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Superman needs to stay close to the comics. As much as I like the Donner movies and the SR, a Superman that is close to the comics will be a big hit with the audience. I also agree that they ought to re-start the franchise. SR was good but the whole plot line involving his son kind of ruins any future sequels. A more powerful villain such as Brainiac, Mongul or Darkseid is a must for the next movie.
Superman needs to stay close to the comics. As much as I like the Donner movies and the SR, a Superman that is close to the comics will be a big hit with the audience. I also agree that they ought to re-start the franchise. SR was good but the whole plot line involving his son kind of ruins any future sequels. A more powerful villain such as Brainiac, Mongul or Darkseid is a must for the next movie.
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I'm not sure why everyone's quaking in their boots about a "dark Superman movie".
They're probably insinuating that they're going to give it a mature take, which is excellent, if you've ever read or seen notes on Kevin Smiths campy Superman script.
There is some "darkness" in the Superman mythos. He's the last of his kind. His parents blew up. He can hear millions crying for help all over the world. He takes it upon himself to be mankind's "savior" etc, etc, etc.
And in the comics (back when I was reading anyway) wasn't there an occasional reference to an airplane crash that Supes couldn't prevent, which haunted him for years after?
So really, the "darkness" has always been there....except Donner was busy making him spin the earth backwards.
I'm not sure why everyone's quaking in their boots about a "dark Superman movie".
They're probably insinuating that they're going to give it a mature take, which is excellent, if you've ever read or seen notes on Kevin Smiths campy Superman script.
There is some "darkness" in the Superman mythos. He's the last of his kind. His parents blew up. He can hear millions crying for help all over the world. He takes it upon himself to be mankind's "savior" etc, etc, etc.
And in the comics (back when I was reading anyway) wasn't there an occasional reference to an airplane crash that Supes couldn't prevent, which haunted him for years after?
So really, the "darkness" has always been there....except Donner was busy making him spin the earth backwards.
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Hopefully keeping close to the comics is not the directive they give the filmmaking team. Which comics? Superman has been reinvented at least 5 times in the past 30 years. Man of Steel was the best and brightest, and if they go that direction I'd be happy. But there's also Birthright and a few other "re-vamps" of the mythos, including the abysmal All-Star.
Batman Begins and TDK are good because they aren't slavish interpretations of the comics. I've never seen a version of Joker where his skin wasn't always chalk white and his hair green. It's never been just makeup. There are many other diversions from the comics that make the movie better than it would have been if it had lifted a story directly from the books.
Hopefully keeping close to the comics is not the directive they give the filmmaking team. Which comics? Superman has been reinvented at least 5 times in the past 30 years. Man of Steel was the best and brightest, and if they go that direction I'd be happy. But there's also Birthright and a few other "re-vamps" of the mythos, including the abysmal All-Star.
Batman Begins and TDK are good because they aren't slavish interpretations of the comics. I've never seen a version of Joker where his skin wasn't always chalk white and his hair green. It's never been just makeup. There are many other diversions from the comics that make the movie better than it would have been if it had lifted a story directly from the books.
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The two "origin" stories that I've read around is for them to use "Birthright" because is the closest tied to the Smallville origins or "All-Star". Whether or not that will benefit the film overall or not has yet to be seen.
The two "origin" stories that I've read around is for them to use "Birthright" because is the closest tied to the Smallville origins or "All-Star". Whether or not that will benefit the film overall or not has yet to be seen.
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They did a Superman Prime story that was equally as dark as the Super boy stuff. He even had the S carved in his chest.
They did a Superman Prime story that was equally as dark as the Super boy stuff. He even had the S carved in his chest.
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Please don't ever bring up Kevin Smith and Superman again thx!
( Long story but i kinda despise the man, and don't look up to him as king of the nerds like some do)
/short rant over
Please don't ever bring up Kevin Smith and Superman again thx!
( Long story but i kinda despise the man, and don't look up to him as king of the nerds like some do)
/short rant over
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Kevin Smith rocks.
Oh and in the next movie, Superman should punch little kids when he's mad.
Kevin Smith rocks.
Oh and in the next movie, Superman should punch little kids when he's mad.
