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DocTroy
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Without searching through 526 other pages, I've had a lot of people complain about the dark tone that is evident in the trailers, photos and other media releases. Grace Randolph's YouTube channel mentions this a lot, and I usually find her entertaining, and it drives me crazy.
"Superman isn't dark"
"Nolan did a dark Batman so he is doing a darker Superman"
And other complaints.
Look at JMS' Superman: Earth One as a reference... CHARACTER work. Here is a guy so powerful and naturally gifted that he excels to the peak of anything he wants- science, sports, academia... anything he wants to do he is incredibly talented and successful in. He could have it all! Fame, fortune... the ability to tend to Martha's every need and have a life of rest, relaxation and luxury.
Or...
He follows Pa Kent's teachings... he follows his heart and honors both sets of parents who set forth an amazing example for him. However he forgoes the life of rich and fame, ease and luxury and instead trades it for solitude, pain, and a breaking sense of responsibility and duty.
What about that is difficult to understand? Snyder and Nolan are trying to make one of the most un-relatable characters (an all powerful alien that rivals most of human's perception of gods) in fact relatable.
BRAVO Mr. Snyder and Mr. Nolan.
Without searching through 526 other pages, I've had a lot of people complain about the dark tone that is evident in the trailers, photos and other media releases. Grace Randolph's YouTube channel mentions this a lot, and I usually find her entertaining, and it drives me crazy.
"Superman isn't dark"
"Nolan did a dark Batman so he is doing a darker Superman"
And other complaints.
Look at JMS' Superman: Earth One as a reference... CHARACTER work. Here is a guy so powerful and naturally gifted that he excels to the peak of anything he wants- science, sports, academia... anything he wants to do he is incredibly talented and successful in. He could have it all! Fame, fortune... the ability to tend to Martha's every need and have a life of rest, relaxation and luxury.
Or...
He follows Pa Kent's teachings... he follows his heart and honors both sets of parents who set forth an amazing example for him. However he forgoes the life of rich and fame, ease and luxury and instead trades it for solitude, pain, and a breaking sense of responsibility and duty.
What about that is difficult to understand? Snyder and Nolan are trying to make one of the most un-relatable characters (an all powerful alien that rivals most of human's perception of gods) in fact relatable.
BRAVO Mr. Snyder and Mr. Nolan.
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DocTroy
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Re: The Man of Steel
Snyder is directing under the supervision of Nolan, who was suppose to direct. I misspelt nothing, although you're spelling was terrific buttercup.
Snyder is directing under the supervision of Nolan, who was suppose to direct. I misspelt nothing, although you're spelling was terrific buttercup.
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If Snyder is under "supervision" it'd be by Jon Peters, Lloyd Phillips, Charles Roven, Christopher Nolan, Deborah Snyder and Emma Thomas.
Lotsa producers, but only one director, Snyder FTW !!!
If Snyder is under "supervision" it'd be by Jon Peters, Lloyd Phillips, Charles Roven, Christopher Nolan, Deborah Snyder and Emma Thomas.
Lotsa producers, but only one director, Snyder FTW !!!
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K07
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I'm gonna have to pull out an analogy for Nova to see if he won't give up this pointless and obviously lost arguement. Who is responsible for giving us the Indiana Jones movies?
I'm gonna have to pull out an analogy for Nova to see if he won't give up this pointless and obviously lost arguement. Who is responsible for giving us the Indiana Jones movies?
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What is your deal with Christopher Nolan? Without him there wouldn't even be a Man of Steel film. Nolan is overseeing the entire project, and is involved heavily. He co-wrote the story with Goyer and is producing the film. Zach Snyder was chosen to direct by Christopher Nolan himself. -FACT
If Snyder is under "supervision" it'd be by Jon Peters, Lloyd Phillips, Charles Roven, Christopher Nolan, Deborah Snyder and Emma Thomas.
Lotsa producers, but only one director, Snyder FTW !!!
from Google
What is your deal with Christopher Nolan? Without him there wouldn't even be a Man of Steel film. Nolan is overseeing the entire project, and is involved heavily. He co-wrote the story with Goyer and is producing the film. Zach Snyder was chosen to direct by Christopher Nolan himself. -FACT
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Except IMDB doens't list him as an "executive" producer like that article states, just plain old producer along with a slew of others.
from Google
Except IMDB doens't list him as an "executive" producer like that article states, just plain old producer along with a slew of others.
from Google
DocTroy
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Granted, Nolan has said it is Snyder's film... but with the box office disappointments of both Watchmen and Sucker Punch Warner Bros probably still has faith in Snyder's work (re: 300) however he might need someone to focus and fine tune it... and Nolan is clearly their golden boy as of late.
