Man of Steel (SPOILERS)

[IrishJedi]

Re: The Man of Steel

There is a reason why "A film by...." Or "A .... Film" is always attributed to the director. Scripts and (sometimes) editing aside, at the end of the day what people see onscreen is almost always the director's vision.

Yes, film is a collaborative medium. And, yes, the script and tons of other elements are crucial to telling a good story and making a good movie experience. But the buck stops with the director creatively. Take Spielberg, for example. He's written only a couple of him films, but the others are no less his movies. No matter who the writers or producers are they're all Spielberg films in a palpable sense.

That said, I still say that if people don't like this movie Zack (no "h", btw) will get all of the blame, but if it's a hit certain folks will definitely want to prop up Nolan's credit.

 

[intothevoid]

Re: The Man of Steel

Funny you're trolling this but someone who was actually there says to the contrary. And whether or not Nova brought it up, you're the one who posted a long sloppy BJ post about how "great" Nolan is.

Person who was there has confirmed Nolan guided the script, helped to identify a Director to hire, and hired Hans Zimmer.

These are the facts.

Anything anyone says beyond that is opinion.

 

[IrishJedi]

Re: The Man of Steel

Person who was there has confirmed Nolan guided the script, helped to identify a Director to hire, and hired Hans Zimmer.

These are the facts.

Anything anyone says beyond that is opinion.

Person who was there also pointed out that Nolan was barely on set, if at all.

Just sayin.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: The Man of Steel

Person who was there has confirmed Nolan guided the script, helped to identify a Director to hire, and hired Hans Zimmer.

These are the facts.

Anything anyone says beyond that is opinion.

Zack: "Hey Chris, I was thinking about Supes should fly up in the atmosphere, you know, an homage to Reeve. Whatcha think?"

Chris: "Sounds good to me." *shrugs*

Zack: "Cool."

Chris: "Hey Zack, don't forget my story credit." *wink/pistol-point*



Or are you gonna argue that that's not how Hollywood works?

 

[intothevoid]

Re: The Man of Steel

Person who was there also pointed out that Nolan was barely on set, if at all.

Just sayin.

Yupp. Acknowledged and I knew that from the fact that it was filming pretty much the same time period as TDKR production.

SO that is consistent with what i've said before. Snyder was hired to execute Goyer/Nolan's vision.

 

[IrishJedi]

Re: The Man of Steel

Yupp. Acknowledged and I knew that from the fact that it was filming pretty much the same time period as TDKR production.

SO that is consistent with what i've said before. Snyder was hired to execute Goyer/Nolan's vision.

He was hired to tell that story with his vision and his own creative input, yes.

 

[IrishJedi]

Re: The Man of Steel

BTW, you should know if it sucks I'm still blaming Goyer.

 

[intothevoid]

Re: The Man of Steel

Zack: "Hey Chris, I was thinking about Supes should fly up in the atmosphere, you know, an homage to Reeve. Whatcha think?"

Chris: "Sounds good to me." *shrugs*

Zack: "Cool."

Chris: "Hey Zack, don't forget my story credit." *winks*

Fixed:

Chris: 'Hi Zack. What do you think about Directing a Superman movie'

Zack: 'awesome!'

Chris: 'Here is the script Goyer's written up so far based on our story idea. Don't F it up'

Zack: 'awesome!'. *reads script*. 'the 3rd act kinda sucks'

Chris: 'Goyer's busy now, i'll ask Jonah to take a look'

Zack: 'awesome!' 'maybe Johnstad can take a look too'

Chris: 'Well it's yours now, don't f it up'

Zack: 'awesome!' ..'wait what do we do about the score?'

Chris: 'Here's Hans' number.' 'I'll make sure he returns your call'

Zack: 'awesome!'

