Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[intothevoid]

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BTW, you should know if it sucks I'm still blaming Goyer.

Good call

I'm not making commentary. I just literally thought that was a funny retort to void's post.

Also, he used "awesome" so it even sounded like Zack when I was reading it. He uses that word at least 7 times in every conversation.

Well at least 1 person got my joke

 

[K07]

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Because apparently I made up this slobberjob of a post

My post followed the complaints. I didn't start this discussion. Once Nolan comes up from one of his fans or one of his detractors, you're going to hear view points from both sides. It's interesting how if you hate hearing about it so much, you keep quoting me or generalizing all users who like Nolan as acting as one and the same. I'm sure there are bigger fans of Nolan on here than me. And there are also fans of Nolan who probably don't like him as much as me. We're not all one and the same so your constant labels are stupid and not based on fact, but rather your disgusting sick sense of humor and trolling.

This has strayed off topic far too long with wasting my time responding to your posts. I'm done arguing with you. You can end this now by posting some sick disgusting details you can't stop fantasizing about and talking about on here and everyone can move on.

 

[thenammagazine]

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My post followed the complaints. I didn't start this discussion. Once Nolan comes up from one of his fans or one of his detractors, you're going to hear view points from both sides. It's interesting how if you hate hearing about it so much, you keep quoting me or generalizing all users who like Nolan as acting as one and the same. I'm sure there are bigger fans of Nolan on here than me. And there are also fans of Nolan who probably don't like him as much as me. We're not all one and the same so your constant labels are stupid and not based on fact, but rather your disgusting sick sense of humor and trolling.

This has strayed off topic far too long with wasting my time responding to your posts. I'm done arguing with you. You can end this now by posting some sick disgusting details you can't stop fantasizing about and talking about on here and everyone can move on.

Until your next post.

 

[devilof76]

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All I want is to believe a man can be super.

Between the two of them, that's exactly what I'm expecting.

 

[DGTWoodward]

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As much as this has been an interesting experience reading all of this and the fact that I am actually beginning to 'get' Nam - I am starting to find him hysterically funny...in the good way...and I never thought I'd catch myself saying that! - there seems to be a point that has become a little buried in all the melee.

This film, or one much like it, would have been made regardless of whose name appears above or below banner. Simply because SUPERMAN is a huge money earner for Warners. We all had high hopes for SUPERMAN RETURNS. We thought that it was in safe hands with a very proven Bryan Singer, the lead looked very good (tall, handsome, strong jaw-line etc), it had Kevin Spacey in it etc...and even with all this and as much as I liked it, there was still plenty wrong with it.

For the record, my take on Nolan and his attachment to this SM film goes like this...I like what he did with BATMAN for the most part, though I thought that the 3rd film was fatally flawed by its patchy nature and just too long for the content. But on the whole, a good solid version of the character and I am glad to have them amongst my other BM Blurays.

Do I think that he is some kind of second coming, or even better than sliced bread? No.

Is he right for SM? We can only wait and see. Apart from having to get used to the look of the new suit...which is coming slowly...the trailer looks about 100 different shades of excellent, so far. But that is just a trailer. I hope it will be the best SM movie since 1978.

However, I get the feeling that, regardless of his actual input - whatever that truly is - if this films easily blows all else out of the water, it is Nolan that will reap all the credit and that Zack Snyder will be regarded as the 'also ran' of the picture, despite being at the sharp end of the production.

 

[jedijim3002]

As much as this has been an interesting experience reading all of this and the fact that I am actually beginning to 'get' Nam - I am starting to find him hysterically funny...in the good way...and I never thought I'd catch myself saying that! - there seems to be a point that has become a little buried in all the melee.

This film, or one much like it, would have been made regardless of whose name appears above or below banner. Simply because SUPERMAN is a huge money earner for Warners. We all had high hopes for SUPERMAN RETURNS. We thought that it was in safe hands with a very proven Bryan Singer, the lead looked very good (tall, handsome, strong jaw-line etc), it had Kevin Spacey in it etc...and even with all this and as much as I liked it, there was still plenty wrong with it.

For the record, my take on Nolan and his attachment to this SM film goes like this...I like what he did with BATMAN for the most part, though I thought that the 3rd film was fatally flawed by its patchy nature and just too long for the content. But on the whole, a good solid version of the character and I am glad to have them amongst my other BM Blurays.

Do I think that he is some kind of second coming, or even better than sliced bread? No.

Is he right for SM? We can only wait and see. Apart from having to get used to the look of the new suit...which is coming slowly...the trailer looks about 100 different shades of excellent, so far. But that is just a trailer. I hope it will be the best SM movie since 1978.