Granted, Nolan has said it is Snyder's film... but with the box office disappointments of both Watchmen and Sucker Punch Warner Bros probably still has faith in Snyder's work (re: 300) however he might need someone to focus and fine tune it... and Nolan is clearly their golden boy as of late.
DocTroy
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You were saying about IMDB? Second one from the top.
You were saying about IMDB? Second one from the top.
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People can ay it's Nolan film, Nolan's Genius, blah blah blah til the cows come home, but SNYDER is directing, GOYER and JOHNSTAD wrote the screenplay based on a story by Goyer and Nolan (it's unkown the level of contribution between them) and their are a bunch of other producers on the film as well as Nolan.
If producer is such a big massive role why doesn't anyone talk about the contributions of Lorne Orleans, Charles Roven, Emma Thomas for the Dark Knight Trilogy?
Nolan is credited with the success of the trilogy because he's the Director, why must people reduce Snyder's role as simply assisting Nolan on his Superman film when it's clearly hypocritical
Yeah, he's a Producer, one of four others, he's NOT an executive producer like that article claimed and NOT the Director
People can ay it's Nolan film, Nolan's Genius, blah blah blah til the cows come home, but SNYDER is directing, GOYER and JOHNSTAD wrote the screenplay based on a story by Goyer and Nolan (it's unkown the level of contribution between them) and their are a bunch of other producers on the film as well as Nolan.
If producer is such a big massive role why doesn't anyone talk about the contributions of Lorne Orleans, Charles Roven, Emma Thomas for the Dark Knight Trilogy?
Nolan is credited with the success of the trilogy because he's the Director, why must people reduce Snyder's role as simply assisting Nolan on his Superman film when it's clearly hypocritical
Yeah, he's a Producer, one of four others, he's NOT an executive producer like that article claimed and NOT the Director
DocTroy
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Thanks my friend. Everyone is complaining about "it isn't Superman." Well fellow nerds, the 60s-late 70s version of superheroes doesn't translate anymore.
One of the main reasons I love Captain America (especially the Ultimate version... here comes the bashers...) is because of the incredible depth of character he can be given. This is a man who is, for all intents and purposes, on an alien world. He is 60 some odd years into the future and all he knows, loved and cherished is dead and gone.
"They told me we won the war, but they didn't tell me what we lost."
What is proper to him is 1940's era... so a girl in a tank top could be absurdly offensive to this man... he has to adapt to knowing that his loved ones lived and died never knowing what happened to him... or the fact if he had survived he could have saved other people. The America HE knows, his apple-pie Brooklyn Dodgers (now in LA... bet that was a shock) baseball is gone.
So bring on the less action packed character development story. Will there be more action than Singer's Superman Returns? I'm sure there will be, but the characters are what I love, not their powers.
Thanks my friend. Everyone is complaining about "it isn't Superman." Well fellow nerds, the 60s-late 70s version of superheroes doesn't translate anymore.
One of the main reasons I love Captain America (especially the Ultimate version... here comes the bashers...) is because of the incredible depth of character he can be given. This is a man who is, for all intents and purposes, on an alien world. He is 60 some odd years into the future and all he knows, loved and cherished is dead and gone.
"They told me we won the war, but they didn't tell me what we lost."
What is proper to him is 1940's era... so a girl in a tank top could be absurdly offensive to this man... he has to adapt to knowing that his loved ones lived and died never knowing what happened to him... or the fact if he had survived he could have saved other people. The America HE knows, his apple-pie Brooklyn Dodgers (now in LA... bet that was a shock) baseball is gone.
So bring on the less action packed character development story. Will there be more action than Singer's Superman Returns? I'm sure there will be, but the characters are what I love, not their powers.
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What sucks is if the movie is great, no one is going to give Snyder any credit. ****ing Nolan.
What sucks is if the movie is great, no one is going to give Snyder any credit. ****ing Nolan.
DocTroy
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Do you know the actual definition of "hypocritical" because none of us are being hypocritical.
We're stating facts. There has been reports that WB likes Snyder but after what happened with Watchmen and Sucker Punch he needs his direction to be, well, directed. Nolan has always hit not just home runs, but grand slams for WB.
OF COURSE Nolan is going to toe the line and say it's Snyder's film- and it is. If it flops that way Nolan can lay the blame at Snyder's feet.
Then again we aren't on set, we aren't Nolan or Snyder so all we are doing is speculating at this point.