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I love his LOTR joke. Hilarious.
I love his LOTR joke. Hilarious.
RJMacReady16
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Before this turns into a Kevin Smith: Pros & Cons thread, IGN has posted their demands for "fixing Superman":
https://comics.ign.com/articles/902/902292p1.html
Before this turns into a Kevin Smith: Pros & Cons thread, IGN has posted their demands for "fixing Superman":
https://comics.ign.com/articles/902/902292p1.html
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I strongly disagree with "A More Believable, Complex Lex Luthor"
Please keep Lex way in the background, or better yet, out of the film entirely. The good thing about having Luthor is that he's just some human guy, so the story has to be at least mildly complex for him to be a villain, the bad thing is: it's been done to death.
I'd like to see a movie where there really isn't a big bad villain, per se. How 'bout Supes becomes a political pawn like in The Dark Knight Returns? But instead of him just settling and living with it, have Supes work it out and becomes his own man. Maybe he gets thrown into "the war on terror" and has to deal with the moral consequences. Or what if instead of being a pawn, he becomes a liability? Russia invades Georgia, before any ally country has it's say, Supes charges in saving the day for the time being, but creating a political catastrophe?
I know a lot of people probably wouldn't appreciate a political superhero story, but imo, it would be the most interesting for Superman.
I strongly disagree with "A More Believable, Complex Lex Luthor"
Please keep Lex way in the background, or better yet, out of the film entirely. The good thing about having Luthor is that he's just some human guy, so the story has to be at least mildly complex for him to be a villain, the bad thing is: it's been done to death.
I'd like to see a movie where there really isn't a big bad villain, per se. How 'bout Supes becomes a political pawn like in The Dark Knight Returns? But instead of him just settling and living with it, have Supes work it out and becomes his own man. Maybe he gets thrown into "the war on terror" and has to deal with the moral consequences. Or what if instead of being a pawn, he becomes a liability? Russia invades Georgia, before any ally country has it's say, Supes charges in saving the day for the time being, but creating a political catastrophe?
I know a lot of people probably wouldn't appreciate a political superhero story, but imo, it would be the most interesting for Superman.
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I'd love a new hardcore Superman. I'm sick to death of a campy Lex Luthor. Give that tired character an F-ing rest. I'd love it be a Marvel DC crossover but I doubt that will happen for awhile. How about Supes and Batman? That could be awesome.
I'd love a new hardcore Superman. I'm sick to death of a campy Lex Luthor. Give that tired character an F-ing rest. I'd love it be a Marvel DC crossover but I doubt that will happen for awhile. How about Supes and Batman? That could be awesome.
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I do agree with the Origin idea of confining it to the credits, Incredible Hulk did that beautifully but the reboot has to be a Origin story, just maybe not the origin of how Kal-El came to Earth but the origin of how Clark Kent becomes Superman.
What I loved about Lex in S:TAS was that he was a businessman who always seemed to have his hands in every evil thing going on but not enough to convict of anything. It was a great arch rival to have to Superman because it was an evil he couldn't stop...yet. Some of the dialogue between Lex and Supes when he is floating above his office could easily match Batman/Joker dialogue in TDK. I'd love for Lex to be a constant villain but never the main one.
As for the villains, Superman has a great cast of Rogues its just that Hollywood seems to ignore them.
I do agree with the Origin idea of confining it to the credits, Incredible Hulk did that beautifully but the reboot has to be a Origin story, just maybe not the origin of how Kal-El came to Earth but the origin of how Clark Kent becomes Superman.
What I loved about Lex in S:TAS was that he was a businessman who always seemed to have his hands in every evil thing going on but not enough to convict of anything. It was a great arch rival to have to Superman because it was an evil he couldn't stop...yet. Some of the dialogue between Lex and Supes when he is floating above his office could easily match Batman/Joker dialogue in TDK. I'd love for Lex to be a constant villain but never the main one.
As for the villains, Superman has a great cast of Rogues its just that Hollywood seems to ignore them.
RJMacReady16
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I agree with your sentiments on Lex---but I don't think I'd pay a dime to see the rest of that.