However, I get the feeling that, regardless of his actual input - whatever that truly is - if this films easily blows all else out of the water, it is Nolan that will reap all the credit and that Zack Snyder will be regarded as the 'also ran' of the picture, despite being at the sharp end of the production.

Yup. Exactly. Good post.

 

[Kuzeh]

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He did that with one movie. Just one. and only one.

Actually so far he has "presented":

Iron Monkey, Hero, Hostel and The Protector also...

 

[thenammagazine]

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Actually so far he has "presented":

Iron Monkey, Hero, Hostel and The Protector also...

Plus aren't there also a handful of Hong Kong imports he did that with? I also remember his name on the Street Fighter films as well.

 

[carbo-fation]

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Didn't he endorse Battle Royale, too? Don't quite remember. It's been forever since I've seen it.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Didn't he endorse Battle Royale, too? Don't quite remember. It's been forever since I've seen it.

There were the grindhouse flicks too, not the ones he made, but the oldschool exploitation ones like Switchblade Sisters, etc., that he was helping to promote with his Grindhouse film.

 

[jedijim3002]

Saw hobbit today with the MOS trailer. Awesome!

 

[Frank]

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I know this ain't much in the intergalactic debate on Nolan's comic book film contributions but...

I like them generally for the different spin it provides. They're cool and certainly better than the Schumacher schlockfest we were slapped with previously.

However...

There is a slight cultural divide that I don't see mentioned very often and the reason I still prefer 1989 Burton Bats. Batman and Superman are as quintessentially American as Doctor Who is English. Would the Brits dare allow an American to direct a Doctor Who movie let alone star as the Doctor with a near complete American cast?

Let's say it all together.

The Nolanverse, for all of it's subtlety and realism lacks the mood and characterization that gush out of every pore in the Burtonverse. Superhero movies are necessarily held back from being real dramas because of the absurd context of exaggerated superabilities, so it's important that they don't become humorless or sanctimonious which is ultimately the pit Nolan's trilogy finally fell into.

Hopefully Snyder will be able to steer clear of the producer's maudlin tendencies.

 

[intothevoid]

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Hopefully he won't

 

[Sachiel]

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Hopefully... um... stuff.

Hey it's a bird!

 

[Frank]

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Hopefully he won't

The rain on Bane falls mainly like Caine's tear-stained refrain of "Bruce Wayne you'll be slain"; right down the drain.

 

[jedijim3002]

The rain on Bane falls mainly like Caine's tear-stained refrain of "Bruce Wayne you'll be slain", down the drain.

Very nice. Well said. I may be in a minority here but I liked everything about the first Burton Batman movie except Keaton. All I kept seeing was Mr. Mom and Johnny Dangerously. I couldn't take him seriously outside of the bat suit. Everything else was great.

I guess Bale Bats was right, anyone could be batman but not anyone could be Bruce Wayne.

That being said I liked the gritty realism of the Dark Knight trilogy. They almost didn't even seem like a superhero movies but just a great set of movies.

I'm not sure why everyone is hating on Nolan. He's not my favorite director but he did give is 2 decent bat movies and 1 ok bat movie. That's more than can be said of Burton who is one of my favorite directors. Batman Returns was the beginning of a really bad downward spiral for his original creation. Each one worse than the last.

Back to MOS. I think this will be a decent Superman movie. One we can be proud of. I'm not sure how much influence or involvement Nolan will or has had in its creation, but I'm willing to bet that his involvement, however small, can only make it better. I have faith in Snyder to deliver a good movie.

It's almost akin to Indiana Jones. When I think of those movies I instantly think about Steven Spielberg not George Lucas as much even though he wrote the story. I attribute all IJ greatness with Steven not with George. Maybe its just me.

 

[devilof76]

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The Nolanverse, for all of it's subtlety and realism lacks the mood and characterization that gush out of every pore in the Burtonverse. Superhero movies are necessarily held back from being real dramas because of the absurd context of exaggerated superabilities, so it's important that they don't become humorless or sanctimonious which is ultimately the pit Nolan's trilogy finally fell into.

I think it's the complete opposite.

Because of the fantastical elements, if it doesn't take itself seriously, suspension of disbelief will be dead on arrival.

 

[intothevoid]

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Hit the nail on the head

 

[karamazov80]

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Well, I personally enjoyed the **** out of the Tick TV series.

 

[devilof76]

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Hit the nail on the head

The perfect example would be a Wonder Woman movie. She has it in her to be an amazing character, right up to the point where people start treating her as a joke. The onus to be convincing is much higher on a filmmaker than it is a comic artist. If it's not going to be more realistic than a comic book, there is no point in using the most realistic medium available.