don't get a reboot i thought SR was OK. But i think an action packed part 2 would bring things to level.

I completely agree.
 
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I loved and still love the Donner films. I especially love Superman II: The Richard Donner cut. However, there is one thing that really bugs me about the original and the Donner cut of 2: time travel. :banghead Not just time travel, but spin the Earth in reverse to go back in time? WTF?!? :duh

:lol That always cracked me up. Can you even begin to realize what kind of environmental catastrophe that would cause? And even in the 70's that had to have crossed someone's mind when they made that damn film.

I for one hope we don't get a reboot i thought SR was OK. But i think an action packed part 2 would bring things to level.

My biggest qualm with a sequel to SR is: What would you do with the kid? And do you really like the fact that Supes is a deadbeat dad?
 
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I think it would be an interesting left-field twist, if it turns out the real Richard was killed years ago, and Brainiac took his place to get close to Lois, because of her relationship with Superman. The kid might have been an impregnated clone, that after a certain age, may eventually begin to age at a rapid rate, and will turn into a "Bizarro" creature, who heroically dies trying to save his "father" from Brainiac.

It would be a stretch, but if done right, it might work.
 
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Superman Returns was a joke. Lois was why too young. And Lex is back. Out of jail because Superman didn't show up as a witness at court. :lol Then Lex's plan to destroy the world and live on a rock, :rotfl. And the kid is Supermans son, sick all the time. So stupid. Like the article here said, where do you go now, The kid is now part of the Franchise. I just hope one day I run into Singer, would love to tell him in person he's a moron.
 
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Warner Bros. Confirms Superman Reboot
Source: Steelsheen
August 22, 2008



Just a few days after this article was posted, Warner Bros. Pictures Group President Jeff Robinov has told The Wall Street Journal that the studio is going to be reintroducing Superman. We assume this will be similar to how Louis Leterrier's The Incredible Hulk was a reboot of Ang Lee's Hulk. Here is what the article says:

Warner Bros. also put on hold plans for another movie starring multiple superheroes -- known as "Batman vs. Superman" -- after the $215 million "Superman Returns," which had disappointing box-office returns, didn't please executives. "'Superman' didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to," says Mr. Robinov. "It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned." "Had 'Superman' worked in 2006, we would have had a movie for Christmas of this year or 2009," he adds. "But now the plan is just to reintroduce Superman without regard to a Batman and Superman movie at all."

The article also talks about Warner Bros. adapting other DC properties over the new few years. "By 2011, Mr. Robinov plans for DC Comics to supply the material for up to two of the six to eight tent-pole films he hopes Warner Bros. will have in the pipeline by then," it says. Those projects will likely be about single characters at first, and will be darker much like The Dark Knight:

With "Batman vs. Superman" and "Justice League" stalled, Warner Bros. has quietly adopted Marvel's model of releasing a single film for each character, and then using those movies and their sequels to build up to a multicharacter film. "Along those lines, we have been developing every DC character that we own," Mr. Robinov says.

Like the recent Batman sequel -- which has become the highest-grossing film of the year thus far -- Mr. Robinov wants his next pack of superhero movies to be bathed in the same brooding tone as "The Dark Knight." Creatively, he sees exploring the evil side to characters as the key to unlocking some of Warner Bros.' DC properties. "We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it," he says. That goes for the company's Superman franchise as well.

The studio is set to announce its plans for future DC movies in the next month. For now, though, it is focused on releasing four comic-book films in the next three years, including a third Batman film, a new film reintroducing Superman, and two movies focusing on other DC Comics characters. Movies featuring Green Lantern, Flash, Green Arrow, and Wonder Woman are all in active development.

We'll let you know as soon as the studio
has announced its plans for future DC movies.
 
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Damnit!!!!

They better keep Routh that's all i know.(and the JW theme)

And i think it's kinda stupid just cause he thinks TDK Joker was so "dark" Now all the DC villains gotta be this uber cool bad guy. Oh well, if it works i guess.

whateva (i still have superman 1&2 forever and they can't take it away :))
 
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Good news and bad news. Good news - they're rebooting. But taking Superman dark is just dumb. Iron Man wasn't dark and did pretty well at the box office.
 
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Well, they said that they'd take them as Dark as the Character allows. Superman's depth is not too bad in that range so it might just be focusing on the villain more than the hero. Just like in Green Lantern, Hal Jordan isn't dark but you can really make Sinestro far darker and more villainous than even Ledger's Joker.... Also, many of the WB reps were quoted as saying Batman was so much darker than before, they loved how dark Nolan made him only to have themselves corrected as being "real". Dark may not mean what they are indicating.

This is definitely on the priority list for DC/WB so look for some information to come out sooner than later. Will they use Lex as the villain again? Will they finally show Krypton as we've seen it in modern comics?
 
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