I agree, although I do want to see a glimpse of Krypton and Kal-El being loaded into the pod. There was never any point in lingering on Krypton and heavily involving Jor-El. That was Donner again.
Toss out the gay fortress of solitude...keep Lex minimal...make Brainiac a disgusting alien hive-mind creature and tie Darkseid into it all for the imminent sequel(s).
And am I the only guy who thinks Wonder Woman should make her theatrical debut in a Supes film (preferably a sequel)? Talk about cinematic love-triangle of the century...
I agree with your sentiments on Lex---but I don't think I'd pay a dime to see the rest of that.
I agree, although I do want to see a glimpse of Krypton and Kal-El being loaded into the pod. There was never any point in lingering on Krypton and heavily involving Jor-El. That was Donner again.
Toss out the gay fortress of solitude...keep Lex minimal...make Brainiac a disgusting alien hive-mind creature and tie Darkseid into it all for the imminent sequel(s).
And am I the only guy who thinks Wonder Woman should make her theatrical debut in a Supes film (preferably a sequel)? Talk about cinematic love-triangle of the century...
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I just got done re-watching the original Donner film on Blu Ray. Clothing and fashion aside, DAMN does that film hold up well. And even after watching II, I just wanted to see Supes fly off into more (different) adventures after smiling to the camera. Certain "campy" or out dated elements aside (which ALL comic book films have, reguardless of era) Supes I and II go together so perfectly, that a talented filmmaking team wouldn't HAVE to worry about updating the "origin" for modern audiences.
Superman I isn't Golden Age, Silver Age, Modern Age, etc; It is simply classic Superman.
After the backstory of I and II, there are so many other action-packed and modern directions the character can go to, without gving a ^^^^ about what Clark did during his missing years in the fortress, or redoing how he first met Lois and Luthor for "hipper" audiences. The comic book franchise and canon is so vast, I'm sure they can pick a better film story than rebooting the origin. I LIKED SR because of how it tied into the first two films. It probbaly didn't go into the best possible new direction, but its heart was in the right place. "Ooooh, but young audiences have never seen those dusty, cheesy films before!" That is why they are readilly available on DVD.
Not EVERYBODY who paid to see TDK saw BATMAN BEGINS in theaters either. Sure, most did, but looking at how much TDK made, and comparing those numbers to BB's, I'm sure alot hadn't.
https://comics.ign.com/articles/902/902292p1.html
I completely agree with most of the points here. We CAN get an edgy action-packed Superman revamp, that could stand along side TDK, WITHOUT stepping on the those of what started it all. Let's see if Superman Returns 2.0 can do it right.
I just got done re-watching the original Donner film on Blu Ray. Clothing and fashion aside, DAMN does that film hold up well. And even after watching II, I just wanted to see Supes fly off into more (different) adventures after smiling to the camera. Certain "campy" or out dated elements aside (which ALL comic book films have, reguardless of era) Supes I and II go together so perfectly, that a talented filmmaking team wouldn't HAVE to worry about updating the "origin" for modern audiences.
Superman I isn't Golden Age, Silver Age, Modern Age, etc; It is simply classic Superman.
After the backstory of I and II, there are so many other action-packed and modern directions the character can go to, without gving a ^^^^ about what Clark did during his missing years in the fortress, or redoing how he first met Lois and Luthor for "hipper" audiences. The comic book franchise and canon is so vast, I'm sure they can pick a better film story than rebooting the origin. I LIKED SR because of how it tied into the first two films. It probbaly didn't go into the best possible new direction, but its heart was in the right place. "Ooooh, but young audiences have never seen those dusty, cheesy films before!" That is why they are readilly available on DVD.
Not EVERYBODY who paid to see TDK saw BATMAN BEGINS in theaters either. Sure, most did, but looking at how much TDK made, and comparing those numbers to BB's, I'm sure alot hadn't.
https://comics.ign.com/articles/902/902292p1.html
I completely agree with most of the points here. We CAN get an edgy action-packed Superman revamp, that could stand along side TDK, WITHOUT stepping on the those of what started it all. Let's see if Superman Returns 2.0 can do it right.
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