Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[jedijim3002]

I disagree. Superman acts not out of guilt (though I wouldn't be surprised if that is the route Nolan wants him to go--makes sense for Batman after all). He acts out of responsibility. Big difference. He feels guilt for not doing enough, but that's not the motivating force. Acting out of guilt is not a virtue. It's self-serving.

Yes. Sorry that's what I was trying to say but couldn't get the right words. You are right. He feels responsible for everyone that it is within his power to save. If he ignored those cries for help he would feel guilty. It's not because he would feel guilty that he takes action, its because he can take action to do something that he feels responsible to do it.

 

[RyanSD]

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Wish I could say I was blown away, but I wasn't. Some of the visuals look great, but I really don't have any interest in seeing another hour plus of young Clark Kent 'finding himself.' I really like the cast, and am somewhat interested in seeing how this Zod works in the film, but other than that, I haven't seen anything so far that makes me want to see this film.

I need to see more of the action side of things to get excited about this.

 

[Kamandi]

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I've always seen it as Superman is who he really is and he has always had to hide as a disguise in Clark ie put on the glasses. .... No hiding. Clark is the mask. Hence the glasses.

Batman is the disguise. He wears a mask. He truly is Bruce Wayne the kid who is scarred for life at loosing his parents and decides he needs to create a persona..... So he is Bruce Wayne doing what Bruce Wayne wishes he could do but only able to under a mask.

Disagree and disagree.

I've already written what I think of Clark. Clark is real. Superman and to some extent even Kal-El are not.

My main criticism of the Reeve films is they went with the 'Clark is the disguise' approach and it shows.

Batman is the real face. Bruce may not have died in crime alley, but he withered away in the years that followed. Maybe the one thing where I'll agree with the beginning of 'Rises' is without Batman Bruce doesn't know what to do with himself. There is no Bruce. There is no desire to live in Italy and sip wine. The happy face guests used to see at parties is the mask. The confused man we saw in Begins was Batman trying to find his way out.

 

[greygoose]

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Not a Superman fan but this is one of my most anticipated films of 2013 now.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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Disagree and disagree.

I've already written what I think of Clark. Clark is real. Superman and to some extent even Kal-El are not.

My main criticism of the Reeve films is they went with the 'Clark is the disguise' approach and it shows.

Batman is the real face. Bruce may not have died in crime alley, but he withered away in the years that followed. Maybe the one thing where I'll agree with the beginning of 'Rises' is without Batman Bruce doesn't know what to do with himself. There is no Bruce. There is no desire to live in Italy and sip wine. The happy face guests used to see at parties is the mask. The confused man we saw in Begins was Batman trying to find his way out.

I totally agree with this on both aspects.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

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Looks a'aight. But that Pa Kent quote is insanely inappropriate unless it is taken way out of context. ****ing Nolan. . .

i think it'll be better in the movie, Pa Kent is in uncharted territory, he wants to protect his kid most of all and doesn't want him risking himself even for a cause he knows is right.

Zach Snyder will make a great movie, unless Nolan gets in the way and ****s it up.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

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Clark can't be the disguise. He lived his entire life as Clark ... saving people, flying, running, doing whatever it is he does. Superman is the costume so the public doesn't know he's Clark Kent.

Opposite with Batman. Bruce Wayne died with his parents. All that was left was the rage that was Batman. Took him a while after that to find his identity, and an outlet for the rage ... but, from that moment, Bruce was dead and Batman was born. If you watch Bruce when he's not in public -- unmasked and in the cave with Alfred -- he's essentially just Batman without the mask. Batman is only real identity he has left.

Nolan's Batman is actually a bit of a departure from this, though. Nolan has Bruce Wayne as the real identity ... along with a fake Bruce that is out in public, and a demon in a mask. I suppose you could argue that the real Bruce died with his parents, and was reborn at the end of TDKR.

SnakeDoc

 

[karamazov80]

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Yeah, it seems like Nolan felt that way when he cast Bale, whose closest role to Wayne was Patrick Bateman--a psychopathic serial killer who was always putting on some face to deceive others.