Chris: 'k thanks bye'

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: The Man of Steel

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[IrishJedi]

Re: The Man of Steel

Oh how I wish I could spill the beans on that score part.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Re: The Man of Steel

Not sure how accurate this is but from IMDB trivia

Due to his success with the Batman franchise Christopher Nolan was brought on to help develop the reboot of Superman along with screenwriter David S. Goyer. This was merely as a creative consultant, it was never intended for Nolan to direct. When Zack Snyder was later brought on as director, Nolan chose to hand all creative control over to Snyder and focus on The Dark Knight Rises. According to Nolan's wife/producer Emma Thomas, "They [Nolan and Goyer] brought it to an appropriate screenplay and it's now Snyder's picture."

From what i understand of a Producers role is that he or she is responsible for hiring people for the production, from casting director, grips, camera operators, writers or director or Bagel hander-out-er, and those hired are the ones who handle the creative apsects.

Since Nolan and Goyer developed the story he does hold a part in the creative side, but not as much as the screenplay writer of director. That's the issue, people are placing Nolan above Snyder on the creative side when that's almost certaintly not the case

A Films creative side is widely known as a hierarchy of Creators > Directors > Writers > Producers

Man of Steel is no different, the producer just happens to have fanboys.

 

[intothevoid]

Re: The Man of Steel

Oh how I wish I could spill the beans on that score part.

You've already implied enough

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Re: The Man of Steel

There is a reason why "A film by...." Or "A .... Film" is always attributed to the director. Scripts and (sometimes) editing aside, at the end of the day what people see onscreen is almost always the director's vision.

Reminds me of "The *th film by Quentin Tarantino" as the tagline.

 

[K07]

Re: The Man of Steel

This argument is cyclical. I am just arguing Nolan is in fact involved. I don't want to call it Christopher Nolan's Man of Steel. I will continue to give him story credit the same way I give Lucas credit for ESB, RotJ, and Indy. That is what I meant by Christopher Nolan's Superman. This story of this character is credited to him and nothing anyone says about his minimal role on the set will change my mind on that. As a Nolan fan, obviously I will be curious about things he writes even if he is not directing. Conversely, I will be interested in things that he directs that he did not write ("Insomnia") although quite frankly neither of these particular projects excite me as much as something Nolan takes on all of the roles for like most of his work. Because at the end of the day, yes I agree, this is Zack Snyder's Man of Steel.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: The Man of Steel

Reminds me of "The *th film by Quentin Tarantino" as the tagline.

Good point. Clearly, every movie that has Quentin in the tagline was his baby. Like "Man with the Iron Fists." Where he was the, um, presenter.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1258972/fullcredits#cast

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Re: The Man of Steel

^ true, but that doesn't say "the *th film by Quentin Tarrantino" it says 'presents' which usually 'means has a hand in' while the former means he made the film.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: The Man of Steel

Well in that case it means just about nothing, Since QT apparently just put his name there to help promote it. But this is my running argument, that isn't really on either side of this Nolan debate--different movies will have different levels of involvement from directors, producers, and writers. It just depends. Same with movie titles. Sometimes it means a lot, sometimes it is a means to sell tickets. I don't think the jury will be out on Superman until after the movie has come and gone and the creative team decide to have frank discussions available to the public.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Re: The Man of Steel

Well in that case it means just about nothing, Since QT apparently just put his name there to help promote it. But this is my running argument, that isn't really on either side of this Nolan debate--different movies will have different levels of involvement from directors, producers, and writers. It just depends. Same with movie titles. Sometimes it means a lot, sometimes it is a means to sell tickets. I don't think the jury will be out on Superman until after the movie has come and gone and the creative team decide to have frank discussions available to the public.

Sin City did it perfectly, Millers involment was more than a consultant so Rodriguez shared Directing credits with him.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: The Man of Steel

Well, sometimes that's gonna happen, sometimes it won't.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: The Man of Steel

^ true, but that doesn't say "the *th film by Quentin Tarrantino" it says 'presents' which usually 'means has a hand in' while the former means he made the film.

But by looking at that, nowhere would you guess that film was directed by the Wu Tang dude.