Do you know the actual definition of "hypocritical" because none of us are being hypocritical.
We're stating facts. There has been reports that WB likes Snyder but after what happened with Watchmen and Sucker Punch he needs his direction to be, well, directed. Nolan has always hit not just home runs, but grand slams for WB.
OF COURSE Nolan is going to toe the line and say it's Snyder's film- and it is. If it flops that way Nolan can lay the blame at Snyder's feet.
Then again we aren't on set, we aren't Nolan or Snyder so all we are doing is speculating at this point.
DocTroy
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Sadly this is likely to be true as well. Snyder directed but under the direction of Nolan... Nolan did it again.
I loved Watchmen. I think Snyder is talented (all the while ignoring Sucker Punch as nothing but eye candy) and I hope this launches him into a bigger success... but the failure will be Snyder and the success Nolan... I'm certain of that.
Sadly this is likely to be true as well. Snyder directed but under the direction of Nolan... Nolan did it again.
I loved Watchmen. I think Snyder is talented (all the while ignoring Sucker Punch as nothing but eye candy) and I hope this launches him into a bigger success... but the failure will be Snyder and the success Nolan... I'm certain of that.
K07
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You never answered my question about Indiana Jones, who is responsible for giving us Indiana Jones? Steven Speilberg and George Lucas. Lucas is given story credit and he produced it. Without Lucas, Indy wouldn't even exist. Same thing can be seen with the production of MoS. Nolan is fulfilling that same role as story writer and producer. And if you knew anything about films, producers play a very important role in movie making. Without them, movies wouldn't be made. Sometimes producers fund a movie and let the writer and director have at it. Other times, they lay a framework for the writer and director to follow. They're given creative control, yes. But it must fit the framework. I see MoS as happening this way. And I think Snyder is doing nothing to defy Nolan's vision of this thing. He wouldn't have signed onto a movie that was 95% talking and 5% fighting with a Superman that has no powers. This is Superman. Christopher Nolan's Superman. Deal with it.
As for that bolded claim...
https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5127276&postcount=4882
People can ay it's Nolan film, Nolan's Genius, blah blah blah til the cows come home, but SNYDER is directing, GOYER and JOHNSTAD wrote the screenplay based on a story by Goyer and Nolan (it's unkown the level of contribution between them) and their are a bunch of other producers on the film as well as Nolan.
If producer is such a big massive role why doesn't anyone talk about the contributions of Lorne Orleans, Charles Roven, Emma Thomas for the Dark Knight Trilogy?
Nolan is credited with the success of the trilogy because he's the Director, why must people reduce Snyder's role as simply assisting Nolan on his Superman film when it's clearly hypocritical
You never answered my question about Indiana Jones, who is responsible for giving us Indiana Jones? Steven Speilberg and George Lucas. Lucas is given story credit and he produced it. Without Lucas, Indy wouldn't even exist. Same thing can be seen with the production of MoS. Nolan is fulfilling that same role as story writer and producer. And if you knew anything about films, producers play a very important role in movie making. Without them, movies wouldn't be made. Sometimes producers fund a movie and let the writer and director have at it. Other times, they lay a framework for the writer and director to follow. They're given creative control, yes. But it must fit the framework. I see MoS as happening this way. And I think Snyder is doing nothing to defy Nolan's vision of this thing. He wouldn't have signed onto a movie that was 95% talking and 5% fighting with a Superman that has no powers. This is Superman. Christopher Nolan's Superman. Deal with it.
As for that bolded claim...
https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5127276&postcount=4882
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Re: The Man of Steel
I'm not speculating at all i'm looking at the official credits, it lists those involved and Goyer, Johnstad and especially Snyder are officially listed as having the important roles in making the film.
reports and rumours mean nothing, the official credits say this isn;t a Nolan film, it's a Snyder film, the man deserves credit for his work and doesn't deserve to be labelled an underlling of one of the four producers
This is Snyder's film, good or bad it's his film because he's the Director, credit or blame should go to him by all rights
Which is complete Bull**** for Snyder
I'm not speculating at all i'm looking at the official credits, it lists those involved and Goyer, Johnstad and especially Snyder are officially listed as having the important roles in making the film.
reports and rumours mean nothing, the official credits say this isn;t a Nolan film, it's a Snyder film, the man deserves credit for his work and doesn't deserve to be labelled an underlling of one of the four producers
CelticPredator said:
This is Snyder's film, good or bad it's his film because he's the Director, credit or blame should go to him by all rights
Which is complete Bull**** for Snyder
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