 

[ironwez20]

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If Nolan had his way then superman would be some body builder from brazil who's weakness is celery or some **** like that lol.

 

[RyanSD]

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Clark can't be the disguise. He lived his entire life as Clark ... saving people, flying, running, doing whatever it is he does. Superman is the costume so the public doesn't know he's Clark Kent.

Opposite with Batman. Bruce Wayne died with his parents. All that was left was the rage that was Batman. Took him a while after that to find his identity, and an outlet for the rage ... but, from that moment, Bruce was dead and Batman was born. If you watch Bruce when he's not in public -- unmasked and in the cave with Alfred, he's essentially just Batman without the mask. Batman is only real identity he has left.

SnakeDoc

Yep, agree 100%.

Clark is who he is, Superman is what he can do.

Batman is who he is, Bruce is a mask he wears

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

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Clark can't be the disguise. He lived his entire life as Clark ... saving people, flying, running, doing whatever it is he does. Superman is the costume so the public doesn't know he's Clark Kent.

Opposite with Batman. Bruce Wayne died with his parents. All that was left was the rage that was Batman. Took him a while after that to find his identity, and an outlet for the rage ... but, from that moment, Bruce was dead and Batman was born. If you watch Bruce when he's not in public -- unmasked and in the cave with Alfred, he's essentially just Batman without the mask. Batman is only real identity he has left.

SnakeDoc

 

[ironwez20]

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Not a Superman fan but this is one of my most anticipated films of 2013 now.

Mine too !!!!!!!

 

[snoop101]

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i think it'll be better in the movie, Pa Kent is in uncharted territory, he wants to protect his kid most of all and doesn't want him risking himself even for a cause he knows is right.

Zach Snyder will make a great movie, unless Nolan gets in the way and ****s it up like with Batman.

Nolan has a way better track record than Snyder. I would say unless Snyder ****s it up with his unusual directing style and slo-mo fight scenes.

 

[intothevoid]

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Clark can't be the disguise. He lived his entire life as Clark ... saving people, flying, running, doing whatever it is he does. Superman is the costume so the public doesn't know he's Clark Kent.

Opposite with Batman. Bruce Wayne died with his parents. All that was left was the rage that was Batman. Took him a while after that to find his identity, and an outlet for the rage ... but, from that moment, Bruce was dead and Batman was born. If you watch Bruce when he's not in public -- unmasked and in the cave with Alfred, he's essentially just Batman without the mask. Batman is only real identity he has left.

SnakeDoc

Yupp and that's what the whole frozen in time theme in Rises is about. Bruce Wayne froze the moment his parents died.

They even symbolize this via the choir boy voice, the voice gets stuck on that final note for a good few minutes when they show the parents' murder scene.

Rises is about Bruce finally moving on from that tragedy and carrying on with his life.

Anyway that's the Nolan interpretation of Batman. The comic Batman - there is no Bruce Wayne - Wayne is a fascade. There is only Batman.

And the opposite with Superman. Superman is a tool for Clark Kent to do the good that he yearns to do.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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Batman is the disguise. He wears a mask. He truly is Bruce Wayne the kid who is scarred for life at loosing his parents and decides he needs to create a persona, a symbol to eradicate injustice from the streets of Gotham so that no one will have to suffer as he did. He also pretends not to be angry and not to want to do something about it as Bruce but that is why he does what he does. It is because Bruce suffered, Batman takes action. So he is Bruce Wayne doing what Bruce Wayne wishes he could do but only able to under a mask.

lol wut?

bruce wayne is the mask he puts on to the outside world, bruce would be batman 24/7 if he could get away with it

 

[karamazov80]

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Superman is a tool

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

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Of course Superman is gonna ask for money, it's right there being used for nothing in the holdall on the ground

He'd take it, and give it to charity unlike that greedy oil industry tycoon

 

[brucecamblzchin]

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Super-jerk more like

 

[karamazov80]

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Actually, I think Nolan's version of Pa Kent would approve of this one. Sometimes, you have to kill people/let them die to prove a point.

 

[brucecamblzchin]

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I'm a big Supes fan but the Homelander has forever tainted my thoughts about him now